Child killer goes to healing lodge.

Rob Roy said:
When you say "tax it's citizens" you are providing an example of how you believe in two opposing things at once.

You seem distraught over the violence shown to an innocent child. That's commendable.

You seem okay with using violence against neutral innocent people in other instances though. That's contradictory, and not commendable.

If you like violence so much as a means to achieve your goals, why do you get mad at the child raping lady, for using the same means (initiatory violence) you turn a blind eye to when it is done on a larger scale by your taxing dictatorial overlords?

I am against initiatory violence, you are some of the time, but not other times. Can you explain your confusion or would you rather resort to platitudes as a poor substitute for a rational argument?
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I’ll answer your questions after you answer mine, I asked first.
 
Budley Doright said:
What I’m reading into this is you don’t want to get your hands dirty but are willing to let others take responsibility for something you otherwise agree with. Why don’t we film it as well and watch it as a new ultimate reality show, would that make you happy? I’m thinking the smelly tuna would add some real excitement. Would you leave it to the victims family to decide the fate of the convicted?
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That's not it, but nice try.

If the murderer had killed my child, I would feel justified in doing something. Just like if a person had robbed me, I would feel justified in stopping them, or recovering my possessions if the robbery was successful. I feel no compulsion to chase down a person who robbed you though, why would I ?

I don't really watch television, but if you want to, that's your business.

I think the victims family and close friends were part of the victimization and they have a much higher interest in seeking restitution, so I would not be opposed to them being involved, since obviously the dead child no longer has a say in how restitution should be done.
 
Rob Roy said:
That's not it, but nice try.

If the murderer had killed my child, I would feel justified in doing something. Just like if a person had robbed me, I would feel justified in stopping them, or recovering my possessions if the robbery was successful. I feel no compulsion to chase down a person who robbed you though, why would I ?

I don't really watch television, but if you want to, that's your business.

I think the victims family and close friends were part of the victimization and they have a much higher interest in seeking restitution, so I would not be opposed to them being involved, since obviously the dead child no longer has a say in how restitution should be done.
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But then that would leave the punishment open to the whims of the family, who may for some reason, allow the guilty to receive unbalanced punishment. Perhaps the family is racist and would only condemn a person of color to die but the white person would live, reeks of tribalism I think. Some would die and some would live, doesn’t seem very fair in your fair and utopian world. Same crime, same circumstances, but different outcomes for different people. How could that work in a fair and just world? We as a society are all victims when a crime like this happens, we are all affected in some way. Why shouldn’t we all have a say.
 
Budley Doright said:
But then that would leave the punishment open to the whims of the family, who may for some reason, allow the guilty to receive unbalanced punishment. Perhaps the family is racist and would only condemn a person of color to die but the white person would live, reeks of tribalism I think. Some would die and some would live, doesn’t seem very fair in your fair and utopian world. Same crime, same circumstances, but different outcomes for different people. How could that work in a fair and just world? We as a society are all victims when a crime like this happens, we are all affected in some way. Why shouldn’t we all have a say.
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So, you haven't responded to why you think initiatory violence is wrong in some instances, but should be embraced in other instances. I'm not surprised that you would avoid that conversation.

In a fair and just world, there wouldn't be the systemic inequalities you seem to advocate for.

Okay, here's an example for you. You get drunk, come to my house when I'm not home and take a crap on my expensive rug. You profusely apologize the next day and agree to make amends that we both agree to. Should other people intervene and go against what you and I have agreed to ? How were other people 500 miles away victimized by your drunken incontinence ?
 
Rob Roy said:
So, you haven't responded to why you think initiatory violence is wrong in some instances, but should be embraced in other instances. I'm not surprised that you would avoid that conversation.

In a fair and just world, there wouldn't be the systemic inequalities you seem to advocate for.

Okay, here's an example for you. You get drunk, come to my house when I'm not home and take a crap on my expensive rug. You profusely apologize the next day and agree to make amends that we both agree to. Should other people intervene and go against what you and I have agreed to ? How were other people 500 miles away victimized by your drunken incontinence ?
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I’ll get to your question once we discuss your answer lol. I’m shocked, well actually not, as you compare me taking a shit on your carpet to a little girl being raped and murdered and yet you fret about people not caring about your governments crimes against humanity ...... like I said, a fraud. And I doubt you have expensive carpet lol. As for the analogy of the carpet versus rape and murder, I wouldn’t give a “shit” about your carpet. As for the harm the murder has caused, well for one thing I would now be reluctant to let my little girl walk home from school. Your utopian world sounds great but again I ask would the punishment handed down by family be open to prejudice? And if so how do you propose to solve that? As for me condemning some violence and advocating it in some instances. Well, I assume your intelligent so surely you must understand the mean of context but by using the soiled carpet analogy versus a child getting raped multiple times I fear you do not. I’ll get back to you later btw. Got family coming soon lol.
 
Budley Doright said:
I’ll get to your question once we discuss your answer lol. I’m shocked, well actually not, as you compare me taking a shit on your carpet to a little girl being raped and murdered and yet you fret about people not caring about your governments crimes against humanity ...... like I said, a fraud. And I doubt you have expensive carpet lol. As for the analogy of the carpet versus rape and murder, I wouldn’t give a “shit” about your carpet. As for the harm the murder has caused, well for one thing I would now be reluctant to let my little girl walk home from school. Your utopian world sounds great but again I ask would the punishment handed down by family be open to prejudice? And if so how do you propose to solve that? As for me condemning some violence and advocating it in some instances. Well, I assume your intelligent so surely you must understand the mean of context but by using the soiled carpet analogy versus a child getting raped multiple times I fear you do not. I’ll get back to you later btw. Got family coming soon lol.
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Okay, you break into my house, take a shit on my tacky stained and worn carpet and I slip and fall because your crap is oily and viscous, with little bits of corn and other indiscernible pieces of semi digested food in it.

The fall causes me to hit my head and I go thru the rest of my life believing I'm a well endowed bigfoot with a penchant for raising philosophical questions in a political section of a pot forum. Should I ;

a) move to Somalia
b) pay you for causing my transcendence
c) rent a carpet cleaner, throw away my crap covered shoes ,sigh, and trim that pile of weed in the large container in the next room


Also, you never addressed your contradictory position on the use of initiatory violence. You know, that inconsistent belief you hold that it's okay for SOME people to initiate violence, but wrong for others to do it.
 
UncleBuck said:
Because of the racially biased manner in which the death penalty was disproportionately applied to people of color, we should ban the death penalty for non white people

The death penalty should still apply to whites until parity is reached

Whites will scream for an end to the death penalty we’ll before parity is ever reached

Prove me wrong, canna sylvan. You kkkynes wannabe little bitch
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You are the troll extrodinaire. She is white i think so we are in agreement. Death by hammer !!!
 
We don't have the death penalty in Canada, where that criminal resides. But if we did it should be death by hammer.

Or the death of 10000 staples
 
gwheels said:
We don't have the death penalty in Canada, where that criminal resides. But if we did it should be death by hammer.

Or the death of 10000 staples
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Yes, I've always thought that the death penalty was more about revenge than justice.

The main reason against capital punishment in the US is that our justice system is skewed hard against non-whites and against lower income people. Rich white people can kill somebody in front of witnesses and get off scot free. A good lawyer and connections make a large difference. Even among the poor, white people who are arrested for murder are more often charged with lesser crimes than black people arrested for the same crime. Until we clean up the racism and classism built into our justice system, capital punishment should remain a revenge fantasy.

Another injustice that really truly bothers me is how we accept rape-torture in our prison system. The jokes people have about prison rape only go to show how unenlightened people still are.
 
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Fogdog said:
Yes, I've always thought that the death penalty was more about revenge than justice.

The main reason against capital punishment in the US is that our justice system is skewed hard against non-whites and against lower income people. Rich white people can kill somebody in front of witnesses and get off scot free. A good lawyer and connections make a large difference. Even among the poor, white people who are arrested for murder are more often charged with lesser crimes than black people arrested for the same crime. Until we clean up the racism and classism built into our justice system, capital punishment should remain a revenge fantasy.

Another injustice that really truly bothers me is how we accept rape-torture in our prison system. The jokes people have about prison rape only go to show how unenlightened people still are.
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But if you became Lord High Executioner only whites would get it to keep their privledge in check. Just as long you made the list of whom not be missed.

 
Rob Roy said:
Okay, you break into my house, take a shit on my tacky stained and worn carpet and I slip and fall because your crap is oily and viscous, with little bits of corn and other indiscernible pieces of semi digested food in it.

The fall causes me to hit my head and I go thru the rest of my life believing I'm a well endowed bigfoot with a penchant for raising philosophical questions in a political section of a pot forum. Should I ;

a) move to Somalia
b) pay you for causing my transcendence
c) rent a carpet cleaner, throw away my crap covered shoes ,sigh, and trim that pile of weed in the large container in the next room


Also, you never addressed your contradictory position on the use of initiatory violence. You know, that inconsistent belief you hold that it's okay for SOME people to initiate violence, but wrong for others to do it.
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I thought as Sasquatch you'd use your transdimensional abilities to sneak undetected and kidnap him, until he worked off the debt from the psychologist you'll definitely need? Because truly enlightened beings realize the strong prey on the weak, blame them for all the world's woes, and force them to pay for all your needs.
 
Buddha2525 said:
I thought as Sasquatch you'd use your transdimensional abilities to sneak undetected and kidnap him, until he worked off the debt from the psychologist you'll definitely need? Because truly enlightened beings realize the strong prey on the weak, blame them for all the world's woes, and force them to pay for all your needs.
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Fogdog said:
Why do right wing racists get all mad and drive cars into crowds?
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As someday it may happen that a victim must be found, I got a little list of society's offenders whose only offense is being white, who would never be missed. May none of them be missed.
 
Buddha2525 said:
As someday it may happen that a victim must be found, I got a little list of society's offenders whose only offense is being white, who would never be missed. May none of them be missed.
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That's nice. But,

Why do right wing racists get all mad and drive cars into crowds?
 
UncleBuck said:
What is trolling about ending the racist-as-fuck death penalty?
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How is the death penalty racist, exactly?

I mean, far more whites are executed than any other race, which is as it should be as they represent the larger number of criminals. So how is it racist?
 
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