Canadian patient needs help from the states

Kingrow1 said:

Sorry threads become threads and so on.

Im stoked you choose a book but if it were me id invest in a basic start up kit with light and extraction and get soil and a single bottle of ferts.

All this is very easy to obtain then just replicate some of the good grow journals. I just completed a grow with one inline, one hps and one tent with soil and one bottle of ferts.

Books and stuff can be misleading and before you know it your trying to run before you walk.

Take seedlings and the growers here, germinate in promix then just flush through 1.0ec feeds, same again for coco. Now you can add calmag, benes, soil adds, root stims and a whole pleathera of crap or you can just stick to soil/coco and a simple fert (plenty do an a + b for the whole cycle).

So this book cool but you dont need it

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Thanks for the advice, I am already in coco.. 3 4x4 tents 500watts total per tent hps/cmh on a spinner/mover ,1 veg 2 flower , jacks 321, raw nutrients bennies, sometimes mammoth..cane sugar, em-1, and the odd tea to switch things up.. I have no problem growing... I just want the book to see if I can tweak my system a little...

Long story short guys... I just want the book..

sezar29 said:

Thanks for the advice, I am already in coco.. 3 4x4 tents 500watts total per tent hps/cmh on a spinner/mover ,1 veg 2 flower , jacks 321, raw nutrients bennies, sometimes mammoth..cane sugar, em-1, and the odd tea to switch things up.. I have no problem growing... I just want the book to see if I can tweak my system a little...

Long story short guys... I just want the book..

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it sounds like you have it all taken care of. really growing is extremely simple. you just need to create an optimal environment for the plant then water it and the plant does the rest. just make sure you're starting with quality genetics or you won't get quality weed.

and to the reprobate who will burn in hell, canadian licensed producers want usually 8-14 dollars per gram so even if your prescription is only 6 grams a day you're looking at 60$ per day for poisonous schwag. it's insane. i recommend everyone grow their own.

if you're really determined to get the grow boss book you could always look at mail forwarding services like these

https://crossborderpickups.ca/
https://www.myus.com/
https://getmyusmail.com/
https://www.usabox.com/

all the information you need on growing is online. just google the problem youre having and describe it.

legalcanada said:

it sounds like you have it all taken care of. really growing is extremely simple. you just need to create an optimal environment for the plant then water it and the plant does the rest. just make sure you're starting with quality genetics or you won't get quality weed.

and to the reprobate who will burn in hell, canadian licensed producers want usually 8-14 dollars per gram so even if your prescription is only 6 grams a day you're looking at 60$ per day for poisonous schwag. it's insane. i recommend everyone grow their own.

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What happened to cheap mail order weed and the fire bud top shelf saturated market they always going on about, 10 clams a gram is exspensive to what some here are paying

Kingrow1 said:

What happened to cheap mail order weed and the fire bud top shelf saturated market they always going on about, 10 clams a gram is exspensive to what some here are paying

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yes that's the licensed producers.. there's a million unlicensed dispensaries online with cheap product which is as good or better than the licensed guys. $99 ounces, $2 grams and up, $15 grams of shatter etc. i bought from a LP once and realized how big of a rip off it was and bought from online dispensaries until my first harvest.

https://faircannacare.com seems OK but haven't tried them, i was using https://budgetbuds.net

legalcanada said:

if you're really determined to get the grow boss book you could always look at mail forwarding services like these

https://crossborderpickups.ca/
https://www.myus.com/
https://getmyusmail.com/
https://www.usabox.com/

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Ok! Now we are getting somewhere! Thank you... I welcome any other similar suggestions...

NanoGadget said:

This right here....
There is so much good information available for free that I really don't see a reason to spend a bunch of money trying to get a hold of a specific book. If you REALLY feel like you have to actually pay for a book on the subject, I would recommend just getting a book on horticulture and nailing down the fundamentals of plant care. Too many books marketed to cannabis growers are written by hucksters who end up either repeating old wives tales and bro science stoner myths that are demonstrably false or misleading, or they are charging a shitload of money because only they know the 'secret' to getting 'sick yeilds'.

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Yep, exactly. Most books gall in one of three categories with a lot of crossover;

1) the most basic info you could get in one high time magazine

2) the most stereotypical broscience (abrreviated because it really should be a single word)

My personal favorite

3) the classic "build your growroom just like mine and run it exactly the same way I do and you'll get the exact same bajillion grams per watt but I won't tell you hardly anything educational or informative" bs.

Start with general education of the environmental ques and preferences of the plant and the fundamentals of lighting, root zone conditions, and atmospheric conditions and how they work together. Believe it or not that last single sentence actually covers pretty much everything but the harvest/dry/cure steps.

legalcanada said:

$15 grams of shatter

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Jeees, that shit goes for like $80 here

SchmoeJoe said:

Yep, exactly. Most books gall in one of three categories with a lot of crossover;

1) the most basic info you could get in one high time magazine

2) the most stereotypical broscience (abrreviated because it really should be a single word)

My personal favorite

3) the classic "build your growroom just like mine and run it exactly the same way I do and you'll get the exact same bajillion grams per watt but I won't tell you hardly anything educational or informative" bs.

Start with general education of the environmental ques and preferences of the plant and the fundamentals of lighting, root zone conditions, and atmospheric conditions and how they work together. Believe it or not that last single sentence actually covers pretty much everything but the harvest/dry/cure steps.

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I agree 100% I have most of the grow books out there.. and that s mostly what it is.. copy my set up bla bla bla... what is appealing to me is how he explains the relationship between light, pot size, nutes and what NOT to do... I already get the jist of it but I am looking for his take on it... Plus I am sort of a picker/collector and I am collecting anything to do with cannabis Pre-legalization right now... maybe leave that stuff to my kids one day if it s worth more than what I paid for it...or I might just be a hoarder Ha ha...

By the way... just a FYI for those who don t know... you can pull as much weight with Jack’s 321 combo plus Fulvic versus pretty much any nute line plus the expensive additives. I tried it a few times head to head with my 2 4x4’s in the same environment and clones. Outcome is alwaysless than a 2% difference. So less than 10g’s per run.

So a jack’s run. About 11$ for nutes.

Advanced 400 plus $$... for an extra 10 grams...I think not.

Growmau5 tried t also... Jack’s 321 vs New Millennium full line with 2 grams diff.

Check it out.. best move you can make for your wallet.

On that note.. Cheers

sezar29 said:

By the way... just a FYI for those who don t know... you can pull as much weight with Jack’s 321 combo plus Fulvic versus pretty much any nute line plus the expensive additives. I tried it a few times head to head with my 2 4x4’s in the same environment and clones. Outcome is alwaysless than a 2% difference. So less than 10g’s per run.

So a jack’s run. About 11$ for nutes.

Advanced 400 plus $$... for an extra 10 grams...I think not.

Growmau5 tried t also... Jack’s 321 vs New Millennium full line with 2 grams diff.

Check it out.. best move you can make for your wallet.

On that note.. Cheers

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Growmau... please, ill be taking the $400 AN if he recomends Jacks!

Kingrow1 said:

Growmau... please, ill be taking the $400 AN if he recomends Jacks!

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Just sayin’ I saw it there and tried it with AN (which I already had) Cyco, and Raw Nutrients (which did the best for me btw) and also Growmous didn’t t recommend it, just did a side by side.. where New Mill won... by 2 grams.

But hey.. if you wanna flush money..

i used to use maxibloom (5-15-14) as a complete 1 part (lucas formula) and tapwater and pulled decent weights.

now i'm using megacrop (10-6-14) its designed specifically for cannabis. a complete 1 part with full secondary, enzymes, silica, amino acids, chitosan, kelp extract, and b vitamins, its only $55 for a 22.7lb bag. the shipping to canada was expensive but still cheaper than most other ones including jacks.

sezar29 said:

By the way... just a FYI for those who don t know... you can pull as much weight with Jack’s 321 combo plus Fulvic versus pretty much any nute line plus the expensive additives. I tried it a few times head to head with my 2 4x4’s in the same environment and clones. Outcome is alwaysless than a 2% difference. So less than 10g’s per run.

So a jack’s run. About 11$ for nutes.

Advanced 400 plus $$... for an extra 10 grams...I think not.

Growmau5 tried t also... Jack’s 321 vs New Millennium full line with 2 grams diff.

Check it out.. best move you can make for your wallet.

On that note.. Cheers

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can you not talk shit the real grower is here now lol

sezar29 said:

By the way... just a FYI for those who don t know... you can pull as much weight with Jack’s 321 combo plus Fulvic versus pretty much any nute line plus the expensive additives. I tried it a few times head to head with my 2 4x4’s in the same environment and clones. Outcome is alwaysless than a 2% difference. So less than 10g’s per run.

So a jack’s run. About 11$ for nutes.

Advanced 400 plus $$... for an extra 10 grams...I think not.

Growmau5 tried t also... Jack’s 321 vs New Millennium full line with 2 grams diff.

Check it out.. best move you can make for your wallet.

On that note.. Cheers

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Jacks was cool but I needed to add a few other things to make it usable. It worked, but now that Im using MegaCrop I havent had to add anything.

blowincherrypie said:

Jacks was cool but I needed to add a few other things to make it usable. It worked, but now that Im using MegaCrop I havent had to add anything.

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Some jacks go well with others to balance out better but ive never used them, mainly they look like a lot of other commercial mixes.

Many have cropped just using 20-20-20 or 7-7-7 or whatever.

Kingrow1 said:

Some jacks go well with others to balance out better but ive never used them, mainly they look like a lot of other commercial mixes.

Many have cropped just using 20-20-20 or 7-7-7 or whatever.

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Plants needed S/MG - Epsom salt covered that
it was short on Ca - add calmag once every week or so
had to add silica/kelp

I wanted to like it, I really did. I'm not saying it didn't work, but it was just taking a lot of tinkering for me and I just dont think I ever got it dialed in like I like. I wound up going back to GH cocotek after a cpl rounds and MegaCrop puts everything to shame.

legalcanada said:

i used to use maxibloom (5-15-14) as a complete 1 part (lucas formula) and tapwater and pulled decent weights.

now i'm using megacrop (10-6-14) its designed specifically for cannabis. a complete 1 part with full secondary, enzymes, silica, amino acids, chitosan, kelp extract, and b vitamins, its only $55 for a 22.7lb bag. the shipping to canada was expensive but still cheaper than most other ones including jacks.

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I was saying Jack's but i actually get this stuff here http://boutiquepro.ghlinc.com/fertilizer-soluble-mix-6-11-31-15kg w full micros 15kg 60$ which is basically the same thing as jack's..but here in Canada. they have the Cal Nitrate 25$ 15kg and mag to go with it for the 3 part...shipping is about 60$ per bag..Quebec to Ontario where I am. I just add fulvic to the mix...Cane sugar and RAW bloom bennies. That is as cheap as it gets for me. Plus most people worry too much about nutes...the industry targets cannabis growers and inflates prices out of this world for " cannabis specific nutes" which is fine if thats your thing... but all of them are basically a 3-1-4 ratio. the grow equation is light, water, co2...which makes up more or less 95% of the plants needs...the other 5%m is nutes...You need them, but the nit picking over SLIGHTLY different formulas doesn't make a difference for me. except in my wallet...where it counts...but tha's just me...take it or leave it...tha's up to you..

If you buy liquid nutes , your paying for water (especially shipping it) advertising, a little bit of salt, and some preservatives. Dry powder equals pure unadulterated salts , no water ,no preservatives. and a bag of these nutes makes 1000 gallons of feed solution at 3 grams per gallon, 2 grams cal nit, and 1 gram mag...900 ppm I add a litlle more Cal nit during stretch.. .. ph's at about 5.5 with my 100ppm tap water. I bubble my rez so the ph climbs slowly over a few days...but I like some ph drift.

The sooner people understand this..the better...Not a pissing contest here...just my opinion and you can judge if that's a worthwhile options for you guys. Especially if you're a new grower...A full line of Advanced ( grand master level) lol will set you back more than the crop is worth...especially knowing that 90% of first timers fail in 1 way or another.... so might asd well start cheap and work your way up..if you think it makes a difference...it might for you...who knows..

I like these forumrs sometimes..but i quickly get tired of the neg attitude some people bring to the table...but hey...there's fucking dicks everywhere...but we can choose to not entertain them.. bring useful info and some love.. I like the Aussie forums for that...the guys are all about helping each out and cheer on each other.. makes me smile...and I wish things can progress in that direction too..good Karma to all..

Peace guys..

sezar29 said:

except in my wallet...where it counts...but tha's just me...take it or leave it...tha's up to you

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which is why i'd rather buy 1 thing for 100$ (10kg, makes 2000 gallons) and have everything i need instead of having to buy 3 or 4 different things to mix. the fact its formulated for cannabis (meaning the chelated secondaries, enzymes, kelp, amino acids, b vitamins, silica, chitosan etc not the ratio) is just a bonus

they got like 65 pages of good feedback here on RIU feel free to check em out
https://www.rollitup.org/t/greenleaf-nutrients-and-mega-crop-happy-to-be-on-rui.946071/