Tim Fox
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I got the pleasure of seeing in person some outdoors cannabis plants on big sips and they were monsters 8 feet tall easy and you hand to take allot of steps to walk around one
Can soil compete with hydro yields? Please read
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giglewigle
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thats the plan bro only problem is im a newb lol got some hso blue dream going now ima bout 5 days in i also got some west coest og going 2 weeks in flower furthest iv gotten so far lolSeems like an easy market to own if you got that fire!
The_Enthusiast
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You know what they say about opinions?
They are like an asshole - everybody has one.
I see medicine as a branch of science that has evolved a lot in last 100 years. After a car accident they can fix you up nicely. Antibiotics are great if they are used for severe cases (not "everyday use").
Vaccination is a great concept but is being destroyed by greed and "ALL IN ONE" cocktails that have little research evidence about effect of "few viruses mixed in a tube".
And the cancer of medicine is pharmaceutical industry - where they try to sell you questionable products to use for years just for their profit.
I apologize to OP for this discussion going in a wrong way ... or is it?
Phatlewtz
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Well let me give a tip if you don't mind buddy...patience is the most important skill to have in growing...i've grown the HSO Blue Dream...she definetly yields...mine went 75 days give or take..also 90% of the info here is unscientific bunk...research EVERYTHING anyone says never take it at face value...
Rrog
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The_Enthusiast
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You know.. cancer is a part of evolution as well? It's natural... but is it good?
If you believe you can live a life without antibiotics - be my guest. I used antibiotics last time about 11 years ago - and it was a misdiagnose i had mono... but still i know people that do them on a yearly base...
The bottom line is still, and everybody except you can see it (maybe you are high):
1) hydro has the potential to be better than "soil"
2) hydro is not so environmentally friendly as "soil"
3) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) yield more per m2
4) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) have superior quality
5) hydro is harder to implement correctly
x) /// i had to put this one /// hydro is used in SPACE on a SPACE SHIP/STATION
i rest my case
If you believe you can live a life without antibiotics - be my guest. I used antibiotics last time about 11 years ago - and it was a misdiagnose i had mono... but still i know people that do them on a yearly base...
The bottom line is still, and everybody except you can see it (maybe you are high):
1) hydro has the potential to be better than "soil"
2) hydro is not so environmentally friendly as "soil"
3) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) yield more per m2
4) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) have superior quality
5) hydro is harder to implement correctly
x) /// i had to put this one /// hydro is used in SPACE on a SPACE SHIP/STATION
i rest my case
Rrog
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Chunky Stool
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Hydro is unnatural, just like humans floating around in meat containers (spaceships).You know.. cancer is a part of evolution as well? It's natural... but is it good?
If you believe you can live a life without antibiotics - be my guest. I used antibiotics last time about 11 years ago - and it was a misdiagnose i had mono... but still i know people that do them on a yearly base...
The bottom line is still, and everybody except you can see it (maybe you are high):
1) hydro has the potential to be better than "soil"
2) hydro is not so environmentally friendly as "soil"
3) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) yield more per m2
4) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) have superior quality
5) hydro is harder to implement correctly
x) /// i had to put this one /// hydro is used in SPACE on a SPACE SHIP/STATION
i rest my case
i rest my case
The_Enthusiast
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You forgot carsHydro is unnatural, just like humans floating around in meat containers (spaceships).
i rest my case
- how unnatural
meangreengrowinmachine
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how about everyone on this thread send me samples ill do blind taste tests for everyone (-;
The_Enthusiast
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Its not opinion based if there is a census in the "scientific community" (i can quote you my source if you don't believe this) that roots need oxygen, nutrients and water - you cant have all three in soil @ 100% @ one moment - and this is the stuff that makes hydro what it is (and a fact that plants need less energy to build a satisfactory root system in given time)
I never found a good (reliable) data on growing heirloom strain vegetable soil vs hydro by someone who understands both in same expertise. If you have some data, book, or study please refer me to it (drop a link or a name)
At the moment i tried soil vs hydro weed - in my experience hydro is all round better - again that is my experience, nothing else (to be truthful i had hydro mishaps so it's not forgiving as soil)
I would like to learn new stuff and widen my horizons.
I never found a good (reliable) data on growing heirloom strain vegetable soil vs hydro by someone who understands both in same expertise. If you have some data, book, or study please refer me to it (drop a link or a name)
At the moment i tried soil vs hydro weed - in my experience hydro is all round better - again that is my experience, nothing else (to be truthful i had hydro mishaps so it's not forgiving as soil)
I would like to learn new stuff and widen my horizons.
greasemonkeymann
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Ok, i'll biteYou know.. cancer is a part of evolution as well? It's natural... but is it good?
If you believe you can live a life without antibiotics - be my guest. I used antibiotics last time about 11 years ago - and it was a misdiagnose i had mono... but still i know people that do them on a yearly base...
The bottom line is still, and everybody except you can see it (maybe you are high):
1) hydro has the potential to be better than "soil"
2) hydro is not so environmentally friendly as "soil"
3) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) yield more per m2
4) hydro can (doesn't mean it will) have superior quality
5) hydro is harder to implement correctly
x) /// i had to put this one /// hydro is used in SPACE on a SPACE SHIP/STATION
i rest my case
dying is natural as well, when humans synthesize carcinogens and then are surprised that more and more obscure rare cancers are developing and we wonder why?
kids dying of rare cancers before they get to middle school?
Crazy malignant types of breast and colon cancers that are ten times faster
Oh... and I guaran-fuckin-tee that my organic herb (any many of the growers here) will win any pepsi-challenge with a chelated chem-grow.
hydroponics will NOT even hold a candle to proper organic grow
sure maybe yours will be a bit more dense, and sure it may be a lil more weighty...
but I grow to smoke, not to weight.
antibiotics are creating super bugs because the pharm companies have been using the same types for 50 yrs, for the meats we eat, and for any lil sniffle we get, and allllll that's doing is allowing everything to build UP an immunity to the anitbiotics
If the pharmaceutical companies gave a fraction of the effort that they do for anti-depressants that they did for antibiotics we'd be a lot better off.
also as a blanket statement, cancer could never be classified as natural, considering many, many cancer-causing chemicals are man-made, and far from natural.
but sure..
hang out long enough near some natural uranium or asbestos and yea.. you'll get cancer..
so if that's the case ii suppose we shoudnt worry about air/water/food pollution right?
I mean, after all...
cancer is natural, so lets all spark up a stoogie and chew some Copenhagen..
The_Enthusiast
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Before i had enough money to switch full hydro i had 50:50 soil:hydro... the customers never found a difference....
Chunky Stool
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What is your sample size? (statistics)
Sounds like you compared decent hydro to organic ditchweed.
I have smoked hydro herb that was fantastic, and I've smoked some that totally sucked. Same with organic herb. Unless you grow it yourself under identical conditions, the comparisons are not scientifically valid. (I only mention that because you claim science supports your observations.)
growingforfun
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Rrog, I have to question your real life experience. It's clear you have a lot of opinions based on what you've read.
Do you know dozens of growers and been able to really see the differences in skilled hydro vs skilled soil?
From the things your saying I have to question your hands on experience.
Do you know dozens of growers and been able to really see the differences in skilled hydro vs skilled soil?
From the things your saying I have to question your hands on experience.
Rrog
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meangreengrowinmachine
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also still looking for some guidance on a future SIP build if anyone can point me in the right direction that would be awesome!
greasemonkeymann
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alright, I feel ya there, some don't get their organic grows dialed in at first, and some are also lead astray by false information and techniques (layered supersoil anyone??)
growing is like cooking food, for the basics you can learn pretty quick, but NOTHING replaces experience.
most can cook, but only few can do it well.
and fucking up teaches you more than anything
Get a compost pile, get a wormbin, make your own soil, use it, and you WILL not ever go back
I would bet my substantial reproductive parts on that.
greasemonkeymann
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EDIT-- sorry man
i'll change it, but I do stand by the first part
rrog is a veteran grower here.
I wouldn't question his experience.
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