Bushmaster - is it legit?

Got some plants I let veg maybe a bit too long.... I'm concerned now that maybe if I don't get things into check quick, I'm gonna get too much of a stretch and hit the top of my tent.

I know most suggest LST but prolly not a real option for me so, any other ideas? They veging under 600 HPS, would dropping the light to maybe a 450 watt T5 for first two weeks of veg slow things up a Tad (and not cause herm ?).

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Id suggest lst or topping. Some say dont top during flowering, but it stops the stretch and it doesnt grow two branches. It just focuses its energy else where

So... bushmaster is a bad product?

NPK industries just came out with new products "stack" and "multiply"..they said it kind of does what bushmaster/gravity/phosphoload does but is safe ...

gagekko said:

Got some plants I let veg maybe a bit too long.... I'm concerned now that maybe if I don't get things into check quick, I'm gonna get too much of a stretch and hit the top of my tent.

I know most suggest LST but prolly not a real option for me so, any other ideas? They veging under 600 HPS, would dropping the light to maybe a 450 watt T5 for first two weeks of veg slow things up a Tad (and not cause herm ?).

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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yes its legit and works great give it one dose at 1ml per gallon works great and stops stretch dead makes it bushier and starts flower faster. Give it a try and yes its fairly safe and is used in some food crops.

I'm not sure if it's just for Oregon, but right from that website:

"ODA has placed two products, both from the California company Emerald Triangle– Humboldt County’s Own Bushmaster and Humboldt County’s Own Gravity Flower Hardener– on a statewide stop sale order after laboratory analysis showed the products contained significant amounts of a plant growth regulator, paclobutrazol, which requires registration with the US Environmental Protection Agency.

Products containing paclobutrazol must be registered as pesticides, and may not be applied to crops used for food or animal feed."

It's also been banned in all of Australia, and...Canada? I'm not sure on that last one...

But yeah, if states and even whole countries are banning it for being harmful, why risk it?

Besides, there are alternatives out there that don't use paclobutrazol.

Well, thank you all for responding... I think I'll give it a try as I'm growing for only personal use - I'll be a guinea pig on this one

gagekko said:

Well, thank you all for responding... I think I'll give it a try as I'm growing for only personal use - I'll be a guinea pig on this one

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Why would you use yourself as a guinea pig in injecting a product with carcinogens known to cause neurological disorders. Are you growing medicine or poison?

ive never used bushmaster, so i cannot say, but if u want to minimize stretch, keep phosphorus low during the first 3 weeks of 12/12. in otherwords, use vegetative nutes during this 3 week period, then swirch to flowering nutes once the stretch has stopped.

-C

PJ Diaz said:

Why would you use yourself as a guinea pig in injecting a product with carcinogens known to cause neurological disorders. Are you growing medicine or poison?

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Haha... prolly 75% of medical smokers also smoke cigarettes but yet thats okay? All gotta die sometime Reg...

blacksun said:

I'm not sure if it's just for Oregon, but right from that website:

"ODA has placed two products, both from the California company Emerald Triangle– Humboldt County’s Own Bushmaster and Humboldt County’s Own Gravity Flower Hardener– on a statewide stop sale order after laboratory analysis showed the products contained significant amounts of a plant growth regulator, paclobutrazol, which requires registration with the US Environmental Protection Agency.

Products containing paclobutrazol must be registered as pesticides, and may not be applied to crops used for food or animal feed."

It's also been banned in all of Australia, and...Canada? I'm not sure on that last one...

But yeah, if states and even whole countries are banning it for being harmful, why risk it?

Besides, there are alternatives out there that don't use paclobutrazol.

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Agree not to use it. I am a farmer and use many pesticides on the farm. But PBT is not one of them. IMO its bad stuff, really bad stuff.....

gagekko said:

Got some plants I let veg maybe a bit too long.... I'm concerned now that maybe if I don't get things into check quick, I'm gonna get too much of a stretch and hit the top of my tent.

I know most suggest LST but prolly not a real option for me so, any other ideas? They veging under 600 HPS, would dropping the light to maybe a 450 watt T5 for first two weeks of veg slow things up a Tad (and not cause herm ?).

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Less light the first few weeks of flower(assuming you meant flower and not veg)will only make them stretch more in most cases. Topping, trainging and lsting the first few weeks of 12/12 until its over is about your only option....

Peaceness said:

ive never used bushmaster, so i cannot say, but if u want to minimize stretch, keep phosphorus low during the first 3 weeks of 12/12. in otherwords, use vegetative nutes during this 3 week period, then swirch to flowering nutes once the stretch has stopped.

-C

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This is also an option that works in some cases...and keep the light spectrum cooler the first few weeks then switch to a warmer spectrum...red light helps trigger the elongation..

Oh yeah, and for the alternative:

Use triacontanol (I think I spelled that right...?).

It occurs *naturally* and *organically* in alfalfa.

blacksun said:

Oh yeah, and for the alternative:

Use triacontanol (I think I spelled that right...?).

It occurs *naturally* and *organically* in alfalfa.

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Thanks a bunch! Will be looking into this one really closely.

anyone try BushLoad.... i love the name lol

gagekko said:

Haha... prolly 75% of medical smokers also smoke cigarettes but yet thats okay? All gotta die sometime Reg...

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yeah probably these organic thumpers too, little do they know their "healthy alternative" to synthetically grown shit contains more heavy metals .

blacksun said:

Oh yeah, and for the alternative:

Use triacontanol (I think I spelled that right...?).

It occurs *naturally* and *organically* in alfalfa.

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You are correct it occurs naturally and is a growth regulator. But more in the stimulation department, so its use to control stretch? I dont know...as much as I believe in its uses around the garden. The jury is still out on it in the real world. Heres a link that is a good read on it.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejournals/JARS/v36n3/v36n3-hinerman.htm


EDIT: experiment #2 in the read has interested me for some time, especially one part of it. And why it works for me in my garden and house plants. Well water at 7.8 or so and a ppm of 275 with a slightly high total alkalinity with plenty of calcium.

I just used bushmaster and can say it does in fact do what it claims. dunno that I'll be using it again because I did see some strange growth but onset of flowering def shows sooner. The only reason I used it this time is because I let them get a little too tall in veg and was worried about stretch.