Can QWISO be soft at room temp?

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ilikecheetoes

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I have some "honey oil" I got from the dispensary. Its very soft. Almost a toffee consistency. I can just poke my pick in it and pull some off. I made some QWISO the other day and its hard as a rock at room temp so I have to break off pieces to use it. Not a problem but I like the gooeyness of the stuff I bought.
Is there a further refining that needs to be done to qwiso or can the gooeyness only be achieved through butane or some other method?

According to this thread by oakly it looks like his QWISO is almost liquid as he stores it in small vials. If I had put my qwiso in a small vial I would never be able to get it back out.

any thoughts?

I have no idea how the stuff I bought is made since bho is a felony in CA I doubt they would tell me if they knew anyway.

The qwiso I made I just air evaped over a couple ddays. Does heating it make it gooey?

how do I get the gooooo!!?
 
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ilikecheetoes

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interesting. Thats not on his method but I'll try it with one of the test runs this weekend. hmm shit I have .5g here still I can try it with.
 
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ilikecheetoes

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now that i have it im not sure what I was thinking. Its basically a mess.
So I have 3 types now. Really hard i guess youd say shatter, this in between toffee type more like a wax and now the gooeyest hot caramel i have now.
I wanted gooey because you dont need your fingernail to break off a dab. This wax stuff would be best. soft enough to dab easy but solid enough it will roll off your finger in a ball.
The stuff I made is way stickyer that that.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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I believe if its still real sticky like that there may still be moisture in it from the alcohol. When I've been making Iso Oil lately it always turns out kinda like an amber colored grease. I usually toss my evaporation dish in the oven set to 220 for a few minutes to try evap any extra moisture out. I would like to make it into shatter so its easier to handle but don't think I'll be able to without a vac chamber and more heat. I bought a small concentrate dish at the cannabis cup that I've been keeping the oil in and it works decently. When one of my containers Ive used is 99% empty I take more alcohol and clean it out when I do my next oil run and add it in, or I'll clean it out with coconut oil and use that as a topical lotion for cuts scars and stuff like that.
 
Kanivers

Kanivers

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My pure ethanol shatter is hard at room temp like a broken brown beer bottle. My BHO is gooey like caramel.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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How do you make your ethanol shatter? I just got a bottle of grain alcohol the other day its in the freezer with the rest of my trim right now.
 
Kanivers

Kanivers

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I do five 45 sec washes
freeze everything like you did
i put 2 oz ea in 5 mason jars frozen overnight.
Work quickly
agitate and strain into container and repeat with all jars
take all 10 oz and pass through a coffee filter
i then cook it down in a double boiler
once it's reduced to about 2 oz of runny liquid I pour it all into my home made vacuum under heat until its reduced down to a hard shatter.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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ilikecheetoes said:
I have some "honey oil" I got from the dispensary. Its very soft. Almost a toffee consistency. I can just poke my pick in it and pull some off. I made some QWISO the other day and its hard as a rock at room temp so I have to break off pieces to use it. Not a problem but I like the gooeyness of the stuff I bought.
Is there a further refining that needs to be done to qwiso or can the gooeyness only be achieved through butane or some other method?

According to this thread by oakly it looks like his QWISO is almost liquid as he stores it in small vials. If I had put my qwiso in a small vial I would never be able to get it back out.

any thoughts?

I have no idea how the stuff I bought is made since bho is a felony in CA I doubt they would tell me if they knew anyway.

The qwiso I made I just air evaped over a couple ddays. Does heating it make it gooey?

how do I get the gooooo!!?
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Three ways to soften it up. Leave some alcohol in it, partially decarboxylate it, or cook it under low heat and vacuum long enough to wax up.

If you put it in a 250F oil bath it will start to decarboxylate and you can remove it and let it cool at any point, to achieve the softer state that you seek. Full decarboxylation is usually thick grease to thick oil and won't harden.

You can also warm your dabber and it make it easer to remove a piece of shatter for dabbing.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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Kanivers said:
I do five 45 sec washes
freeze everything like you did
i put 2 oz ea in 5 mason jars frozen overnight.
Work quickly
agitate and strain into container and repeat with all jars
take all 10 oz and pass through a coffee filter
i then cook it down in a double boiler
once it's reduced to about 2 oz of runny liquid I pour it all into my home made vacuum under heat until its reduced down to a hard shatter.
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Ok so you do vac it, I thought that was the real trick to shatter is the vac time.
 
Kanivers

Kanivers

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Thundercat said:
Ok so you do vac it, I thought that was the real trick to shatter is the vac time.
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im not sure about the vac making it hard. Straight ethanol seems to give a harder end product then winterized butane. I don't know! I'm a newb. Maybe the master will chime in?
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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Thundercat said:
Ok so you do vac it, I thought that was the real trick to shatter is the vac time.
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The oil starts out as hard carboxylic acid and softens from heat and solvent during processing.

The real trick to shatter, is to remove the solvent while retaining the oil in carboxylic acid form.

To retain the oil in carboxylic acid form requires purging with low heat, or the oil will decarboxylate.

We like to process thin films under a 29.5" vacuum and 115F, to rapidly remove the solvent, while holding on to the lighter mono and sesquiterpenes.

As soon as the solvent bubbles stop, and only C02 decarboxylation bubbles remain, we remove it and let it cool.
 
Thundercat

Thundercat

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From what you posted, and I've read else were my oil is fully decarb'd and thats why it always comes out like a thick amber grease. I'm not complaining, I think its pretty nice stuff great flavor and very little chlorophyll, I just think shatter is prolly easier to handle and manipulate. When I make my next batch I'm gonna try whipping it to see if it will turn into wax.
 
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