Choosing the right cob panel

CobKits

CobKits

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not really at all. a lot of people come to this site dont understand efficiency vs capital cost, at all, and its worth the time to explain it rather than to oversimplify and belittle them.

i mean i sell 325W light engines with heatsink and fan and driver for $200. is it worthwhile to compare that to your $600 275W fixture? not at all. its being run a lot harder. active vs passive. different class of chip, different level of assembly and finish, etc etc.

im saying there is no "1000W HPS" yardstick were all comparable to.
 
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Big smo

Big smo

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Greengenes707 said:
So again...you agree. Stop trying to be so hostile you are just making yourself look foolish arguing to argue.
Do you not think that if you are paying 2$/w or more for a "DIY kit" it shouldn't be a DIY kit...it should be a fully plug and play commercially viable option???
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I disagree with someone paying the prices you charge for a light that you just initiated. When they can be bought and built in any configuration for half the price. Based on attitude alone I wouldn't buy your lights at .50 cents a watt. Said with a smile and far from hostile.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Big smo said:
I disagree with someone paying the prices you charge for a light that you just initiated. When they can be bought and built in any configuration for half the price. Based on attitude alone I wouldn't buy your lights at .50 cents a watt. Said with a smile and far from hostile.
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I don't care what lights you buy and never brought any brand into it. Only you have to somehow try and derail the actual facts that I have presented. Fact is, as hard as it is for you to admit for your own personal reasons, you agree with me. $2-2.3/w+ for a DIY kit is ridiculous. You can get fully commercial panels using the same or better components in a fully warrantied and certified light for equal or less cost.
yes or no??

By your own logic no company on the market except for mars will be cheap enough for you as of right now. I'm so glad you finally learned to DIY. It must feel great for you. So your saying think that there is no use for commercial panels then? Everyone is to DIY and not count labor, time, certifications, housings/mounting, etc. Have you ever built a few hundred on a 5 week timeline? And warrantied them to work for years without issue and to be presentable like a finished product should be?? You realize that regulated medical and recreational cannabis is being grown on a huge scale in half of the country legally?? And that many people want something that is proven plug and play success?
So what exactly is your issue with commercial lights for $2/w or less?
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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$125 light meter from 12 yrs ago hu?
http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/Products.asp?mi=75641&itemnum=92528&redir=Y
Nothing you say is true. All you do is mislead readers to believe tour BS. No wonder nobody owned your lights on a forum you sponsored. Lol! No PLC results here dog! Maybe 1 guy w/ a 250 & yourself.

Oh, & your hypocrite shit. You were just selling $2+ a watt pre-fab DIY shit a few months ago. :roll:I called you out on that rip-off on your thread & you had it erased, remember? Joker you are!
Maybe your BS is why everyone's buying Amare!! Ha!
 
CobKits

CobKits

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well they may not be $125 but they are a bit dated. if youre comparing PAR from fixtures with different tech/spectra, esp with monos you should be using the mq-500 series. the mq-100/200 series is really not appropriate for accurate measurements with LEDs

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Big smo

Big smo

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Greengenes707 said:
I don't care what lights you buy and never brought any brand into it. Only you have to somehow try and derail the actual facts that I have presented. Fact is, as hard as it is for you to admit for your own personal reasons, you agree with me. $2-2.3/w+ for a DIY kit is ridiculous. You can get fully commercial panels using the same or better components in a fully warrantied and certified light for equal or less cost.
yes or no??

By your own logic no company on the market except for mars will be cheap enough for you as of right now. I'm so glad you finally learned to DIY. It must feel great for you. So your saying think that there is no use for commercial panels then? Everyone is to DIY and not count labor, time, certifications, housings/mounting, etc. Have you ever built a few hundred on a 5 week timeline? And warrantied them to work for years without issue and to be presentable like a finished product should be?? You realize that regulated medical and recreational cannabis is being grown on a huge scale in half of the country legally?? And that many people want something that is proven plug and play success?
So what exactly is your issue with commercial lights for $2/w or less?
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lol your telling this guy to buy a commercial light and not to DIY but he no intention of promoting yourself? If not I apologize. Yes 2.3 is high but 2 seem to be the standard. Pennies in the big picture. What I think allot of people overlook is the fact that driving up the wattage of a cob and claiming 2$ per watt are actually benefiting much more than it appears. Driving a cob to 75w and claiming 2$ per watt is much different than a 50w cob claiming 2$ per watt. That's what you have done to keep your numbers lower per watt. Costs more to operate but looks better. A 4 cob timber vs 2 100w cobs is not the same thing as you know. Same wattage with a higher profit.

I know your proud of yourself and you should be, but please don't discredit others without knowing the actual facts. I am indeed making lights, not erector sets but lights. They are selling like hot cakes at our local shop and was just minutes ago offered one of the biggest and best opportunities A passionate light builder could ever want. It's not relevant now but yes I do know what it is like to have to produce 10 lights and have them shipped by tomorrow afternoon. The same guy who just bought 6 and I don't want to let down.
 
Big smo

Big smo

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As for the guy who didn't know which way was up. A 52 par watt mars isn't that bad of a starting point. 130$ for a pile of junk .5gpw panel. Run it for a grow or 2 before dumping 799+ tax on a 450w 6 cob light not from any specific manufacturer.o_O That's supposed to be a wink

Maybe we should sell him on the highest priced light out. That one place sells the 8cob for 4$ per watt. If he cranked them up to 100w it would drop to 2$ per watt. Easy as pie.
 
CobKits

CobKits

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im not pickin on anybody :)

just sayin look at that response curve and think about if youre trying to measure fixtures with 430 and 660 monos with it. it wont give sensible results
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Big smo said:
lol your telling this guy to buy a commercial light and not to DIY but he no intention of promoting yourself? If not I apologize. Yes 2.3 is high but 2 seem to be the standard. Pennies in the big picture. What I think allot of people overlook is the fact that driving up the wattage of a cob and claiming 2$ per watt are actually benefiting much more than it appears. Driving a cob to 75w and claiming 2$ per watt is much different than a 50w cob claiming 2$ per watt. That's what you have done to keep your numbers lower per watt. Costs more to operate but looks better. A 4 cob timber vs 2 100w cobs is not the same thing as you know. Same wattage with a higher profit.

I know your proud of yourself and you should be, but please don't discredit others without knowing the actual facts. I am indeed making lights, not erector sets but lights. They are selling like hot cakes at our local shop and was just minutes ago offered one of the biggest and best opportunities A passionate light builder could ever want. It's not relevant now but yes I do know what it is like to have to produce 10 lights and have them shipped by tomorrow afternoon. The same guy who just bought 6 and I don't want to let down.
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I'm glad you realize that and just put your own foot in your mouth. You are literally arguing in a circle with yourself.
You should probably check the drivers paired in those kits. The only one close to 2$/w is 2100 which is higher(less efficient) than some commercial offerings, equal to others. As well as use 100mm sinks on the 50w compare to bigger/more efficient or active systems.
And also check who is running 75w/2100ma and who isn't...get your facts straight. And why you're at it... what the difference in wattage:efficiency:Tc before making claims.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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CobKits said:
well they may not be $125 but they are a bit dated. if youre comparing PAR from fixtures with different tech/spectra, esp with monos you should be using the mq-500 series. the mq-100/200 series is really not appropriate for accurate measurements with LEDs

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Now there's useful info worth checking into but I'm not sure you're 100% right or if you are it's prolly minute. I'll check into it. Thnx!
Greengenes707 said:
Sorry, $155 not $125
http://www.apogeeinstruments.com/sq-110-sun-calibration-quantum-sensor/
The sensor is the senor.
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And that's another lie.
Man, you pathological!
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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GG and Cobby are correct about your apogee sensor Hybrid.........it's outdated and inaccurate for "enhanced" cobs like amare
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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PSUAGRO. said:
GG and Cobby are correct about your apogee sensor Hybrid.........it's outdated and inaccurate for "enhanced" cobs like amare
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GG isn't right about shit. He's just a BS artist. Cobby Bobby makes a good point though & that is why an MQ-500 has just been ordered.
After all these efforts, Still no competition to do the side by side. Oh well, guess I should've bought a sphere for my LR. LOL!
At least everyone will be able to see the #'s on my lights.
Gotta get this done soon. I have some monsters begging to flower.
 
Greengenes707

Greengenes707

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Hybridway said:
GG isn't right about shit. He's just a BS artist. Cobby Bobby makes a good point though & that is why an MQ-500 has just been ordered.
After all these efforts, Still no competition to do the side by side. Oh well, guess I should've bought a sphere for my LR. LOL!
At least everyone will be able to see the #'s on my lights.
Gotta get this done soon. I have some monsters begging to flower.
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Please show me how and where I have put up any BS? You say bobby is correct after say exactly what I did. Interesting you can't admit I'm right. That shows how low you are in your ability to show the truth. Why should anyone trust anything you say. And again...how are you offering a test that hasn't been done?
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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Greengenes707 said:
Please show me how and where I have put up any BS? You say bobby is correct after say exactly what I did. Interesting you can't admit I'm right. That shows how low you are in your ability to show the truth. Why should anyone trust anything you say. And again...how are you offering a test that hasn't been done?
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All I do is speak & show the truth. That's my entire purpose being here on RIU.
I don't play quoting posts game. No time or interest. The readers can see it all for themselves. They are not as stupid as you treat them.
Years worth of hypocritical statements backed by a piss poor attitude is enough for me & 1000's of others to never buy your lights. Even if they had something over any other company (which they don't). You've spoiled the opportunity for your lights to be an option for most just by talking.
Bobby proposed a logical point whereas you continued to say things that weren't true. Like $125 shit meter. It's $400 & now thanks to Bobby it's $500. But that's a small price to pay for the most accurate readings I can get in my opp. For the community to see.
I'm trying to offer info just like I do w/ my journals & any post I write aside from responding to you. Which, even that is good info that warns potential led consumers to watch out for a schister.
Send a light for a comparison or just keep swimming!
I'm offering a test between the most talked about lights here. That hasn't been done before or as of recent that I'm aware.
 
DrBlaze

DrBlaze

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Hybridway said:
All I do is speak & show the truth. That's my entire purpose being here on RIU.
I don't play quoting posts game. No time or interest. The readers can see it all for themselves. They are not as stupid as you treat them.
Years worth of hypocritical statements backed by a piss poor attitude is enough for me & 1000's of others to never buy your lights. Even if they had something over any other company (which they don't). You've spoiled the opportunity for your lights to be an option for most just by talking.
Bobby proposed a logical point whereas you continued to say things that weren't true. Like $125 shit meter. It's $400 & now thanks to Bobby it's $500. But that's a small price to pay for the most accurate readings I can get in my opp. For the community to see.
I'm trying to offer info just like I do w/ my journals & any post I write aside from responding to you. Which, even that is good info that warns potential led consumers to watch out for a schister.
Send a light for a comparison or just keep swimming!
I'm offering a test between the most talked about lights here. That hasn't been done before or as of recent that I'm aware.
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