Cheapo-Aero Cloner

MajoR_TokE

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The cheapo-Aero cloner is a very simple device to build.
It will perform just as well as expensive aero cloners costing hundreds of dollars. It operates on the same principle as every other aero cloner on the market, which is that the stems of the cuttings are suspended in an air space being misted by a fine spray of tiny flying water droplets.

Some aero cloner variations...
Some aero cloners work by way of the water being sprayed thru fine mist sprayheads by a water pump, others like the Rainforest cloner work by a spinning rotor which flings small water specs at the stems. There are even cloners on the market which use ultrasonic humidifier fog being pumped thru a chamber holding the stems.

The cheapo-aero works on the "bubbling bucket" principle, where tiny water droplets are created by the action of the air bubbles bursting at the water surface, sending a mist of water flying thru the open air space above the waterline where the stems are located.

I named it "Cheapo-Aero" because it is a cheap and simple alternative to the more complicated water pumped thru sprayers type aero cloner tubs. Ok, lets do it...


The materials list: (clockwise from top left)

One - good quality dual outlet airpump. I recommend the whisper 20/60 or the pulsar four. both are @ $20.00

One - cheap pull up tripper type timer about @ $5.00, please dont try aero cloning without the timer, it is critical imho for fast rooting.

A short length of 1/2" rubber fuel line or vynil tubing.

Fishtank airline or (preferred) some soft flexible black vynil drip line for the air bubblers.

One - Rubbermaid roughneck 1 gallon tub with lid @ $1.00

Two - aquaculture "bubble curtain" 10" bubble wands. @ $3.50 each

Assembly tools: drill bit(s), sharp box cutter knife, drip line punch and coupler fittings (optional).

One - tube of Goop brand plumbers adhesive @ $4.00

One - Spray can of Plasti-Dip brand "Spray-On" black rubber coating @ $6.00

One - 7-1/2 watt fishbowl heater. Walmart @ $6.00
AF has great luck using the cheap heater. However, please note that the small heater has no thermostatic control, depending on your room temperature, it may need to be connected to a timer and monitored to be certain that you dont overheat the water. So, if you can find a fully submersible thermostatic controlled heater that will fit in the tub without getting in the way of the air bubbles, I highly recommend doing so. There are several on the market which will mount along the bottom of the tub, parallel to the bubble curtains, use 25 watts or smaller size. You can also use use a thermostat controlled heating mat or place the entire cloner tub in a larger tray of water with an aquarium heater if you have a submirsible unit which is too large to fit in your tub.

The bubble curtains...

The Aqua Tech brand "bubble curtain" or equivalent are the only bubble device I'd recommend for bubble cloning. They are the least restrictive to pump air thru, and because of their hollow tubular design they produce a very uniform bubble coverage thruout the entire length of the wand.





Cut the bubble curtains to fit the length of the tub.

Remove the end cap and cut the wand to length using a sharp box cutter or razor blade knife. Replace endcaps.






One wand or two ?

The cheapo works great with one wand or two. For this project lets use two wands. Note picture also shows the location of the little heater installed. Use a dab of goop on the heaters suction cup to hold it in place between the wands.









Glue in the wand holding clips

The suction cups provided with the bubble curtains are prone to failure, when the cups stop sticking the air wand floats to the surface and the bubbling action stops working, causing failed clones.

Pull the clips out of the suction cups and glue them in place using the Goop plumbers adhesive to the bottom of the tub. You should rough up the gluing surface by scratching it with a knife or coarse sandpaper for a better grip.

Allow the glue to dry for at least two days to be sure its fully cured.

The waterline

The rubbermaid one gallon tub has a ridge molded in about 2-1/2" from the top. This will be the waterline.

For a nice sanitary assembly, punch two dripline couplers thru about a 1/4" above the ridge for the airlines to exit the tub.




Spray on the plasti dip black rubber coating...

The tub needs to be coated to prevent light from penetrating the tub and slowing down the rooting process. Normal spray paint does not stick and is too light transparent. The plasti dip sticks to the rubbermaid very well and with two or three coats fairly thick and very light proof. Spray and dry in a very well ventilated area.

You can get away with a few layers of duct tape, or a layer of "anti-corrosion pipe wrapping tape". But, the Plasti-Dip I've found to be the best solution for light proofing and neatness.

Drill the lid for the clone support tubes

underside of lid to show hole pattern used













For small clones, the 1/4" o.d. x .170 i.d. flexible drip line works fine for support tubes, but rooted clones can be tricky to remove from small the lid holes. Note tape tabs to keep the smaller supports from falling thru the lid, and numbering to identify the clones.



Optional larger support tube holes (recommended).

Using the 1/2" tubing for support tubes makes it much easier to remove the rooted clones from the lid. Number the holes to identify the clones later on. With either size holes, the *support tubes are cut to a maximum length of 1/2" and split down one side to be able to remove the rooted clones.

*It is important to have the support tubes cut short (@ 1/2" max). The original plans had longer tubes which caused problems on some cuttings.

You're all done building your Cheapo-Aero cloner

Happy cloning
 

minnesotagreen

Active Member
major toke
i am going to make one of these 2 cloners.do you use either one of them & which one do you think is better? bubbler or mister:peace:
 

redeyeun

Active Member
:roll:
The cheapo-Aero cloner is a very simple device to build.
It will perform just as well as expensive aero cloners costing hundreds of dollars. It operates on the same principle as every other aero cloner on the market, which is that the stems of the cuttings are suspended in an air space being misted by a fine spray of tiny flying water droplets.

Happy cloning
Hey MT, I see no one has posted in this thread in some time (maybe I'm not supposed to?) but I must say that I built one of these little beauties exactly as you described and it is AWSOME! I have a small 2 plant scrog/bubblphonics so I do not need as many clones but sucess rate is better than 95% and do not have a clue. Cut from the bottoms of plants 3 weeks into flower, AN clonex and into the bubbles. Timer set to 15 minutes on 45 off.. timer also turnes on/off the standard heating pad 15/45. The whole tub and pump is inside a humidity dome. Sprayem once in a while 120w cfl hangin 2.5 feet above.

I can't believe it! Great thread...

But now I have a question...

As I said, I grow scrog and this one comin up is gonna be a seed start (DP-masterkush). I put those babies into a glass of water an hour ago, should be cracked before tomorrow at this time. I understand the hastle of taking out males in a seed start scrog but I'm workin on that.

Can I use your cloner to germ these seeds directly in Hydroton?? I've cut a new top to the one gallon tub to accept 2inch net pots, I figure Hydrotonto almost the top, drop the cracked baby in, softly and coverd with more Hydroton. 15 on 60-90 +/- off should keepem wet. Will it work? I want to eliminate the RW cube start to try and stablize ph fluctuations.

My first grow was in the early 90's and I only had one book, it was talking starting the seeds in broken vinyl records and glass beeds. This will be my 3rd since then.. I took a break!??

I don't want to waste the seeds or the time.

Thanks
 

Lord Dangly Bits

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I havbe a question about that cloner. Once the Clones have a good sized root zone, How do you pull it through that little bitty tube?
 

drock101

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he splits the tubes to unwrap them from the stems. Im wondering when its time to transplant do you pull the roots through the top or do you pull the plant down and through? Are there enough roots for this to be a problem in 7-14 days? Never cloned before but im getting ready to in about a week. would love any and all advice
 

MajoR_TokE

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:roll:

Hey MT, I see no one has posted in this thread in some time (maybe I'm not supposed to?) but I must say that I built one of these little beauties exactly as you described and it is AWSOME! I have a small 2 plant scrog/bubblphonics so I do not need as many clones but sucess rate is better than 95% and do not have a clue. Cut from the bottoms of plants 3 weeks into flower, AN clonex and into the bubbles. Timer set to 15 minutes on 45 off.. timer also turnes on/off the standard heating pad 15/45. The whole tub and pump is inside a humidity dome. Sprayem once in a while 120w cfl hangin 2.5 feet above.

I can't believe it! Great thread...

But now I have a question...

As I said, I grow scrog and this one comin up is gonna be a seed start (DP-masterkush). I put those babies into a glass of water an hour ago, should be cracked before tomorrow at this time. I understand the hastle of taking out males in a seed start scrog but I'm workin on that.

Can I use your cloner to germ these seeds directly in Hydroton?? I've cut a new top to the one gallon tub to accept 2inch net pots, I figure Hydrotonto almost the top, drop the cracked baby in, softly and coverd with more Hydroton. 15 on 60-90 +/- off should keepem wet. Will it work? I want to eliminate the RW cube start to try and stablize ph fluctuations.

My first grow was in the early 90's and I only had one book, it was talking starting the seeds in broken vinyl records and glass beeds. This will be my 3rd since then.. I took a break!??

I don't want to waste the seeds or the time.

Thanks
I glad you found this thread useful.
I think you will need to use the RW for starting the seeds, hydrorton is too course and won't hold the seed in place.
 

MajoR_TokE

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he splits the tubes to unwrap them from the stems. Im wondering when its time to transplant do you pull the roots through the top or do you pull the plant down and through? Are there enough roots for this to be a problem in 7-14 days? Never cloned before but im getting ready to in about a week. would love any and all advice
I remove the clones as soon as i see signs of rooting. I gently pull them out the top and then split the tubes and unwrap them from the stems like you said in the above quote. I have had a very good success rate using this cheapo cloner and you will too.
 

sc drifta

Active Member
yo do you add anything to the water?

what is the timer set to?

do you water or use a humidity dome?

what temperature is your water?

how much water to add?
 

greenbud1

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just a quick q..why do you need the timer..cant you just run the bubbler 24-7 for fastest rooting...peace..
 

blackdog

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:blsmoke:I've made one of these and it works great, the only change I made is I made mine a 12 clone with 1'' rockwool starter cubes. I cut 12 1" holes and trimmed the edges so they fit in the holes..don't trim all the way up,you want to have a rim so they don't fall through. The last thing I did was cut the bottoms off regular water bottles and set them on top of the clones..for humidity..leave the caps on and spray the inside of the bottles...it's kind of a hassle but I couldn't find a dome to fit so I used what I had..I keep them covered untill I see roots..with this system..7-10days....don't smash your clones..push them up inside so the bottle supports them..that's it.
 

Eep

Member
Hi all. So I made one of these aero cloners pretty much to spec. I couldnt find plasti-dip, so I just got the darkest tub & lid available. And instead of using the tubing, I am using neoprene disks and 2" holes in the lid to hold the clippings. I am having a heck of a time getting roots to sprout. I have the timer set with 15 mins on, then 30 minutes off. I have tried more than this, and less than this, but no dice either way. Can anybody give me some tips on how they got it to work? Maybe a good timer cycle? Any help is much appreciated.
 

paintsprayer71

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i have the exact same setup small 3 gal tub, i dont run a timer its bubbin 24/7. i keep my nutes at 1/4 strenght and the babys love it, i consider it another veg tub as well as a cloner. i use the fishtank heater if i have a tub of fresh cuts. once the roots get big i turn off the heater. ditch the timer.
 

Darkuser

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Hi all. So I made one of these aero cloners pretty much to spec. I couldnt find plasti-dip, so I just got the darkest tub & lid available. And instead of using the tubing, I am using neoprene disks and 2" holes in the lid to hold the clippings. I am having a heck of a time getting roots to sprout. I have the timer set with 15 mins on, then 30 minutes off. I have tried more than this, and less than this, but no dice either way. Can anybody give me some tips on how they got it to work? Maybe a good timer cycle? Any help is much appreciated.
I've tried a ton of different things and have things down pat now with roots showing in under a week and fat roots in 10 days.

-Water should be 80 degrees
-Bubbler should always be running
-Tips should be submerged
-I use Nutri+ START in the water. Has some nutes and it's apparently like Superthrive I've been told.
-PH between 5.5-6.0
-I'm using 60w tube Florescent about 8 inches away, with few leaves on the cutting and the leaves clipped in half. I noticed large leaves took longer to root, maybe trying to grow veg I think.
-One of the important things I've noticed is keeping the water clean with Hydrogen Peroxide. When I just left them, some white fungus type stuff started showing up on tips in a few days, and they wouldn't root.

Hope this helps.
 

Eep

Member
Darkuser-
Thanks a lot. I ran into the fungus problem myself, but didnt think to use H2O2 to keep the water clean. I also didnt submerge the tips. Will give it a try next time. When I leave the bubbler running 24/7, which is what I tried initially, I had not luck. Other forums I have read say that too much wet causes roots to take a long time to go, so I figured I would reduce the amount of wet by putting it on a timer. Will try 24/7 as well. Thanx much!

Also, Does anyone know a retailer that carries the plastidip or a similar product? I found a spray on rubber @ Walmart designed for weatherproofing the bottom of vehicles, but it stank to hell and never dried all the way.
 

Hash Lover

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Darkuser-
Thanks a lot. I ran into the fungus problem myself, but didnt think to use H2O2 to keep the water clean. I also didnt submerge the tips. Will give it a try next time. When I leave the bubbler running 24/7, which is what I tried initially, I had not luck. Other forums I have read say that too much wet causes roots to take a long time to go, so I figured I would reduce the amount of wet by putting it on a timer. Will try 24/7 as well. Thanx much!

Also, Does anyone know a retailer that carries the plastidip or a similar product? I found a spray on rubber @ Walmart designed for weatherproofing the bottom of vehicles, but it stank to hell and never dried all the way.
Try Walmart for 2" wide black electrical tape. I got some there and used it to light proof different containers. At 98 cents it's cheap also. I also like foil tape but it cost more and is harder to use. Just something you might want to check out.
 

Darkuser

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Darkuser-
Thanks a lot. I ran into the fungus problem myself, but didnt think to use H2O2 to keep the water clean. I also didnt submerge the tips. Will give it a try next time. When I leave the bubbler running 24/7, which is what I tried initially, I had not luck. Other forums I have read say that too much wet causes roots to take a long time to go, so I figured I would reduce the amount of wet by putting it on a timer. Will try 24/7 as well. Thanx much!

Also, Does anyone know a retailer that carries the plastidip or a similar product? I found a spray on rubber @ Walmart designed for weatherproofing the bottom of vehicles, but it stank to hell and never dried all the way.
A bubble cloner doesn't quite act like an aero cloner. An aero cloner has more force to the spray and keeps well oxygenated, clean water to the tips.

When not submerged and on a timer, I found a drop of water would sit on the tip and never exchange. It loses oxygen and becomes stagnant. I tried having the timer off for an hour, but the humidity inside would keep the drop on the tip for ages. 'So what's the point?', is my thinking.

The 20 cuttings I took last Friday are almost all showing root nubs now with some having decent roots already. Most should be ready for transplant in 10 days as usual, which is just about as good as any method of cloning you can use.
 
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