canna boost accellerator VS AN bud candy

hi all, first post here in a while

Ive been using canna accellerator for a while now along with canna flower nutes and i did use the canna pk for a while. Recently though ive switched to AN hammerhead for the pk and have been really impressed with it. Ive been wondering if its worth switching to bud candy aswell instead of the accelerator. What do you guys think? Ive read quite a few times that bud candy really improves taste but is it as good as acellerator for bud formation, ive always had much denser nicer nugs with accelerator since i started using it. I dont really want to risk overferting and using both products so wondered which you guys thought was the best.

cheers

or what about using a combination of AN's overdrive and big bud?

To replace the CannaBoost you're going to need a few items. Specifically, the B52, the Big Bud, the Nirvana, and the Bud Candy. This comprises a complex of carbohydrates, B vitamins, and amino acids with a phosphate and potassium booster. Which is basically what the accelerator is minus their "magical rain forest extract."

In reality these things are all just glorified organic blooming tea you could make yourself for less.

If you have the money to spare I say you give it a go and let us know what you think of it for future reference

Thanks for the reply.

Well I've ended up getting some big bud and overdrive today and I've still got some accelerator left so I can do a bit of a side by side test. I've just been getting sick of paying so much for the accelerator but looking at the list of nutes you've put maybe its not gonna be cheaper to switch to those instead. I think maybe for next time ill work out which other of the AN ones youve suggested I can offord to get for the same/or less price as accelerator would cost and take it from there.

im wondering the same thing potdj, i switched from pk13/14 to hammerhead also, yes i thought it was good, but i cant tell the difference between them tbh im using 25ml of hammerhead instead of 20 per 10l wich they advise and still no signs of overfert i think its a bit weaker then pk [maybe??] and ima push it to 30ml per 10l in my next watering, i started using pk from 2 n half weeks in to flower then changed to hammerhead bout week 5, i searched long n hard [<--gay] to find advice for using pk and found some one on this site who had written to canna asking them when to use it and canna written back contradicting the advice on the bottle, they basicaly said start using it bout half way thru flowering and continuse using it till signs of overfert, hammerhead say use it all the way thru, i would love it if u do a side by side using hammerhead and boost [same as me] and using bigbud and overdrive so we could see a clear winner, but then also consider boost gives it flavour

You need more nitrogen and bulk building nutes you asswipe

have a look at the dyna-gro set of nutrients they look good to me been told they're used by true pros and what not.. dont work out too expensive either but theres only once supplier in England n thats in oxfordshire

Imaulle said:

the people who go to college and get a real education in horticulture use Dyna-Gro

I highly recommend you get the following

dyna-gro foliage pro - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/133215
dyna-gro bloom - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/133534
dyna-gro pro-tekt - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/133537
dyna-gro mag-pro - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/133535


and then if you want a root accelerator (the best I've found so far, but open to others' input) - http://www.hydroponics.net/i/134358

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quote from other thread

True story.

In flowering it does seem like some people over do it with their nutrients. I personally use coco, so Canna has been a really natural fit for me. Their two part nutrient is used from start to finish which allows a grower to have a foundation of nutrient levels, with a 5:4:3 ratio of nutrients. During bloom the nutrient needs of the plant changes but so does the profile of the coco as it has retained a healthy calcium and potassium buffer. So the grower can keep using this formula while providing elevated levels of the nutrients in need.

Providing bloom nutrition via CannaBoost at like $90 per liter in coco is expensive over time. At 10ml per gallon that's only 100 gallons, and at 15ml per gallon it's only 66.67 gallons. That's more than $1 per gallon in CannaBoost...
Their system also lacks the appropriate amount of Magnesium for this period of time so a grower does need to look elsewhere for nutrition.

Using the AN lineup of Big Bud, Bud Candy, B52, Nirvana, and Bud Factor X, would be expensive at first to accumulate all the bottles (probably like $300) but you'll be using around 2ml of each per gallon for about 5 weeks, which is going to allow for up to 500 gallons of mix. That's five times the amount of gallons for about three times the price.

Still though, it' about having a ratio and deciding what you really need. I mean, Nirvana is just worm casting tea concentrate with some alfalfa extracts and other junk. The Bud Factor X is pretty much just a $25 bottle of Epsom Salt mixed with water. The Bud Candy is pretty much just Molasses. The B52 is debatable whether B vitamins or amino acids are needed at all. Even the Big Bud is just a mellow pk booster without the EDTA chelator.

So...

It's up to you. I have used the BioBoost before and was very unimpressed. So now I'm trying out a couple different Bloom Boosters on a few different plants to see for myself what works. I'm trying Big Bud and Nirvana on some plants, KoolBloom on some other plants. I've even switched some plants off of Canna Coco A+B over to Sensi Bloom A+B. I have the luxury of having a tent to experiment in.

I haven't tried out the entire Dyna-Gro system yet but the above poster is saying basically what I've heard before. It isn't bad stuff and I do have some Pro-Tekt on my shelf. I am planning on getting some Aeroponics systems next year and have been thinking it would be a good fit for that.

i should mention im using coco with the canna coco A+B feed for my base nutes

anyway i guess all i can do is experiment like you say, maybe look to using some mollases instead of bud candy and as far as i can tell that b 52 stuff looks really similair to super thrive which ive used quite a bit in the past for through veg and the firstt couple of weeks/week 1 and 3 of bloom, so maybe i could look into that again.

hmmm carboload isnt incredibley expensive either, so canna coco A+B, Hammerhead, Big Bud, Overdrive, Carboload, B-52/superthrive(still debating which of those 2 works out cheaper and if they are indeed pretty much the same thing or even needed at all) and then a bud candy alternative/mollases

sorry to keep bumping, but im just doing the maths for the price difference between using the different products and wanted to list them in this thread

based on using 10litre per week (just a made up amount to make the maths easier for a dumby like me lol) and on the prices i can get them at my local grow shop

16 crops (again just to make the maths easier, using 10 litre a week worked out at a bottle of big bud and bottle of overdrive would last 16 8 week bloom cycles) using big bud, overdrive and carboload would come out at £57.80

16 crops using canna boost accelerator would cost £125.40

16 crops using bid bud, overdrive and bud candy would cost £131

so as i see it as soon as i throw bud candy into the mix its gonna start costing even more so i may aswell just stick to using the canna boost

but the saving if i used bid bud, overderive and carboload is gonna be a hell of a lot and leaves me the option to find a couple of more additives to use aswell and still be saving a hell of a lot compared to using canna boost

In bloom i use Sensi bloom, big bud, overdrive and bud candy..with some cal mag thrown in now and then. I grow in a crappy 4x4 tent with a 600hps using a cool tube to keep temps decent..i grow in promix with some xtra perlite added in and i get well over 20 ounces dry per crop. AN prices for me are 1L of sensi a and b $40, big bud $40, overdrive $50 and bud candy $35 ...all bottles are 1L. Thats a total of $165 now cut it in half because i get 2 crops out of that and it works out to a little more then $80 for 20 ounces of pot...seems pretty reasonable to me.

Peace Te Lilman

hmmm thats strange then bud candy over here is about £45 a litre, about $70 and the overdrive and big bud are £20 a litre so about $30

and thats not just the price for bud candy at my local shop it seem to be 40-45 quid most places ive checked

so i wonder why were paying so much for bud candy over here

shipping ??

it could be shipping but then how come i can get the big bud and overdrive cheaper :/

I would stick with AN's Bud Candy, IMHO

And if you're concerned about prices, you can always find it on Ebay and Craigslist for cheap. That's how I started and then I got hooked on it. Honestly, the results keep me going back for more.

I'm more concerned about what a nute does for me, rather than what it costs. Oh, and I use just a little less in my grows to make the bottles last as long as possible. If you're creative, you can always save money and still get everything you need.

And you might want to stay away from making your own nutes. I tried that once, thinking I'd save money, but when I did it, not only did I end up screwing up, but I also had to spend MORE money to make the nutes. And the nutes didn't even work for my grow.

So, really, if you want to grow, just stick with the nutes that are already ready to go, made for those who grow weed, AN is the one for me, at least.

I've only recently switched to the Canna line myself for flowering and because of a major malfunction in a pH meter it makes it awfully difficult to base any objective resultant evidentiary claims. My pH meter fouled on me for at least 10 days and the plants unfortunately ended up being fed a nutrient solution that was below 4.0 for at least that long. F*%k!!! As a result the calcium they would normally have gotten ended up as a continuing deficiency I'm still trying to deal with, mostly by foliar feeding. The high price tag of the Canna Boost Accelerator is a major turn off, but the H&G line isn't much better on the wallet given their high demand of shooting powder during the last 3 weeks of flowering. Also, is there any reason why the Canna line's nutes even when given to the resevoir at the exact same dosage rates as H&G are so much lower in concentration? At 10ml per gallon, even with only dechlorinated tap water, my TDS meter only read 770 ppm. Wtf? Honestly, I'm thinking about going with H&G base nutes, and supplementing with Boost Accelerator and Hygrozyme instead. Any thoughts people?

bit of an update on this, and not such brilliant results tbh

ive basically taken 1 step forward and 2 back, or something along those lines

i did some plants using cann coco base nutes, canna accelerator and A.N hammerhead, these turned out pretty good actually, was quite pleased and will probablly be the formula ill be using from now on

after this ive done some using canna coc base nutes, A.N Hammerhead, A.N Big Bud & A.N Overdrive... in terms of yield and how healthy the plants appeared etc... brilliant, i was pretty much convinced that id found a cheaper alternative to using the canna accelerator that produced the same kind of results

well i was convinced untill i smoked the first few bongs of it anyway....

its hard to explain the taste, its more of an aftertaste, its not like unflushed weed taste ive come across before, and its been flushed for 2 weeks aswell, i really cant explain the taste tbh, a sort of tingly almost a burning sensation on the toungue, its not painful or incredibley disgusting, but its definetley there and really ruins the bag appeal imo, and even after a proper drying and a couple of weeks cure, the taste is still there

its the same for 3 different strains aswell, all of which i know shouldnt have this weird taste

also, i did some of the plants only using the h. head, b. bud and overdrive at %50 strength... but its still the same for those

i dunno... im pretty pissed off tbh, but what can you do, but it makes me understand why theres so many A.N haters out there

to cut a long story short.... in my quest to save money, ive ended up losing money in the long run, whether this is completley down to the new A.N stuff ive used or me using it wrong i dont know, but i would consider my self fairly experienced with this shit, and i didnt make any incredibley herendous mistakes. It had popped into my head that its some kind of after effect of excessive nute burn, but tbh the fact that the plants that recieved %50 nutes turned out the same and the fact that even the ones that were on nearly (i was still holding back a little from the reccomended dosage on the A.N bottles) full strength, and also the ones on nearly full strength never showed any signs of nute burn... they looked incredible throughout... so healthy

ah well you live and learn i guess, i guess ill just be giving my girls canna coco base nutes and a bit of hammerhead now and again for now and get back onto the canna accelerator when i can

Wait...

Wasn't this supposed to be a comparison of Bud Candy and Boost Accelerator?

Yet your review makes no mention of Bud Candy. I understand you're not satisfied with Big Bud, and Over Drive... What about Bud Candy?

Anyway...

I'm going to be using Bud Candy, Hydroplex, Gravity and Snow Storm (earlier as foliar) in place of Boost Accelerator, CannaZym and PK 13/14. I'm also switching to Botanicare Ripe for the last 4 weeks or so. I can let you guys know if that system compares, but dollar for dollar it is about the same.