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Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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Hemlock said:
Now, before you go humming country songs about kicking ass, and accuse me of being a wimp maybe you should give a geography lesson to your Neocon buddies and show them where Saudi Arabia is, that's where 15 of the attackers were from.

I'm all for defending our country, but to kill innocent people under the pretext of bringing them freedom is horse shit.

(you have never been there so how would you know? You have never spoke to any of those people? Just because you take freedom for granted doesn't mean they do)

I got a kid in the marines if he dies in some stupid ass war for oil I ain't going to be happy, especially knowing it could
have been prevented. The United States was not attacked by Afghanistan or Iraq, Those countries were attacked by the United States. No false flag b.s. will change that.

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Sorry you felt the need to attack me..I know where Saudi and Iraq is I severed there during wartime. So through your way of thinking we should defend our shore only...

the 15 attackers were from sauidi yes but they trained in Iraq and afgan. Also why do you think your so smart an I'm so dumb? DID U SERVE?

God Bless your son, May God keep him safe. Please let him know that I for One really appricate his service
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Hemlock i thank you for your service.

I am not trying to attack you, but maybe you can help me understand this?

Is it true that when one goes into the military one of the first things they do is break you mentally and build you up they way they want to an extent? that is mind controll and i think the military has ingrained in you that the government is the best and never to question it.

dont get me wrong i love this country but i think its being controlled behind the scenes by some very powerful, very evil people.

I challenge you to look into the claims of the 9-11 truth people, and make a case for them and make a case against them and ask yourself what is more logical. (i dont agree with all of the claims but 90%+ of what i researched was true)

here is some links http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&ei=P8VpSsX_OZLGrQLB6_zJCA&q=terrorstorm&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&ei=X8VpSriwKpWerQLLmLTkBQ&q=911+the+road+to+tyranny&hl=en



if you dont want to do that i understand.
 
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Hemlock

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Dolce Vita said:
Hemlock i thank you for your service.

I am not trying to attack you, but maybe you can help me understand this?

Is it true that when one goes into the military one of the first things they do is break you mentally and build you up they way they want to an extent? that is mind controll and i think the military has ingrained in you that the government is the best and never to question it.
OK I have been asked this before, so here it goes. The USMC Boot camp is the toughest mentally and phyically to get thru In the world. However, there is no one trying to influence your opinion about the goverment. They want direct, willing obeydance to orders. For the sole reason if someone yells incoming get down, somebody doesn't stand up and say why do we have to get down...whats wrong. BOOM they are dead. The rest of us who got down are alive because we didn't question the order. Having said that the USMC instills in you the difference bwt right and wrong. If an officer came up to me and told me to shoot you I would tell him that I respectfully must disobey that order because I did not precieve the situation required deadly force. So yes to a certain degree they brain wash you. But they could give a shit if you are a Bush fan or an Obama fan. No one in the Military believes that washington is right and just all the time. Thats why we have the Joint Chiefs. Hey at the end of the day we don't move without orders from them. Now they get their order from the Pres. But, if they precieve it to be wrong, they won't do it. They will make their case to the Sec. Of Defence and let him go deal with the Pres.

dont get me wrong i love this country but i think its being controlled behind the scenes by some very powerful, very evil people.



I challenge you to look into the claims of the 9-11 truth people, and make a case for them and make a case against them and ask yourself what is more logical. (i dont agree with all of the claims but 90%+ of what i researched was true)

here is some links http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&ei=P8VpSsX_OZLGrQLB6_zJCA&q=terrorstorm&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&ei=X8VpSriwKpWerQLLmLTkBQ&q=911+the+road+to+tyranny&hl=en



if you dont want to do that i understand.
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Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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ok i agree with everything you just said.

I would like for you to have an informed opinion about 9-11 and the war(s), not to just deny our govt was involved cos you are a member of the USMC. and what i mean about that is i think you should really look into everything about 9-11 and then make up your mind. if your right and im just a nut who doesn't know what im talking about then simply looking into it further would do nothing but strengthen your opinion and give you information to combat people like me when we say things like it was an inside job cos of this this and this. i guess what im telling you is dont be a sheep. and i mean no dis-respect at all.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Actually that's not necessarily true.

1. War requires munitions, munitions are manufactured, implying jobs.
2. Some of these people used military enrollment to escape prison sentences (very few cases, I know)
3. Some of these people would have been unemployed

Now, while munitions do not benefit the economy, and represent mal-investment, that does not mean that they are a waste, because the firms that manufacture them pay their employees who then spend that money on other goods and services.

For the average person that uses the military to escape a prison sentence the savings are on the order of $16,000 a year.

Unemployment would result in government having to pay these people unemployment benefits. Or if they had gotten a job and then lost it, they would have had to have been paid benefits.

Besides, the cost of the war is already taken out of the economy in taxes.
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You could save those same jobs and use that same money by having our military building those schools and hospitals that I mentioned. The army corp of engineers http://www.usace.army.mil/Pages/Default.aspx would have been a great group to start that.

We could have even started out fighting, after we took over the country, stopped the fighting and immediately started to build the schools. That was what 6 years ago or so now, kids in (if our system was used) 6th grade would have been graduating now with a good education to help the country completely rebuild.

Regardless our American military men and women deserve better from our country.
 
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ilkhan

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9/11 truthers aren't bad people.
They don't hate this country.
They just don't trust the government.
That ain't a crime.
Indeed distrust of government is a hallmark of a good American, IMO.
A lot of sculduggery in 9/11 IMO.

But even if there was no 9/11 conspiracy.
I can't blame people for thinking there was.
Look up the gulf of Tonkin.
We have priors.
 
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clovergs99

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Thats really ignorant to think that 9/11 was an inside job. Osama Bin Laden has openly took responsability for the attacks. And we all know that most are saudi's who were trained in Afghanastan and iraq and probably some of those other places there also. These fools went and got study visa's and went to Flight school to learn how to fly planes and then hijacked Our planes and then the rest is forever in history. We need to all man up and just say that it was a well thought out plan that "KNOW ONE, and I mean KNOW ONE" saw coming. Theay were gonna bring those towers down by all means necessary. If you do not remember, back in the early late 80's or early 90's i can't remember the exact date, they tried to blow up the World Trade Center from underground in the parking garage but were unsuccessful. They knew that hitting that building would cause alot of deaths but also alot of economic touble for us due to the fact what companys were in that building and what that building meant to us.
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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Sorry you felt the need to attack me..I know where Saudi and Iraq is I severed there during wartime. So through your way of thinking we should defend our shore only...

the 15 attackers were from sauidi yes but they trained in Iraq and afgan. Also why do you think your so smart an I'm so dumb? DID U SERVE?

God Bless your son, May God keep him safe. Please let him know that I for One really appricate his service[/QUOTE]


I really hope you are not saying that that the wars in iraq and afghanastan are there because that's where the hijackers trained? By that logic ask youself where Osama was trained? kinda points back to home. Home has priors.
 
LT1RX7 Drifter

LT1RX7 Drifter

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911 is over great it was a sad day as far as the captured soldier i call bs look at the video he is conforming to there ways, clothes food shaved bald and growing a beard, the guy is a pos in my book i am retired army vet, i know what conforming is and have seen it first hand as for the soldiers family im sorry your son is a ball of shit, there is a report thats not being talked about how his vest and helmet, m16a2 and full ammo pouches were left at his post, not a single round fire you tell me how the taliban can sneek up on a army encampment and not be seen or heard from, the guys a traitor i say let him stay bet he hates life after a few years of not seeing his family and then being marked as a war criminal
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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clovergs99 said:
Thats really ignorant to think that 9/11 was an inside job. Osama Bin Laden has openly took responsability for the attacks. And we all know that most are saudi's who were trained in Afghanastan and iraq and probably some of those other places there also. These fools went and got study visa's and went to Flight school to learn how to fly planes and then hijacked Our planes and then the rest is forever in history. We need to all man up and just say that it was a well thought out plan that "KNOW ONE, and I mean KNOW ONE" saw coming. Theay were gonna bring those towers down by all means necessary. If you do not remember, back in the early late 80's or early 90's i can't remember the exact date, they tried to blow up the World Trade Center from underground in the parking garage but were unsuccessful. They knew that hitting that building would cause alot of deaths but also alot of economic touble for us due to the fact what companys were in that building and what that building meant to us.
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Do a little more research please!! No one knew Hahaha!!! research man people knew. lots of memo's briefings...research. Look at the most wanted lists Bin laden isn't even on em for 911... they don't even have enough evidence.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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clovergs99 said:
Thats really ignorant to think that 9/11 was an inside job. Osama Bin Laden has openly took responsability for the attacks. And we all know that most are saudi's who were trained in Afghanastan and iraq and probably some of those other places there also. These fools went and got study visa's and went to Flight school to learn how to fly planes and then hijacked Our planes and then the rest is forever in history. We need to all man up and just say that it was a well thought out plan that "KNOW ONE, and I mean KNOW ONE" saw coming. Theay were gonna bring those towers down by all means necessary. If you do not remember, back in the early late 80's or early 90's i can't remember the exact date, they tried to blow up the World Trade Center from underground in the parking garage but were unsuccessful. They knew that hitting that building would cause alot of deaths but also alot of economic touble for us due to the fact what companys were in that building and what that building meant to us.
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you are the ignorant one. how is it possible that in a fire that was hot enough to melt steel and all hijackers id's were recovered and 100% readable. and one of the alleged hijackers was alive and well years after the attack. you need to do your fucking research bud. the probability of everything happening the way the offical repors said is 1 in 1x10^26. thats a 1 followed by 27 zeros. i am an architect and the towers were designed to withstand at least 2 hits from commerical jets going top speed. and how do you explane all the thermite that has no buisness being there at all. why did dick cheney order norad to stand down when they knew it wasnt a test? why on the morning of 9/11 was the military running a test that planes would hit the world trade centers, and then it actually happens? why was flight 93 in fact shot down when a general disobeyed orders from dick Cheney?

you need to do your god damn research before you make comments like that! people like you really annoy me sometimes.
 
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what... huh?

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Dolce Vita said:
you are the ignorant one. how is it possible that in a fire that was hot enough to melt steel and all hijackers id's were recovered and 100% readable.
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They weren't. Only a couple of documents were found, and were ejected from the building on impact.

Dolce Vita said:
and one of the alleged hijackers was alive and well years after the attack.
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lol. Yes because the instrument responsible for this would overlook a detail like that. That makes perfect sense. I have seen sites claiming they were all alive. You are spouting contrived rhetoric. They are all dead.

Dolce Vita said:
you need to do your fucking research bud. the probability of everything happening the way the offical repors said is 1 in 1x10^26. thats a 1 followed by 27 zeros.
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You sure it isn't 6.022 141 79(30) × 10^23?

Dolce Vita said:
i am an architect
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No you aren't.

Dolce Vita said:
and the towers were designed to withstand at least 2 hits from commerical jets going top speed.
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1 much smaller commercial jet, not at full speed.

Dolce Vita said:
and how do you explane all the thermite that has no buisness being there at all.
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It is aluminum and rust. It is everywhere. How do you explain the thermite not igniting in all the fire? Or the buildings falling from the top down?

Dolce Vita said:
why did dick cheney order norad to stand down when they knew it wasnt a test?
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He didn't.

Dolce Vita said:
why on the morning of 9/11 was the military running a test that planes would hit the world trade centers, and then it actually happens?
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They weren't.

Dolce Vita said:
why was flight 93 in fact shot down when a general disobeyed orders from dick Cheney?
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It wasn't.

Dolce Vita said:
you need to do your god damn research before you make comments like that! people like you really annoy me sometimes.
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People like you, who posit theory as fact annoy me.
 
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clovergs99

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Dolce Vita said:
you are the ignorant one. how is it possible that in a fire that was hot enough to melt steel and all hijackers id's were recovered and 100% readable. and one of the alleged hijackers was alive and well years after the attack. you need to do your fucking research bud. the probability of everything happening the way the offical repors said is 1 in 1x10^26. thats a 1 followed by 27 zeros. i am an architect and the towers were designed to withstand at least 2 hits from commerical jets going top speed. and how do you explane all the thermite that has no buisness being there at all. why did dick cheney order norad to stand down when they knew it wasnt a test? why on the morning of 9/11 was the military running a test that planes would hit the world trade centers, and then it actually happens? why was flight 93 in fact shot down when a general disobeyed orders from dick Cheney?

you need to do your god damn research before you make comments like that! people like you really annoy me sometimes.
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People like you ANNOY me. Maybe you need to do more research. I don't remember seeing were they found there ID's in the rubble but i do know they got them from there passports combined with there bording pass. And i'm sorry to tell you but there were NO survivors on any of the planes that crashed into those buildings.:confused: Probabbility my ASSkiss-ass. Probabiltiy's get broken all the damn time. You can't do a test that test a 100 story tower getting smashed by 2 Airplanes going about 400-600 MPH. U said nothing that proved nothing:spew:
 
mexiblunt

mexiblunt

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I posted the link to the 991 thread so this one can stay on topic. But whatever... I understand that the more people question the events of 911 the more other topics the issue will involve.
 
Dolce Vita

Dolce Vita

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wow i guess you guys are right. i guess everything that happened was the 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 chance.

pass the kool-aid.
 
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Hemlock

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mexiblunt said:
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Sorry you felt the need to attack me..I know where Saudi and Iraq is I severed there during wartime. So through your way of thinking we should defend our shore only...

the 15 attackers were from sauidi yes but they trained in Iraq and afgan. Also why do you think your so smart an I'm so dumb? DID U SERVE?

God Bless your son, May God keep him safe. Please let him know that I for One really appricate his service
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I really hope you are not saying that that the wars in iraq and afghanastan are there because that's where the hijackers trained? By that logic ask youself where Osama was trained? kinda points back to home. Home has priors.[/QUOTE]

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Osama was saudi who dad was a huge const guy in Saudi, Osama's views got him kicked out of the country, he then traveled to yeman and then to Afganastan, set up training facilities in Afgan and Iraq. I know the hijackers learned how to fly here but that was but a small part of their training.

DV
I repect your opinion and I'm glad we live in a country were we can openly discuss it. A lot of folks take that for granted.


This is all I will say about the Gulf Of tonklin.
The US Navy recovered a torpedo from the water that had been fired at the USS MADDOX...The following days we were wrong we were not fired at. However, the first attack was real and a torpedo was recovered. Now to me thats enough to send some chilli peppers up NV's ass. Johnson decided to wait and by doing so muddied the waters of perception. Hinse, the Fog of War
 
ChChoda

ChChoda

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what... huh? said:
It is called war fatigue, and it is usually reserved for those fighting... but you have it.

When the troops want to come home, I want them to. When they say "let me do my job." I do. I do not herald their cause until they ask for it. I sure as hell wouldn't want them fighting our fight unless we asked for it.

FFS... don't MAKE it another Vietnam, and it wont be. Give them the opportunity to succeed.
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Good post.

Freedom. Prosperity. Security. These things cost many lives, always have, and the men and woman who gave theirs for the cause knew this. They did it for the living. They did it for us. We should cherish their efforts, and support their causes, because it is ultimately our own freedom, and the eventual freedom of billions of individuals, for which they fight. If they lose, we all lose. Freedom.
 
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