Capitalist Democracies, Communist Democracies & Socialist Democracies Are All Equally Deplorable

Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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The article gets to the heart of the problem rather well. What's not addressed is these nations, including ours, are pretty dressed up versions of syndicalism mixed with statism, a bad combination, using the methods of what's supposed to be a temporary transition.

The transition will never take place until corporations are dismantled, and the workers are given true power.

The future is, Libertarian Socialism:"the means of production would be owned in common by the society, but it is libertarian because (1) means of production are not owned or controlled by the state, and (2) workers have the collective power of management of the places where they work. Workers are not subject to state bureaucrats."

But when state and corporations are the real "democracy" what you have is this half truth:

"Today we live in a cruel and tyrannical capitalist economy. The time for irreversibly abolishing this cruel system is long overdue.

Every nation on Earth today is capitalist including those that the media falsely label communist. A capitalist is one who loves capital, which is the centralization of wealth or money."

Even though I read Medium often, they too are a capitalist propaganda engine. What they fail to mention is capitalists can and do simulate communism through what's technically plutocracy using state/corporate controlled media to influence the population to accept their domination.

The result is what Noam Chomsky calls friendly economic fasism. If done improperly libertarian socalist syndicalism is still crony capitalism and a farse with a new fancy name, fooling us we have true liberty.

While I agree for the most part with Bernie, but because he advocates for the state being in control, rather than the people themselves, we risk the very same outcome, if they happen to lie.

If we rush into socialism through the state, without first making sure the people haven't given up their power, then we end up with what you fear Trump will do, because all politicians lie.

Tread carefully.

You can read more as explained in this article just printed today.

https://medium.com/@alicheaib/are-both-capitalist-democracies-and-communist-democracies-equally-deplorable-c5a3b689abfe

This article explains what needs to be done to fix our abuse.

https://thedialogues.xyz/what-is-anarcho-syndicalism-df374e71224c
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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abandonconflict said:
Collective TL;DR.

Please get a job.
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I'm living the life I've always wanted. I like my non-job job very much. But thank you for the concern.

Not everyone has life as lucky as I do, which happened by luck. Others should have the freedom to enjoy what I do. Capitalism makes that impossible.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Unclebaldrick said:
I second the motion. This guy is so easy not to read.
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Then what's your solution? Like the article says something needs to be done which makes progress irreversible.

What happens once social security can no longer get "afforded" but we still continue to drone other nations to democracy we ourselves don't even have?

Those drones and bombs are uber expensive if you didn't know. The 40 drones they tell us about cost $248 million to maintain. If each went on a fully armed mission that's another $70 million for a grand total of $318 million.

With that much spare change our homeless issue could go away completely. Well, at least give every single person a coffee and donut every day. That's something and better than murdering fake terrorists.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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Buddha2525 said:
The article gets to the heart of the problem rather well. What's not addressed is these nations, including ours, are pretty dressed up versions of syndicalism mixed with statism, a bad combination, using the methods of what's supposed to be a temporary transition.

The transition will never take place until corporations are dismantled, and the workers are given true power.

The future is, Libertarian Socialism:"the means of production would be owned in common by the society, but it is libertarian because (1) means of production are not owned or controlled by the state, and (2) workers have the collective power of management of the places where they work. Workers are not subject to state bureaucrats."

But when state and corporations are the real "democracy" what you have is this half truth:

"Today we live in a cruel and tyrannical capitalist economy. The time for irreversibly abolishing this cruel system is long overdue.

Every nation on Earth today is capitalist including those that the media falsely label communist. A capitalist is one who loves capital, which is the centralization of wealth or money."

Even though I read Medium often, they too are a capitalist propaganda engine. What they fail to mention is capitalists can and do simulate communism through what's technically plutocracy using state/corporate controlled media to influence the population to accept their domination.

The result is what Noam Chomsky calls friendly economic fasism. If done improperly libertarian socalist syndicalism is still crony capitalism and a farse with a new fancy name, fooling us we have true liberty.

While I agree for the most part with Bernie, but because he advocates for the state being in control, rather than the people themselves, we risk the very same outcome, if they happen to lie.

If we rush into socialism through the state, without first making sure the people haven't given up their power, then we end up with what you fear Trump will do, because all politicians lie.

Tread carefully.

You can read more as explained in this article just printed today.

https://medium.com/@alicheaib/are-both-capitalist-democracies-and-communist-democracies-equally-deplorable-c5a3b689abfe

This article explains what needs to be done to fix our abuse.

https://thedialogues.xyz/what-is-anarcho-syndicalism-df374e71224c
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So, Democracy is the problem? he he he

“Iraq was better than expected,” said Jeff Tillery, analyst (who does research for Halliburton) at Pickering Energy Partners Inc. “Overall, there is nothing really to question or be skeptical about. I think the results are very good.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/whats-bad-for-america-is-_b_32290.html

China's market is the best thing that happened to Halliburton and Russia.
Trump is just driving up Oil consumption and stifling Solar Development.

Where is Tillerson these days and why didn't he fight for the Oil Industry's market share in Africa?

Corporations ARE the people and they honor and support Communist Democracies.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Buddha2525 said:
The article gets to the heart of the problem rather well. What's not addressed is these nations, including ours, are pretty dressed up versions of syndicalism mixed with statism, a bad combination, using the methods of what's supposed to be a temporary transition.

The transition will never take place until corporations are dismantled, and the workers are given true power.

The future is, Libertarian Socialism:"the means of production would be owned in common by the society, but it is libertarian because (1) means of production are not owned or controlled by the state, and (2) workers have the collective power of management of the places where they work. Workers are not subject to state bureaucrats."

But when state and corporations are the real "democracy" what you have is this half truth:

"Today we live in a cruel and tyrannical capitalist economy. The time for irreversibly abolishing this cruel system is long overdue.

Every nation on Earth today is capitalist including those that the media falsely label communist. A capitalist is one who loves capital, which is the centralization of wealth or money."

Even though I read Medium often, they too are a capitalist propaganda engine. What they fail to mention is capitalists can and do simulate communism through what's technically plutocracy using state/corporate controlled media to influence the population to accept their domination.

The result is what Noam Chomsky calls friendly economic fasism. If done improperly libertarian socalist syndicalism is still crony capitalism and a farse with a new fancy name, fooling us we have true liberty.

While I agree for the most part with Bernie, but because he advocates for the state being in control, rather than the people themselves, we risk the very same outcome, if they happen to lie.

If we rush into socialism through the state, without first making sure the people haven't given up their power, then we end up with what you fear Trump will do, because all politicians lie.

Tread carefully.

You can read more as explained in this article just printed today.

https://medium.com/@alicheaib/are-both-capitalist-democracies-and-communist-democracies-equally-deplorable-c5a3b689abfe

This article explains what needs to be done to fix our abuse.

https://thedialogues.xyz/what-is-anarcho-syndicalism-df374e71224c
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Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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Grandpapy said:
So, Democracy is the problem? he he he

“Iraq was better than expected,” said Jeff Tillery, analyst (who does research for Halliburton) at Pickering Energy Partners Inc. “Overall, there is nothing really to question or be skeptical about. I think the results are very good.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-young/whats-bad-for-america-is-_b_32290.html

China's market is the best thing that happened to Halliburton and Russia.
Trump is just driving up Oil consumption and stifling Solar Development.

Where is Tillerson these days and why didn't he fight for the Oil Industry's market share in Africa?

Corporations ARE the people and they honor and support Communist Democracies.
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Any time the state is involved with a decision process it acts as the middle man, mafia boss, or dictatorship, making it so the people aren't free. When wealth is in the hands of only a few, that's called plutocratic tyranny.

Unless all citizens are involved in all aspects of the decision process, that process it's corrupt. Politicians don't have magical powers, don't need special degrees, and the only requirement is a bought and paid for beauty pageant.

Therefore since the only requirement is a natural citizen, aged over 36, and resided in the US for 14 years, everyone meeting those requirements should have the same say.

Why should nepotism, money, and the ability to bullshit make the president better than you or I? You think the framers had in mind the president only became president because he has lots of money and a reality show saying you're fired?

I'm pretty sure if everyone who signed the constitution came to the future to witness Trump, I'm pretty sure they'd had added some sort of presidential university school with way stricter qualifications than our current med schools.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Buddha2525 said:
Any time the state is involved with a decision process it acts as the middle man, mafia boss, or dictatorship, making it so the people aren't free. When wealth is in the hands of only a few, that's called plutocratic tyranny.

Unless all citizens are involved in all aspects of the decision process, that process it's corrupt. Politicians don't have magical powers, don't need special degrees, and the only requirement is a bought and paid for beauty pageant.

Therefore since the only requirement is a natural citizen, aged over 36, and resided in the US for 14 years, everyone meeting those requirements should have the same say.

Why should nepotism, money, and the ability to bullshit make the president better than you or I? You think the framers had in mind the president only became president because he has lots of money and a reality show saying you're fired?

I'm pretty sure if everyone who signed the constitution came to the future to witness Trump, I'm pretty sure they'd had added some sort of presidential university school with way stricter qualifications than our current med schools.
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No one fucking likes you, canna sylvan
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
I'm living the life I've always wanted. I like my non-job job very much. But thank you for the concern.

Not everyone has life as lucky as I do, which happened by luck. Others should have the freedom to enjoy what I do. Capitalism makes that impossible.
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Buddha2525 said:
The article gets to the heart of the problem rather well. What's not addressed is these nations, including ours, are pretty dressed up versions of syndicalism mixed with statism, a bad combination, using the methods of what's supposed to be a temporary transition.

The transition will never take place until corporations are dismantled, and the workers are given true power.

The future is, Libertarian Socialism:"the means of production would be owned in common by the society, but it is libertarian because (1) means of production are not owned or controlled by the state, and (2) workers have the collective power of management of the places where they work. Workers are not subject to state bureaucrats."

But when state and corporations are the real "democracy" what you have is this half truth:

"Today we live in a cruel and tyrannical capitalist economy. The time for irreversibly abolishing this cruel system is long overdue.

Every nation on Earth today is capitalist including those that the media falsely label communist. A capitalist is one who loves capital, which is the centralization of wealth or money."

Even though I read Medium often, they too are a capitalist propaganda engine. What they fail to mention is capitalists can and do simulate communism through what's technically plutocracy using state/corporate controlled media to influence the population to accept their domination.

The result is what Noam Chomsky calls friendly economic fasism. If done improperly libertarian socalist syndicalism is still crony capitalism and a farse with a new fancy name, fooling us we have true liberty.

While I agree for the most part with Bernie, but because he advocates for the state being in control, rather than the people themselves, we risk the very same outcome, if they happen to lie.

If we rush into socialism through the state, without first making sure the people haven't given up their power, then we end up with what you fear Trump will do, because all politicians lie.

Tread carefully.

You can read more as explained in this article just printed today.

https://medium.com/@alicheaib/are-both-capitalist-democracies-and-communist-democracies-equally-deplorable-c5a3b689abfe

This article explains what needs to be done to fix our abuse.

https://thedialogues.xyz/what-is-anarcho-syndicalism-df374e71224c
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yeah, yeah, we get that you don't like the world as it is and want to reshape it somehow. I won't hold my breath until you do. However you do have the right to agitate for the kind of economic and political system that you want. It takes work, but you can make a meaningful difference if you can convince people to follow you.

Speaking of democracy, who are you going to vote for in this upcoming election?
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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we get enough of that from the Dems. wake up, both parties are in it for themselves, not us. George Carlin said long ago "there's a special club and we're not in it"
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Buddha2525 said:
Any time the state is involved with a decision process it acts as the middle man, mafia boss, or dictatorship, making it so the people aren't free. When wealth is in the hands of only a few, that's called plutocratic tyranny.

Unless all citizens are involved in all aspects of the decision process, that process it's corrupt. Politicians don't have magical powers, don't need special degrees, and the only requirement is a bought and paid for beauty pageant.

Therefore since the only requirement is a natural citizen, aged over 36, and resided in the US for 14 years, everyone meeting those requirements should have the same say.

Why should nepotism, money, and the ability to bullshit make the president better than you or I? You think the framers had in mind the president only became president because he has lots of money and a reality show saying you're fired?

I'm pretty sure if everyone who signed the constitution came to the future to witness Trump, I'm pretty sure they'd had added some sort of presidential university school with way stricter qualifications than our current med schools.
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Speaking of Democracy and your desire for an open ballot, tell us who you are voting for this fall so we can decide whether or not to punish you.
 
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