Cannaventure seeds thread

[boybelue]

Same deal here. I sent him this pic of my seed storage, so he knows I’m not keeping them under a wet blanket or something. My packs are unopened too. Keep this in the freezer. So proper seed storage.

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I’m having luck with the lvtk though. I’m sad yours aren’t doing well, I wanted to see what you got out of them, structure etc.

I’d say that’s atypical for your garden based off what I’ve seen. Sucks man.

I use to keep mine in the freezer but for the last 6 or 7 yrs I've kept mine in the veggy drawer in the fridge. I can't remember exactly what made me change, seems like ive read freezer is best for long term but they need to stay frozen, that may be why I changed, taking mine out for brief periods to find next round. Whats the consensus for preferred method?

 

[dstroy]

I use to keep mine in the freezer but for the last 6 or 7 yrs I've kept mine in the veggy drawer in the fridge. I can't remember exactly what made me change, seems like ive read freezer is best for long term but they need to stay frozen, that may be why I changed, taking mine out for brief periods to find next round. Whats the consensus for preferred method?

I kept them in the fridge a couple months and then moved them to the freezer. I only take them out to grab a pack. I just keep a list of what’s in there so I don’t have to peek, and keep the packs in alphabetical order so when I do it’s fast.

Kew is the “royal botanical garden” they run the msbp, a large seed bank.

http://howtosaveseeds.com/store.php

https://www.kew.org/sites/default/files/12-Cold room design web.pdf

 

[hillbill]

My AST and Cookie Wreck have been very slow in veg but it could very well be grower induced as I was trying new seedling mix but other unrelated plant have done better right along side. Stuck 'em in flower tent so we'll see.

 

[boybelue]

I kept them in the fridge a couple months and then moved them to the freezer. I only take them out to grab a pack. I just keep a list of what’s in there so I don’t have to peek, and keep the packs in alphabetical order so when I do it’s fast.

Kew is the “royal botanical garden” they run the msbp, a large seed bank.

http://howtosaveseeds.com/store.php

https://www.kew.org/sites/default/files/12-Cold room design web.pdf

Thanks, "how to save seeds" is a good read! Never heard that about the D.E. for seed storage, very interesting. This read also makes me wonder if improper drying and storage may be the culprit to some of the recent mutated sprouts.

 

[growslut]

I use to keep mine in the freezer but for the last 6 or 7 yrs I've kept mine in the veggy drawer in the fridge. I can't remember exactly what made me change, seems like ive read freezer is best for long term but they need to stay frozen, that may be why I changed, taking mine out for brief periods to find next round. Whats the consensus for preferred method?

Listened to a Bodhi interview yesterday (Adam Dunn show) and they all recommended fridge storage. They said only keep it in the freezer if you plan to pop them next time you take them out

 

[macsnax]

I quit keeping mine in the freezer when I heard it's not good to freeze and thaw and then re-freeze them. I have no idea how true it is though. I have a bunch of seeds I made maybe it's time to get to the bottom of this..... How do you guys think I should go about this? Freeze some for a few days, put them in the fridge for a few days, then freeze them again for a few days, then do a germ test. Think that will tell us what we want to know? Should it be a long period in the freezer?

 

[Mr Blamo]

Seeds in and out of the freezer will be dead seed in the end. If keeping in the freezer work out of the freezer...never take them out and let them thaw and refreeze....as will be dead seed in the end.

 

[dstroy]

Listened to a Bodhi interview yesterday (Adam Dunn show) and they all recommended fridge storage. They said only keep it in the freezer if you plan to pop them next time you take them out

Yes, because it takes a long time to reacclimate them if you let them warm up outside of the freezer IF you decide to not pop them. Fridge is much more convenient if you're one of those that changes their mind after they've got the pack in their hand holding it over water. Because of that long ass drying prep that takes place before they go in the freezer, makes it inconvenient. You cant take them out and put them right back in. ICE crystals will form inside of cells and rupture cell walls without completely redrying them and the viability drops off dramatically.


The big takeaway is a cold, low humidity, stable environment with hermetically sealed (air tight) containers that have indicating desiccant. The colder you go, the longer you prep your seeds to go into that environment. There are a lot of really cool papers on drying seeds for storage.

 

[dstroy]

Seeds in and out of the freezer will be dead seed in the end. If keeping in the freezer work out of the freezer...never take them out and let them thaw and refreeze....as will be dead seed in the end.

Exactly. If you go in knowing that tho you never have any problems. Different strokes. I think a lot of issues with seed storage come from people not knowing where to look for the information on what they need to do.

 

[dstroy]

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Thanks, "how to save seeds" is a good read! Never heard that about the D.E. for seed storage, very interesting. This read also makes me wonder if improper drying and storage may be the culprit to some of the recent mutated sprouts.

It's a cool subject. I've enjoyed reading about it when I needed to store all those seeds I bought.

Cause I grow out of a 4x4 and totally needed 40 packs of seeds.

something something compensating.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

The big takeaway is a cold, low humidity, stable environment with hermetically sealed (air tight) containers that have indicating desiccant. The colder you go, the longer you prep your seeds to go into that environment. There are a lot of really cool papers on drying seeds for storage.

You just lost 98% of everyone that reads this, lol.

"What does this guy think he is smarter than me?"

When I was going college as a 30 yr old my friends shared the eye roll many a time when I suggested I could get them some nice articles or papers they could read on a topic we were discussing. My response was always, "why wouldn't you want to follow up on something your curious about?"

Upgrade that grey matter. That is what separates failures from success, a little fore thought and insight.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Speaking of failures on my part. These Hurkle seeds just don't want to live past popping open.

The 2 I had in coco curled up and couldn't get out of their helmets/seed husk and died.

I threw 2 more in napkins Saturday night, nothing popped yesterday and I checked them just now after work. One did not pop and then the one that did pop did the curl bullshit again. It kind of looks like the tap root is fucked off, real skinny in spots. I put it in coco just now anyway but I don't have high hopes.

I also pinched/cracked open the seed that didn't pop and put it back in paper towel. I'll check that one again tonight before bed.

I still have 2 Hurkles left so I might as well try popping those if these 2 don't make it. The 3 I sent my brother did the same curl thing and I think he lost 1 or 2 as well. Not sure if seeds are just too old and running out of steam or what.

 

[dstroy]

Lvtk

As they are in the tent
3 4
2 5
1 6

#2, Streeeeeeeeetchy
The next node is below the net.


Nothing else really interesting going on.

 

[whytewidow]

You think! Just keeps surprising me. This is my second round of dealing with this kind of stretch. Maybe it has something to do with my set up. I used a fixed height 600w hps on the first round and was thinking it might be my fault on the stretch. However on this round i have been able to run my new hybrid light at the proper height and it is even worse. That one ELL is a beast

Your Arcata Ghost was 6" tall at flip too? What size pots you in? I have two Arcata G's like a week old maybe, start of 3rd node I think. They are super shit. They're lookn good so far. Both seed plants. They are gonna get flipped pretty soon. Just waiting on the a new sammy strip light to be finished up. The last driver will be here tomorrow. Lookn forward to flower these Ghosts under the new light. 3k n 4k mix. A tad higher on the 4k side. So hopefully itll help keep stretch to a minimum.... they will get flowered with some Cali Mango Mass. Hoping 2 n 2. But one of the c.m.m. got the first inch of her taproot broke off during planting. But she hasn't died. So maybe she will pull through. But shes way behind the other 3. So she may get trashed.

 

[CAPT CHESAPEAKE]

Yes 6" on the AG as well. The 1 gal radical pot which is pretty close to the size of a 2 gal smart pot. Might move on to the 3 gal radical next round The 1 gallons are working me to hard. If you were to top the AG i would imagine the stretch would not be as bad. I just super cropped the mains on the AG yesterday. Speaking of that the main stem walls on the AG were very thin walled and hollow so be careful supper cropping it.

 

[CAPT CHESAPEAKE]

Your Arcata Ghost was 6" tall at flip too? What size pots you in? I have two Arcata G's like a week old maybe, start of 3rd node I think. They are super shit. They're lookn good so far. Both seed plants. They are gonna get flipped pretty soon. Just waiting on the a new sammy strip light to be finished up. The last driver will be here tomorrow. Lookn forward to flower these Ghosts under the new light. 3k n 4k mix. A tad higher on the 4k side. So hopefully itll help keep stretch to a minimum.... they will get flowered with some Cali Mango Mass. Hoping 2 n 2. But one of the c.m.m. got the first inch of her taproot broke off during planting. But she hasn't died. So maybe she will pull through. But shes way behind the other 3. So she may get trashed.

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[thenotsoesoteric]

The Hurkle I crushed to pop has already popped out a tail and is in coco. Hopefully the two girls pop up and out of the coco this time gosh darn it all, lol.

 

[whytewidow]

Yes, because it takes a long time to reacclimate them if you let them warm up outside of the freezer IF you decide to not pop them. Fridge is much more convenient if you're one of those that changes their mind after they've got the pack in their hand holding it over water. Because of that long ass drying prep that takes place before they go in the freezer, makes it inconvenient. You cant take them out and put them right back in. ICE crystals will form inside of cells and rupture cell walls without completely redrying them and the viability drops off dramatically.


The big takeaway is a cold, low humidity, stable environment with hermetically sealed (air tight) containers that have indicating desiccant. The colder you go, the longer you prep your seeds to go into that environment. There are a lot of really cool papers on drying seeds for storage.

I keep all my beans in a wine chiller. Set at 38°-41° with 15% humidity. And that never changes unless I open it. Theyve been kept in the chiller since my dad bought it almost 11 years ago. I've popped old beans and stuff that's been kept in it. And seem to have a higher germ rate than keeping in the fridge.

 

[whytewidow]

Yes 6" on the AG as well. The 1 gal radical pot which is pretty close to the size of a 2 gal smart pot. Might move on to the 3 gal radical next round The 1 gallons are working me to hard. If you were to top the AG i would imagine the stretch would not be as bad. I just super cropped the mains on the AG yesterday. Speaking of that the main stem walls on the AG were very thin walled and hollow so be careful supper cropping it.

Yeah I'm gonna top both. At 2nd true node. When they get to the 5th or 6th node. The 1gals drying out faster than you thought?

 

[CAPT CHESAPEAKE]

Yeah I'm gonna top both. At 2nd true node. When they get to the 5th or 6th node. The 1gals drying out faster than you thought?

Yea i am watering 2 times a day and could probably do 3 times. I am pretty sure i have a solid root mass in those new radicle pots. I like them a lot just will probably move on to the 3 gal size next round.