Can The Shit Talking Stop Now?

The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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It's dead and gone. No matter how you feel about 19, it's gone forever. I hadn't been on the forum since Halloween and I come back to see that people are still talking shit...If 19 was "so popular" as all of these bogus web-polls done here said, then why the absolutely pathetic voter turn out? 18-29 year olds made up 9% of voters, this was the demographic that should have come out EN MASSE for 19...and they didnt. Whatever the issue is, there will never be any positive change for the young people of this country if we continue to voluntarily silence ourselves on voting day.

Yes, it's very obvious that I was opposed to 19. Still, I have to admit that I felt absolutely no relief from its failure. In fact, I was surprised and disappointed at the lack of determination of my peers. I thought for sure that this would get people to the polls, but I was wrong. Either way, if any of you want to see something happening in 2012 GET OFF YOUR ASS AND HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN. You might not like to hear that, especially coming from some a-hole on the internet but its absa-fucking-lutely true.

I think enough can be learned from 19's flaws and failure to make 2012 a reality. It's flaws divided our community, which was a stupid mistake - how could we possibly expect society at large to accept legislation that so many within the MJ community couldnt? And we aren't just talking about people on the internet, we are talking about ICONS in the MJ community that would not support 19. We (the CA-MJ community) need to present a bill that (mostly) we ALL agree on and will support with conviction, not demagougery, sloganeering and propagandizing.

But, the task will remain the individuals' to keep the intention of the CCHHI true to cause, because now you can bet your moms sweet ass that the pockets for 2012 will run deeper than a double ended dildo.

Keep vigilant, Guardians of the Reefer. Do not let this success render you soft and apathetic.
 
The Ruiner said:
It's dead and gone. No matter how you feel about 19, it's gone forever. I hadn't been on the forum since Halloween and I come back to see that people are still talking shit...If 19 was "so popular" as all of these bogus web-polls done here said, then why the absolutely pathetic voter turn out? 18-29 year olds made up 9% of voters, this was the demographic that should have come out EN MASSE for 19...and they didnt. Whatever the issue is, there will never be any positive change for the young people of this country if we continue to voluntarily silence ourselves on voting day.

Yes, it's very obvious that I was opposed to 19. Still, I have to admit that I felt absolutely no relief from its failure. In fact, I was surprised and disappointed at the lack of determination of my peers. I thought for sure that this would get people to the polls, but I was wrong. Either way, if any of you want to see something happening in 2012 GET OFF YOUR ASS AND HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN. You might not like to hear that, especially coming from some a-hole on the internet but its absa-fucking-lutely true.

I think enough can be learned from 19's flaws and failure to make 2012 a reality. It's flaws divided our community, which was a stupid mistake - how could we possibly expect society at large to accept legislation that so many within the MJ community couldnt? And we aren't just talking about people on the internet, we are talking about ICONS in the MJ community that would not support 19. We (the CA-MJ community) need to present a bill that (mostly) we ALL agree on and will support with conviction, not demagougery, sloganeering and propagandizing.

But, the task will remain the individuals' to keep the intention of the CCHHI true to cause, because now you can bet your moms sweet ass that the pockets for 2012 will run deeper than a double ended dildo.

Keep vigilant, Guardians of the Reefer. Do not let this success render you soft and apathetic.
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Great post man. I'm with you 100%. Unity is the answer. Much respect.
 
Dan Kone said:
Great post man. I'm with you 100%. Unity is the answer. Much respect.
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Thanks man...you can bet that I will be watching the CCHHI like a freakin' hawk. No more confusion, no more division. If we are to get it done, lets do it right!
 
Maybe the low voter turn out was because so many people were against the bill. I'm not in Cali but from what I saw of the bill it wasn't very impressive.
 
I've seen some bullshit on this myself..The one that really got my goat were folks bad mouting Californians. Saying "You ruined it for everyone by voting it out,California. You're a disgrace" "The rest of the USA will never have legal weed because of Cali thanks" "Cali is stupid for not voting in Prop 19. Fuck California."
These are real words from real people. How ignorant can it get? Is there really that many people mad at California? You know what I think? It's fucking average pot heads that want to drive out here and get stoned. And I'll wager a hefty sum that I'm not too far off.
 
Pipe Dream said:
Maybe the low voter turn out was because so many people were against the bill. I'm not in Cali but from what I saw of the bill it wasn't very impressive.
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Well...in some ways (not the ways I thought it proper) it was. Regardless, people in the 18-29 demographic just didnt vote this time. People got off their asses to elect a DOA president in 08 but not to "legalize" weed two years later. Whether they voted yes or no, 9% is dismal and wont change a damn thing for us, ever.
 
HowzerMD said:
I've seen some bullshit on this myself..The one that really got my goat were folks bad mouting Californians. Saying "You ruined it for everyone by voting it out,California. You're a disgrace" "The rest of the USA will never have legal weed because of Cali thanks" "Cali is stupid for not voting in Prop 19. Fuck California."
These are real words from real people. How ignorant can it get? Is there really that many people mad at California? You know what I think? It's fucking average pot heads that want to drive out here and get stoned. And I'll wager a hefty sum that I'm not too far off.
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Yep. But the good news is that the sun will rise tomorrow, we all want legalization, and we know unity will be necessary to achieve that goal. We learned what not to do from prop 19.
 
The Ruiner said:
but not to "legalize" weed two years later. Whether they voted yes or no, 9% is dismal and wont change a damn thing for us, ever.
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Right or wrong, people weren't sure it was legalization. If we have a law that we are all behind, I think they'll come out.
 
HowzerMD said:
I've seen some bullshit on this myself..The one that really got my goat were folks bad mouting Californians. Saying "You ruined it for everyone by voting it out,California. You're a disgrace" "The rest of the USA will never have legal weed because of Cali thanks" "Cali is stupid for not voting in Prop 19. Fuck California."
These are real words from real people. How ignorant can it get? Is there really that many people mad at California? You know what I think? It's fucking average pot heads that want to drive out here and get stoned. And I'll wager a hefty sum that I'm not too far off.
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Well, as I am trying to point out, 9% is nothing. Tell those people that most young people just didnt vote. Tell them to blame their lazy ass friends that avoid jury duty by not voting. Or you can have them blame me, I voted no. I dont give a shit anymore.
 
The Ruiner said:
That's like the MMJ crowd and maybe a couple of people that were on the fence and it could have been a reality.
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More than just their votes, their mobilization towards the goal would have made the difference. We need something solid that everyone can get behind yet non-smokers will support.
 
Dan Kone said:
More than just their votes, their mobilization towards the goal would have made the difference. We need something solid that everyone can get behind yet non-smokers will support.
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I was thinking in terms of brass tacks, but you are totally right. People on the fence don't need to hear things that could sway them away from yes votes in 2012.
 
The thing is as soon as it can be legalized it can be studied in depth even further. It could be very promising if it were rescheduled atleast in Federal Law.
 
Drug Rescheduling Criteria


The following U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) Drug Rescheduling Criteria details the requirements that marijuana, currently a Schedule I drug, must meet before the DEA will agree to lower the marijuana's Schedule to permit physicians to easily prescribe it to patients. (see "What is Federal drug scheduling?", "Should marijuana be reclassified as a drug generally available by prescription (Schedule II or III)?," and the most recent Petition to Reschedule Cannabis (Marijuana)
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DRUG ENFORCEMENT AGENCY'S FIVE-FACTOR TEST FOR [DRUG] RESCHEDULING
[Formulated in 1992 in response to a court challenge to scheduling.}
1. The drug's chemistry must be known and reproducible.
The substance's chemistry must be scientifically established to permit it to be reproduced in dosages which can be standardized. The listing of the substance in a current edition of one of the official compendia, as defined by section 201(j) of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, 21 USC 321(f), is sufficient generally to meet this requirement.
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2. There must be adequate safety studies.

There must be adequate pharmacological and toxicological studies done by all methods reasonably applicable on the basis of which it could be fairly and reasonably concluded, by experts qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of drugs, that the substance is safe for treating a specific, recognized disorder.
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3. There must be adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy.
There must be adequate, well-controlled, well-designed, well-conducted, and well-documented studies, including clinical investigations, by experts qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of drugs on the basis of which it could fairly and responsibly be concluded by such experts that the substance will have its intended effect in treating a specific, recognized disorder.
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4. The drug must be accepted by qualified experts.
The drug must have a New Drug Application (NDA) approved by the Food and Drug Administration. . . or, a consensus of the national community of experts, qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of drugs, accepts the safety and effectiveness of the substance for use in treating a specific, recognized disorder. A material conflict of opinion among experts precludes a finding of consensus.
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5. The scientific evidence must be widely available.
In the absence of NDA approval, information concerning the chemistry, pharmacology, toxicology, and effectiveness of the substance must be reported, published, or otherwise widely available in sufficient detail to permit experts, qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate the safety and effectiveness of drugs, to fairly and responsibly conclude the substance is safe and effective for use in treating a specific, recognized disorder.
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[Cited Sources: LeCraw (1996) and 57 Federal Register 10499 (1992)]
 
The Ruiner said:
It's dead and gone. No matter how you feel about 19, it's gone forever. I hadn't been on the forum since Halloween and I come back to see that people are still talking shit...If 19 was "so popular" as all of these bogus web-polls done here said, then why the absolutely pathetic voter turn out? 18-29 year olds made up 9% of voters, this was the demographic that should have come out EN MASSE for 19...and they didnt. Whatever the issue is, there will never be any positive change for the young people of this country if we continue to voluntarily silence ourselves on voting day.

Yes, it's very obvious that I was opposed to 19. Still, I have to admit that I felt absolutely no relief from its failure. In fact, I was surprised and disappointed at the lack of determination of my peers. I thought for sure that this would get people to the polls, but I was wrong. Either way, if any of you want to see something happening in 2012 GET OFF YOUR ASS AND HELP MAKE IT HAPPEN. You might not like to hear that, especially coming from some a-hole on the internet but its absa-fucking-lutely true.

I think enough can be learned from 19's flaws and failure to make 2012 a reality. It's flaws divided our community, which was a stupid mistake - how could we possibly expect society at large to accept legislation that so many within the MJ community couldnt? And we aren't just talking about people on the internet, we are talking about ICONS in the MJ community that would not support 19. We (the CA-MJ community) need to present a bill that (mostly) we ALL agree on and will support with conviction, not demagougery, sloganeering and propagandizing.

But, the task will remain the individuals' to keep the intention of the CCHHI true to cause, because now you can bet your moms sweet ass that the pockets for 2012 will run deeper than a double ended dildo.

Keep vigilant, Guardians of the Reefer. Do not let this success render you soft and apathetic.
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Well said, my friend!

I think a thread that explores what would work might be in order.

If nothing else, we'd find out what people want, and the price they're willing to pay to get it.

The state would be well advised to keep its bite small, until the distribution network is in place, and proving popular.

Taxes can be increased over time, unless specifically banned in a Proposition.

I'd like to see a flat 10% tax on all sales, with a stamp like cigarettes have, showing taxes have been collected.

No tax would be better, but that would incite massive funding against any such bill.

Even 10% would be considered very low by anyone familiar with "sin taxes".

Sales taxes are nearly 10% throughout California so I imagine the 10% would be added to the existing sales tax.

Seem high?

Local law enforcement will cite the increased enforcement required, in any case, so maybe by giving something up front, it will blunt their objections' impact.

Just some thoughts.

Maybe someone who has the time can start a P19B thread?

Trimming is going to tie me up for another month.
 
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