City tap water?

Michael Huntherz said:

Are we not? Based on what? My local water company is pretty transparent about it, and I happen to know one of the people who does the water quality studies here. Not everything is a cover-up, but there are enough real ones we don't need comments like yours muddying the waters. People are already factually illiterate enough, I think.

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I never said anything about a "cover up" you have my post mixed with another. My statement was completely general and did not focus on any one specific topic i.e city water. I just leached off of kanti's comment to make a general statement. To say that the American government tells us (We The People) EVERYTHING is ridiculous. Now "conspiracy" is a WHOLE other subject brother. I am glad that your city tap water is good to drink, but not everyone's is. The city in which i live FAILED their quality study and was put on probation in the beginning of 2014. I lived there at the time and was never notified of the issue. I just happened to be passing my local water district (In 2015) and deiced to pay my bill then (Instead of paying over the internet with a card as i usually do and did at the time). And came across some very interesting literature in which stated the city had failed. I would not call it transparent but if you do the research you will get facts.

eightinthebox said:

I never said anything about a "cover up" you have my post mixed with another. My statement was completely general and did not focus on any one specific topic i.e city water. I just leached off of kanti's comment to make a general statement. To say that the American government tells us (We The People) EVERYTHING is ridiculous. Now "conspiracy" is a WHOLE other subject brother. I am glad that your city tap water is good to drink, but not everyone's is. The city in which i live FAILED their quality study and was put on probation in the beginning of 2014. I lived there at the time and was never notified of the issue. I just happened to be passing my local water district (In 2015) and deiced to pay my bill then (Instead of paying over the internet with a card as i usually do and did at the time). And came across some very interesting literature in which stated the city had failed. I would not call it transparent but if you do the research you will get facts.

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OK, that makes your intent more clear to me, sorry bruh.

No problems man. We are all in this together.

Do not use distilled except for clones/seedlings...

Get an RO, mine was all of $100 and installed in like 20mins...

When you have your RO setup, you will need to add calmag BACK IN, but you will be much happier without chlorine and chloramines in your res....

I just wasted a lot of energy making a 5 gallon bucket water filter...pool filter sand sandwiched by 1/8 - 1/16 quartz and 5 pounds of activated carbon....all of which was sitting in storage from my aquarium days. It turns out that all I needed was a $11 dollar 500 gram jar of pure ascorbic acid aka vitamin C from Amazon made in USA (stay away from all natural Chinese that is made from some kind of fermentation process). Being that a lot of water districts put there info online I looked up what my water situation is and since I have a 8.0 ph from all the limestone the C will not only instantly knock out the chloramines (chlorine + ammonia that is much more stable than just the chlorine) it will also move my ph down. The feds released a paper to the water treatment people to add 100 mg of C for every liter of water that is going to be released where wildlife is if it has chloramines.

P.S. don't buy your cheap ph and ppm meters from ebay....go ahead and spend 5-8 bucks more for the ones on Amazon. More and more of those west cost ebay sellers are using Mail Innovations that makes what is claimed to be a USPS first class mail turn into a 10 day trip just across 2 time zones.

Here are a couple moms I've been growing for 6 weeks. Ive been using tap since the start and my ppms are usually between 470 to 520 and my ph is usually a 8.6 I just use gh ph down and maxibloom with great results.

Anything over 200ppm is considered hard water out the tap. Why are people stressing about chlorine in the water? It's so minima and we even drink it. It won't harm the plants.

adower said:

Anything over 200ppm is considered hard water out the tap. Why are people stressing about chlorine in the water? It's so minima and we even drink it. It won't harm the plants.

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Mine love it at a whopping 478 ppm from the sink today

you don't need RO water, I've pulled 850 grams to a single 1K HPS with tap water that read 250PPM, with H&G Aqua Flakes, ebb and flow 4x4... Room conditions > PH > Nutrients IMO

I use tap water. I just let the water bubble in a 5 gallon bucket for a day or two before I mix any nutes into it. Real easy and affective

hotrodharley said:

If water is left to room air exposure the chlorine turns into chloramine. Any simple carbon filter removes both. Call your water department and ask them to mail you the last two test results on the water you get at the tap. Or to give you the URL to the posted results online.

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Ummm No. I've seen you been giving a fair amount of water advice and been completely wrong.

To the OP, don't sweat the chlorine. In the US, the EPA requires your municipality to send you an annual water report. Theres plenty of guidelines. And if you haven't seen one, call them up. Asking strange educated questions to a lab tech\scientist etc. makes their day. Anyways to make a long story boring, don't worry about it.

If you want to learn more about chlorine, and even running sterile hydroponics I made a couple long threads about it.

- Jiji

jijiandfarmgang said:

Ummm No. I've seen you been giving a fair amount of water advice and been completely wrong.

To the OP, don't sweat the chlorine. In the US, the EPA requires your municipality to send you an annual water report. Theres plenty of guidelines. And if you haven't seen one, call them up. Asking strange educated questions to a lab tech\scientist etc. makes their day. Anyways to make a long story boring, don't worry about it.

If you want to learn more about chlorine, and even running sterile hydroponics I made a couple long threads about it.

- Jiji

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http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/16842/will-fluoride-and-chlorine-dissipate-from-tap-water-left-to-sit-overnight
OK expert:

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One common recommendation for watering house plants with tap water is to allow the water to sit overnight before watering, so that the fluorine and chlorine that are commonly added to tap water (which can be harmful to certain plants) will dissipate. I've seen this advice repeated many times, but never an original source or an explanation of the process behind it. So, does this actually work? And if so, how?

Example of claim, for fluoride, found here:

Tap water is acceptable for watering most plants. Some plants are susceptible to fluoride injury from treated water. Many susceptible plants have long slender leaves such as dracaena and spider plant. Injury is characterized by brown spots along the margin or leaf tip. Fluoridated water should be allowed to sit at room temperature over night before using. Potting soils containing perlite can also cause fluoride injury."

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Chlorine does evaporate, so if exposed to air (e.g. in a bucket) in warm water (especially under UV light or sunlight) it will probably mostly dissipate overnight.

Both fluorine and chloramine will not similarly dissipate, if you want them removed you need to filter them out (e.g. with activated carbon) or distill the water.

See http://chemistry.about.com/b/2013/04/04/can-you-remove-fluoride-by-boiling-water.htm and http://www.netplaces.com/home-brewing/water-ninety-five-percent-of-your-beer/what-you-must-absolutely-know-about-water.htm"

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It doesn't turn into chloramine, it already has chloramine in it. Otherwise I am right and you are not. If it has to be that way.

But everybody PM jiji and save your timer with all water questions.Now, point out all the other times I'm wrong or STFU.

http://www.theweedblog.com/should-you-give-your-marijuana-plants-hard-or-soft-water/

"Chlorine in water
The irrigation water has substantial amounts of chlorine. Does this have a negative effect on the plants?

Solution: Chlorine can affect plants in many different ways. Firstly, it can kill some microorganisms that form a community with the roots in the rhizosphere of some media systems. This phenomenon can result in slower growth. Chlorine can also be the cause of some leaf tip burn, usually on hot, sunny days when the plant requires a lot of water.

Most gardeners still use water straight from the tap that has likely been treated with chlorine and maybe fluoride depending on your municipality. Despite the presence of these chemicals, plants thrive, even though they might grow better with non-chlorinated water. Most cities chlorinate their water supply with chloramines, which can’t be eradicated through boiling or simply allowing the water to stand. If you really want to get the chlorine out of your tap water, you can use activated carbon filters. Specialized UV systems are designed uniquely with dechlorination in mind. There are several chemical dechlorinators on the market for use in fish ponds and aquariums. These products are innocuous to fish and plants, but the author hasn’t used them and cannot say with any degree of certainty which product works best for marijuana gardens."

I have searched like hell for articles by jijiandfarmgang and, by golly, I can't find any. But please post your URLs.

Right here
https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-to-operate-a-sterile-hydroponic-system.849475/

I think the biggest reason tap water gets a bad rap is because some people have well water and think its the city tap.

I used city tap in some real congested cities and never had a problem.....I use RO now becuase im on a well by lots of farms. Not to say all well water is bad, its just not going to have the filtration normally going on that your municipal water is going to have. Most of the problems you are going to run into with a well water is unknown fluctuaitons in minerals, and if your running hydroponically, unkown mineral fluxes are a bad thing.

smegpot said:

I think the biggest reason tap water gets a bad rap is because some people have well water and think its the city tap.

I used city tap in some real congested cities and never had a problem.....I use RO now becuase im on a well by lots of farms. Not to say all well water is bad, its just not going to have the filtration normally going on that your municipal water is going to have. Most of the problems you are going to run into with a well water is unknown fluctuaitons in minerals, and if your running hydroponically, unkown mineral fluxes are a bad thing.

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The EC on the water from my tap is over 1.5. 750+ PPM. Please tell me how all city tap water is okay. A lot depends on the geographic region you live in and whether there is a bolson under it. All should get a report on their supplied water. And test it yourself at the tap you are drawing it from. Not all city tap water is equal. The bad rap is well-earned in many places.

hotrodharley said:

The EC on the water from my tap is over 1.5. 750+ PPM. Please tell me how all city tap water is okay. A lot depends on the geographic region you live in and whether there is a bolson under it. All should get a report on their supplied water. And test it yourself at the tap you are drawing it from. Not all city tap water is equal. The bad rap is well-earned in many places.

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If you have 750+ ppm comming from your tap then its most likely your home/ appartment/ neighborrhood plumbing thats the issue, not your city water. I would complain to your tenent manager or Home owners association to fix the issue and install better plumbing. You can find your local city tap info (for the US) at the EPA website: http://www3.epa.gov/

Not disagreeing, but the EPA has pretty strict standards concerning ppm and microbe count.

smegpot said:

If you have 750+ ppm comming from your tap then its most likely your home/ appartment/ neighborrhood plumbing thats the issue, not your city water. I would complain to your tenent manager or Home owners association to fix the issue and install better plumbing. You can find your local city tap info (for the US) at the EPA website: http://www3.epa.gov/

Not disagreeing, but the EPA has pretty strict standards concerning ppm and microbe count.

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No way. New PVC piping. Plus I took a sample from the hose bib in the water company yard. Coliforms are well within acceptable limits so no probs there. This water is so hard it leaves deposits on dishes BEFORE it is totally dried.

There are NO EPA standards for calcium, magnesium or any other non-toxic. However, while reading this link, note all the levels of shit that ARE acceptable and are NOT good! Heavy metals accumulate in brain tissue and liver tissue.

http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/#List