can all mites be treated the same?

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modene

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Ive been having some issues lately with curling/twisting and yellowing/browning of leaves. Checked under the leaves with 100x microscope and found little clear/milky eggs. I don't see any webbing nor can I find anything moving around but lots of what looks to be eggs scattered around. I started adding aspirin as recommended. Ive got some doctor doom bombs/spray and no pest strips on the way but I'm wondering how I can be sure what it is or does it even matter would I treat cyclamen/broad/spider mites the same way?
Here's the best photo I could get under the scope if anyone could diagnose based on that. Need some advice before things get any worse
 

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BenFranklin

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Get Azamax...

IF you're using hydro, add a tablespoon to a 5 gallon bucket. It will do weird things to the plant, but, the mites eat the plant and die.

That simple.

If you're using soil, use the recommended values provided on the label. Feed the roots., don't spray the shit on the plants.

It'll take a few days for it to act. Then in 2 weeks, reapply, as the mites have a 2 week life cycle.
 
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modene

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BenFranklin said:
Get Azamax...

IF you're using hydro, add a tablespoon to a 5 gallon bucket. It will do weird things to the plant, but, the mites eat the plant and die.

That simple.

If you're using soil, use the recommended values provided on the label. Feed the roots., don't spray the shit on the plants.

It'll take a few days for it to act. Then in 2 weeks, reapply, as the mites have a 2 week life cycle.
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Do u know what they are? Or will this work on all mites? Thanks for suggesting something in my budget lol ive been going through forums looking at what people suggest most of this stuff is 300 a bottle and I wouldn't kno where to find. I can get bottle of azamax for $30 so I'm OK with that but I wanna make sure I'm treating the right thing.
 
BenFranklin

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modene said:
Do u know what they are? Or will this work on all mites? Thanks for suggesting something in my budget lol ive been going through forums looking at what people suggest most of this stuff is 300 a bottle and I wouldn't kno where to find. I can get bottle of azamax for $30 so I'm OK with that but I wanna make sure I'm treating the right thing.
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Azamax with NEEM oil, will kill ANYTHING that eats your plants. The best part is that it's perfectly safe and organic for human consumption. Don't spray it on the plants though, though, Azamax when sprayed, kills the mites through suffocation, it has been suggested by some on these forums that mites will breed up a resistance to Azamax.

I find this hard to believe and have not encountered this problem yet, after 4 years of using it. Nothing is resistant to NEEM oil as far as I know.
 
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Glaucoma

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Spider mites are a big problem where I am.

I'm a predator fan. I use live ladybugs.

All you need is to keep a few in your grow space as a preventative. I keep a can of them in my fridge. Once you get some that are a new generation, it's been said that they stay near where they were born.. So far I agree. I've had some serious die hards that stayed around for the entire grow.
 
Dr. Who

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YES,,,,,,Forbid 4F is the best thing out there......PERIOD!

Broad Mites are tough to kill with many other solutions. Many solutions involve having to spray the bottom of the leaves. Many solutions are HARD on the plant !

Forbid solves ALL those problems by 1 simple "light" spraying on the tops of the leaves !

Forbid is NOT a poison and has no effect on humans except possible allergic reactions to eye's and skin contact.
Read the MSDS or google "Forbid half life in plants" for great details on it.
Mites do NOT get a "tolerance" to forbid

After having mite problems and being pissed at slow/ineffective/tolerance building/pain to use/POISONOUS products.
I broke down and tried Forbid.....I have not had mites in years now. Be sure to clean the grow and keep it that way!
 
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modene

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BenFranklin said:
Azamax with NEEM oil, will kill ANYTHING that eats your plants. The best part is that it's perfectly safe and organic for human consumption. Don't spray it on the plants though, though, Azamax when sprayed, kills the mites through suffocation, it has been suggested by some on these forums that mites will breed up a resistance to Azamax.

I find this hard to believe and have not encountered this problem yet, after 4 years of using it. Nothing is resistant to NEEM oil as far as I know.
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Sorry are you saying to use azamax AND neem oil combined or azamax has neem oil? Seems like i would need alot if im mixing this into every watering or is it just a one time use?Does it matter which brand neem oil to get are some in higher concentration?
 
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modene

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Dr. Who said:
YES,,,,,,Forbid 4F is the best thing out there......PERIOD!

Broad Mites are tough to kill with many other solutions. Many solutions involve having to spray the bottom of the leaves. Many solutions are HARD on the plant !

Forbid solves ALL those problems by 1 simple "light" spraying on the tops of the leaves !

Forbid is NOT a poison and has no effect on humans except possible allergic reactions to eye's and skin contact.
Read the MSDS or google "Forbid half life in plants" for great details on it.
Mites do NOT get a "tolerance" to forbid

After having mite problems and being pissed at slow/ineffective/tolerance building/pain to use/POISONOUS products.
I broke down and tried Forbid.....I have not had mites in years now. Be sure to clean the grow and keep it that way!
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I was looking into ordering forbid but its a pretty high cost for me right now and half flower room is at 7 weeks. I'll probably break down and try in a couple weeks when I can get some money together and move the girls out.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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modene said:
I was looking into ordering forbid but its a pretty high cost for me right now and half flower room is at 7 weeks. I'll probably break down and try in a couple weeks when I can get some money together and move the girls out.
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Look for small more affordable amounts on ebay ! Like this one for $28

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-1-2-oz-Forbid-4F-miticide-Insecticide-ovacide-Mites-Whiteflies-agave-AVID-/251577812409?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9334c5b9

OR this one for $14.50

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-1-4-Forbid-4F-miticide-w-purchase-lightning-shipping-agave-AVID-floramite-/261527756028?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce444dcfc


It only takes 8 drops of the concentrate for 1 gallon of spray ready fluid !
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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modene said:
Sorry are you saying to use azamax AND neem oil combined or azamax has neem oil? Seems like i would need alot if im mixing this into every watering or is it just a one time use?Does it matter which brand neem oil to get are some in higher concentration?
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Azamax has Neem oil.. look it up on line. It's great stuff, totally organic and VERY safe, leaves no taste.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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AzaMax is made from special Azadirachtin Technical extracted using patented extraction technology from Neem, a tree known for it's innumerable benefits.


MODE OF ACTION:AzaMax® Botanical Insecticide, Miticide, and Nematicide controls

target pests on contact or by ingestion. The product acts on pests by way of repellence, anti-feedance, and interference with the molting process.

Azadirachtin, an insect growth regulator (IGR), mimics the pests’ hormones and disrupts distinct stages of growth and development of insects and mites. The primary mode of action of azadirachtin is an interference with synthesis and metabolism of ecdysone and the juvenile hormone. Ecdysone is the molting hormone of insects, and azadirachtin can regulate growth leading to death before or during molting.

AzaMax® will provide control results comparable to the synthetic insecticide standards. AzaMax® provides broad spectrum control with very low environmental impact. AzaMax® provides all the benefits of azadirachtin, a proven anti-feedant, insect growth regulator (IGR), anti-ovipository, and repellant, as well as a toxin to soft bodied insect larvae.

The active ingredient in AzaMax® - Azadirachtin – is a unique botanical insecticide, miticide and nematicide.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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You're not in a situation where you need something "Fast acting" like a spray would be... You'll lose more leaves over the course of the grow due to "nature" than you will from mites, waiting for Azamax to act through the roots.

If you want to by all means, spray them too... to get the main infestation off.

I personally would save it for later. It's not exactly the cheapest stuff in the world.

By the way, this is in no way a "diss" on Dr. Who or a negative debate in anyway what so ever, I am not saying "My way is the highway" I've never used the stuff that he is recommending, so I can't not speak towards it.

For me in my situation Azamax worked great.
 
BenFranklin

BenFranklin

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Ohh yeh, the GREAT part about Azamax if you use it as a "Drench", it won't kill the beneficial bugs that eat mites. If you spray, it might not be beneficial to the beneficials... LOL!

I like the idea of having an "anti-feedant" in my plants "system" that when bugs eat it, they die.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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No problem my friend,,,No "diss" taken ! We supply what works for us.
Forbid is the end of the line for when nothing else is working for you.....It works so well, That I keep it on hand for just in case.
The nice thing is it kills ALL stages of mite growth by blocking the lipid or fat synthisis from them so they dry up,,,,eggs TOO!

It does take a few days to work,,so be patient.....
 
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modene

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How do you mix Azamax to drench? I'm trying to calculate how much I would need is it one ounce per gallon? And would I just need to water once with azamax or continuously over a week for it to be effective?
 
Deusracing

Deusracing

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modene said:
Ive been having some issues lately with curling/twisting and yellowing/browning of leaves. Checked under the leaves with 100x microscope and found little clear/milky eggs. I don't see any webbing nor can I find anything moving around but lots of what looks to be eggs scattered around. I started adding aspirin as recommended. Ive got some doctor doom bombs/spray and no pest strips on the way but I'm wondering how I can be sure what it is or does it even matter would I treat cyclamen/broad/spider mites the same way?
Here's the best photo I could get under the scope if anyone could diagnose based on that. Need some advice before things get any worse
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Guardian spray works best all organic guy in michigan makes it you interested shoot me a message
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Dr. Who said:
Look for small more affordable amounts on ebay ! Like this one for $28

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-1-2-oz-Forbid-4F-miticide-Insecticide-ovacide-Mites-Whiteflies-agave-AVID-/251577812409?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9334c5b9

OR this one for $14.50

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FREE-1-4-Forbid-4F-miticide-w-purchase-lightning-shipping-agave-AVID-floramite-/261527756028?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ce444dcfc


It only takes 8 drops of the concentrate for 1 gallon of spray ready fluid !
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Well with an easy link for ordering, how could I not order some just to have on hand? Thanks for the peace of mind!
 
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