California here we come - later Colorado!

MzHerbalistFarmer

Active Member
So, with all the new laws and regulations regarding caregivers and selling extra medicine to other patients and dispensaries we are seriously considering moving to CA! We have been looking around in Grass Valley and up in the mountain area around there and we really like the prices (a lot cheaper than here) and the area is nice from what we can see... is there anywhere else in CA y'all would suggest that is medical marijuana friendly and is close to the mountains?! Preferably in the mountains....

Thanks in advance :joint:
 

Luger187

Well-Known Member
Why do you say vote NO on Prop 19?
richard lee has put millions of his own money into the bill. that is because he is planning(and already got the permit for) a HUGE grow factory. it is expected to produce over a hundred pounds a week. they will be supplying most of californias pot
sure, it sounds good on the surface. but what happens to the industry?

first, he will only grow a handful of strains because that makes things easier for him to grow it. that means there wont be the massive assortment of strains we have now from the medical community.

second, it only allows a one ounce limit for possession. right now i can have 8 ounces. there is also going to be a tax on it. so, if u buy it on the street, or simply dont have a receipt when u get pulled over, that can get u in trouble. for not paying taxes

third, the prop forces anyone without a permit(basically everyone) to only grow in a 5 by 5 growing area, or 25 sq ft. this i find ridiculous

so.... since we cant really grow much ourselves(25sq ft), where r we forced to get it from? those giant pot factories. they could then charge almost whatever they want because they have almost all of the market.

just read the law, and u will see whats hidden in it. we dont need it. its that simple. we've got it good now

dont let them trick u under the guise of "legalization"
 

MzHerbalistFarmer

Active Member
richard lee has put millions of his own money into the bill. that is because he is planning(and already got the permit for) a HUGE grow factory. it is expected to produce over a hundred pounds a week. they will be supplying most of californias pot
sure, it sounds good on the surface. but what happens to the industry?

first, he will only grow a handful of strains because that makes things easier for him to grow it. that means there wont be the massive assortment of strains we have now from the medical community.

second, it only allows a one ounce limit for possession. right now i can have 8 ounces. there is also going to be a tax on it. so, if u buy it on the street, or simply dont have a receipt when u get pulled over, that can get u in trouble. for not paying taxes

third, the prop forces anyone without a permit(basically everyone) to only grow in a 5 by 5 growing area, or 25 sq ft. this i find ridiculous

so.... since we cant really grow much ourselves(25sq ft), where r we forced to get it from? those giant pot factories. they could then charge almost whatever they want because they have almost all of the market.

just read the law, and u will see whats hidden in it. we dont need it. its that simple. we've got it good now

dont let them trick u under the guise of "legalization"
Damn - that sucks. I wasn't aware that was the case. It seems better to stay here in CO if it passes....
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
richard lee has put millions of his own money into the bill. that is because he is planning(and already got the permit for) a HUGE grow factory. it is expected to produce over a hundred pounds a week. they will be supplying most of californias pot
sure, it sounds good on the surface. but what happens to the industry?
quit trying to scare people. It's projected to produce 58 pounds per week and that won't even put a dent in California's cannabis market.

Who says people will want to buy that much shitty weed anyways?

first, he will only grow a handful of strains because that makes things easier for him to grow it. that means there wont be the massive assortment of strains we have now from the medical community.
lol @ Richard Lee forcing everyone to give up all their strains.

second, it only allows a one ounce limit for possession. right now i can have 8 ounces. there is also going to be a tax on it. so, if u buy it on the street, or simply dont have a receipt when u get pulled over, that can get u in trouble. for not paying taxes
That's a complete lie. Prop 19 specifically protects a medical patients rights to possess cannabis. And no where in prop 19 does it say you have to carry your receipt on you.

If prop 19 was really that bad this guy wouldn't have to lie to oppose it.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Damn - that sucks. I wasn't aware that was the case. It seems better to stay here in CO if it passes....
That's not the case. He's lying. He's probably either making huge profits off of prohibition or has been told misinformation by people making large profits off of prohibition. He's lying and I can prove it.
 

MzHerbalistFarmer

Active Member
That's not the case. He's lying. He's probably either making huge profits off of prohibition or has been told misinformation by people making large profits off of prohibition. He's lying and I can prove it.
Thanks so much - so what is the deal?!? We need to be able to make some profit... can we sell it "freely to dispensaries" out there? If so what do you need? Not trying to go searching for people who want some chronic for a good price!
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Thanks so much - so what is the deal?!?
The deal is that prop 19 addresses recreational cannabis law, not medical. In my opinion the biggest benefit of the law to everyone (medical, legal, illegal alike) is that it makes it much more difficult to bust people for any cannabis related issues. It prohibits state/local police from cooperating with the DEA on cannabis cases. It removes most of the probable cause/reasonable suspicion which leads to busts. For example the single most common method of busting people is a cop saying "i smell marijuana" when someone answers the door. That form of probable cause is eliminated with prop 19. Cannabis smell, will be just a smell, empty baggies, nutrient bottle, etc become just trash instead of evidence.

Prop 19 also allows you to form your own for profit legal corporation to do commercial grows or sales. It's not only Richard Lee who's allowed to do this, anyone with a permit can do so.

As far as the claims of prop 19 taking away a medical patient's rights to possess medicine, that claim is 100% fiction. Here is the proof. Quoting from the text of prop 19;

Ensure that if a city decides not to tax and regulate the sale of cannabis, that buying and selling cannabis within that city's limits remain illegal, but that the city's citizens still have the right to possess and consume small amounts, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9
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Health and Safety Section 11362.5 = prop 215 (which is the law our medical cannabis laws are based on).

As you can see prop 19 specifically exempts medical cannabis law. There are a lot of people with their own motivations for wanting to keep prohibition in place.A lot of people have bought into these lies without reading the prop for themselves. When someone says that prop 19 is going to take away medical patients rights, don't believe them.

We need to be able to make some profit... can we sell it "freely to dispensaries" out there? If so what do you need? Not trying to go searching for people who want some chronic for a good price!
Effectively, yes. Technically it's illegal for growers to sell bud to a dispensary, it always has been. But what is legal is for you as a member of their collective to sell your bud on consignment. Basically, you drop off your bud at the dispensary, get an IOU for the agreed upon price, and then get paid usually 1-4 weeks later. (usually 1-2 weeks)

Nothing in prop 19 changes this. Some dispensaries will be permitted to grow their own under prop 19, some will not and will continue to rely on medical vendors. Depending on where you grow you can grow up to 99 plants/100 sq feet per patient in California.

Here is a list of the current county laws and guidelines. If you stay under these limits, you'll be all good.

http://www.safeaccessnow.net/countyguidelines.htm

Here is a link to the text of prop 19 so you can see it for yourself if you'd like. http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Text_of_Proposition_19,_the_%22Regulate,_Control_and_Tax_Cannabis_Act_of_2010%22_(California)

If you have any questions about the medical business/regulations, prop 19, or anything else feel free to ask me any time.
 

V 8 ENGINES

New Member
Take a deep breath.. relax.. prop 19 will not pass. I will keep my thoughts about it of this thread...

I would suggest you move to Sonoma county. Plant limit is at 25 and there is a lot less drama then in lake,mendocino, and humboldt county.

Sonoma county has heavily wooded areas for your guerrilla grow, excellent weather (watch out for powder mildue, i swear its from the vineyards) and the cops are VERY supportive if you grow your limit and act responsible. Keep in mind you can get VERY HIGH yields off of 25 plants.
 

Grnthum

Active Member
I live in Northern CA and we are voting yes. I do not believe the price will go up, in fact it will more than likely go down due to more suppliers. The basic law of supply and demand. Some growers do not want it to be legalized because they are afraid the price will go down and cut into their profits. There are so many legal growers now that CA exports pot to other states for their medical dispensaries. Some medical growers don't want any more competition.
If you are worried just grow your own. As you all know it is very easy to grow inside or outside. I have no intention of buying any. I grow enough in the summer in my back yard to supply myself for the year. Whether it passes or not I will still supply myself. 25 sq. feet can produce a whole lot of great bud and I doubt anyone is going to come out and measure it. I do not believe it will end peoples ability to grow for other med. patients. There are many large legal grows especially in CA.
I am 100% pro legalization.
 

Grnthum

Active Member
quit trying to scare people. It's projected to produce 58 pounds per week and that won't even put a dent in California's cannabis market.

Who says people will want to buy that much shitty weed anyways?



lol @ Richard Lee forcing everyone to give up all their strains.



That's a complete lie. Prop 19 specifically protects a medical patients rights to possess cannabis. And no where in prop 19 does it say you have to carry your receipt on you.

If prop 19 was really that bad this guy wouldn't have to lie to oppose it.
You are exactly right! I don't appreciate those that try to scare others into voting no, which is voting against their own interest.
 

Grnthum

Active Member
Sonoma County rocks and you are correct the cops are very supportive if you are responsible. I have never had a problem with law enforcement here and my plants do fantastic in this weather. I have never had a problem with mildew, but you are right you need to keep an eye on it due to the marine layer and cooler temps than the valley.
 
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