California judge order sex change to proceed

(Reuters) - A federal judge in San Francisco on Thursday ruled that California must provide sex reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate, calling denial of the procedure a violation of constitutional rights.

U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar wrote in his 38-page order that the state was violating the constitutional rights of Michelle-Lael Norsworthy, who was convicted of second-degree murder in April 1987, by not providing
the operation.



Let the discussion begin....

Massachusetts just went through the same thing over the last couple years but they courts ruled the state DOESN'T have the responsibility to provide the surgery.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/12/16/federal-appeals-court-overturns-ruling-ordering-sex-change-surgery-for-mass-prison-inmate/WqBuLuGI14yZ6nVoFCIfjK/story.html

Maybe some precedent CA can use?

It does appear the judge in California has confused the persons right to get a sex change operation with the idea that the person somehow has a right to insist others pay for it. Which of course would violate the rights of the persons paying for it.

I think this is silly. No, the state does not have to pay for a snip-tuck, but should allow the inmate to go through with the procedure, so long as they (the patient) can pay for it. Even then, I'm on the fence of even allowing them to have the procedure while incarcerated, no matter who pays for it. Incarceration needs to mean something.

Rob Roy said:

It does appear the judge in California has confused the persons right to get a sex change operation with the idea that the person somehow has a right to insist others pay for it. Which of course would violate the rights of the persons paying for it.

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i think you are just using your philosophy as a veneer for your bigotry yet again.

UncleBuck said:

i think you are just using your philosophy as a veneer for your bigotry yet again.

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You might find this helpful.

Would they also have to put them in with the female population after the surgery?

This is the most bullshit news I've heard although if the tax payer doesn't have to pick up the bill then be my guest, slice that fucker right down the middle , shove the rest up what must be a horrid looking orifice and put that little bitch where he belongs, with the women.

dbkick said:

This is the most bullshit news I've heard although if the tax payer doesn't have to pick up the bill then be my guest, slice that fucker right down the middle , shove the rest up what must be a horrid looking orifice and put that little bitch where he belongs, with the women.

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why does he deserve to be treated like he's not even a human just because he has a gender identity issue?

I said as long as I don't have to pay for any of it I'm fine with it.

dbkick said:

I said as long as I don't have to pay for any of it I'm fine with it.

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how do you feel about the fact that schizophrenic prisoners get meds for their psychosis on your dollar as well?

is that more OK since it is not a gender identity issue?

should we treat anyone convicted of a crime as less than human, less deserving of rights?

should we subject people with mental illnesses or gender identity issues to cruel and unusual punishment?

is that what is so good about america?

UncleBuck said:

how do you feel about the fact that schizophrenic prisoners get meds for their psychosis on your dollar as well?

is that more OK since it is not a gender identity issue?

should we treat anyone convicted of a crime as less than human, less deserving of rights?

should we subject people with mental illnesses or gender identity issues to cruel and unusual punishment?

is that what is so good about america?

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Man these fucking health insurance companies wouldn't even pay for the cialis a FEMALE friend needed to maintain her life, she died, Fuck the convicted criminals and funding anything but bread , water and some good strong bars.

dbkick said:

Man these fucking health insurance companies wouldn't even pay for the cialis a FEMALE friend needed to maintain her life, she died, Fuck the convicted criminals and funding anything but bread , water and some good strong bars.

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OK, so we have one vote for stripping away all mental health protections for criminals, thereby making prison more dangerous and subjecting these people to cruel and unusual punishment, against the word of the constitution and the principles upon which america was founded.

gender dysphoria is a condition listed in the DSM-V, just like schizophrenia or any other mental health condition which requires treatment.

to single this out and make a thread about it, or to come into this thread with such fierce hostility, is truly an easy way to identify bigots.

Didn't even address the health insurance not paying for a life sustaining drug because . I suppose you'd consider it off topic. Typical. I'm sure Being perfect ain't easy.

dbkick said:

Didn't even address the health insurance not paying for a life sustaining drug because . I suppose you'd consider it off topic. Typical. I'm sure Being perfect ain't easy.

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not even relevant to the discussion.

UncleBuck said:

not even relevant to the discussion.

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In a way yes. the way it went, in a way no.
You carry on man.

BDOGKush said:

Would they also have to put them in with the female population after the surgery?

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Yes.

I say let them have the operation and leave them with the men lol

Hard for me to argue for the rights of a murderer.

UncleBuck said:

how do you feel about the fact that schizophrenic prisoners get meds for their psychosis on your dollar as well?

is that more OK since it is not a gender identity issue?

should we treat anyone convicted of a crime as less than human, less deserving of rights?

should we subject people with mental illnesses or gender identity issues to cruel and unusual punishment?

is that what is so good about america?

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Nah, you should punish those who have nothing to do with the situation instead. Oh, and give the government more power to throw more people in jail please. Because it's what's needed.

Rob Roy said:

(Reuters) - A federal judge in San Francisco on Thursday ruled that California must provide sex reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate, calling denial of the procedure a violation of constitutional rights.

U.S. District Judge Jon Tigar wrote in his 38-page order that the state was violating the constitutional rights of Michelle-Lael Norsworthy, who was convicted of second-degree murder in April 1987, by not providing
the operation.

Let the discussion begin....

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If that's true, that's some fucked up shit...on many levels.