Bushmaster and Gravity Questions? +rep for good advice

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cerberus

cerberus

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Uncle Ben said:
I'm "harsh" because you don't like my message.

So you think the non-partisan lab results conducted by the State of Washington Department of Agriculture is bullshit while the Humboldt money grabbers are legit?

In a nutshell, you're a fuckin' idiot.

UB
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yeah, I'm not for gravity, and I posted that because it was mentioned that it couldn't be found.. check the site douche bag, they do that with almost every agg product on the market.. but keep pushing to prove your right..


"with 100 times more zinc content determined by the wa dept of Ag before they determine it "unhealthy". Meaning any notion of metal content bulikng flowers in Gravity is thrown out the window. "

my point exactly, this WA dept of agg has nothing to do with a pot grow company..
 
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dlively11

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Uncle Ben said:
I'm "harsh" because you don't like my message.

So you think the non-partisan lab results conducted by the State of Washington Department of Agriculture is bullshit while the Humboldt money grabbers are legit?

In a nutshell, you're a fuckin' idiot.

UB
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Nope I said you are quite a few steps beyond harsh as another poster mentioned. I simply said you have gone Charlie Sheen on this forum lol
 
hoagtech

hoagtech

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Damn guys half this shit has nothing to do with bushmaster or gravity. If you like it, make your point if you don't, dont make comments. They are not helpful. talking shit about gravity or bushmaster is however. Nothing wrong with saying "fuck this product". stay on topic
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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To touch on the heavy metal thing.
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=10286

They don't have zinc listed.
Of the heavy metals listed, there is a whopping 1.39ppm of metals in the bottle. Then this is cut down by adding less than 1ml of it per gallon of clean water. At that concentration, you're using all of 0.000368ppm of metals. We're talking about 0.000000037% of the final solution being a heavy metal.

Considering what is contained in your tap water, or in that sushi you ate, or that sweet 1900's Balder cap... You are TRIPPING saying that the metals are what is adding weight to the plants. The amount of metal provided to the plants for uptake isn't even a millionth of a gram. Entertaining this thought is ridiculous.

Before going for the hardcore method of keeping plants shorter with Bushmaster I'm using sea kelp extract this time around. I'll probably give Bushmaster a shot in a grow or two depending on how well this works so I can compare both methods. You know, so I can be educated by experience rather than talking out of the wrong end.

I have run Gravity for the last few grows, stuff works exactly as advertised. For me, I get flowers stacking on flowers. I usually use it in my reservoir for 2 feedings at about 0.5ml/gallon or less. I drop my EC about 30% but I don't move the lights. Burning has happened before but has not happened in other grows. Depends more on the strain and pheno how it will react in my experience. Definitely invigorates and stimulates flowering forcing the plant to throw out tighter nugs.

I am also going to be using Snow Storm. For me, it is all about having top grade medical herb. The difference maker can be quantity of Cannabinoids on the plant. More resin, more high, less used. So if I can take my resin production up say 10% to 20% with a $10 bottle of stuff (given good reviews and everything else they make working as advertised) then I'm all for it. If not... then it is no sweat off my back and I can let other people know how the product works based on my experiences.
 
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dlively11

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Snow Crash said:
To touch on the heavy metal thing.
http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=10286

They don't have zinc listed.
Of the heavy metals listed, there is a whopping 1.39ppm of metals in the bottle. Then this is cut down by adding less than 1ml of it per gallon of clean water. At that concentration, you're using all of 0.000368ppm of metals. We're talking about 0.000000037% of the final solution being a heavy metal.

Considering what is contained in your tap water, or in that sushi you ate, or that sweet 1900's Balder cap... You are TRIPPING saying that the metals are what is adding weight to the plants. The amount of metal provided to the plants for uptake isn't even a millionth of a gram. Entertaining this thought is ridiculous.

Before going for the hardcore method of keeping plants shorter with Bushmaster I'm using sea kelp extract this time around. I'll probably give Bushmaster a shot in a grow or two depending on how well this works so I can compare both methods. You know, so I can be educated by experience rather than talking out of the wrong end.

I have run Gravity for the last few grows, stuff works exactly as advertised. For me, I get flowers stacking on flowers. I usually use it in my reservoir for 2 feedings at about 0.5ml/gallon or less. I drop my EC about 30% but I don't move the lights. Burning has happened before but has not happened in other grows. Depends more on the strain and pheno how it will react in my experience. Definitely invigorates and stimulates flowering forcing the plant to throw out tighter nugs.

I am also going to be using Snow Storm. For me, it is all about having top grade medical herb. The difference maker can be quantity of Cannabinoids on the plant. More resin, more high, less used. So if I can take my resin production up say 10% to 20% with a $10 bottle of stuff (given good reviews and everything else they make working as advertised) then I'm all for it. If not... then it is no sweat off my back and I can let other people know how the product works based on my experiences.
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I agree 100%

For Gravity in hydro you can use up to 2 ML per gal. I have been using 2 ML per gal for week 5,6 and 7. The directions used to state 1-2 ML for hydro then they changed it to 1/2 - 1 ML. I didnt get nearly as good of results with 1 ML per gal and went back to 2 ML. Last few harvest are back to the way they used to be. Try it at 1-2 ML and see for yourself. FYI I have PPMs at 1400 when I use it in week 5 and 1100 week 6 &7. Dont move lights at all. I also use it with 1 ML Snow Storm and full bloom boosters.
 
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Back2Basics

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Hi. Did I get this right?

Bushmaster can help temporarily pause the growth spurt/stretch associated with the flip to flowering. At the same time it also helps promote bloom, there by shaving off time in flowering?

Gravity, for whatever is in the bottle, makes the actual nugs denser and heavier?

A lot of stuff out there is arguably snake oil?

Because by that argument, weed itself is snake oil correct? What I mean is, for someone seeking relief from glaucoma, getting the munchies from a burnt plant is pointless and therefor the weed is snakeoil. Or perhaps someone with insomnia was given a very high grade Sativa. Didn't help him sleep, no munchies, didn't help with pain...snake oil right?

My sister in law, educated woman, works for a cancer research center. When I asked her opinion of Phoenix Tears and Rick Simpson, she told me that weed made her puke in high school and has no place in "real" medicine. (I said she was my in-law, I didn't say I was fond of her.) "Snake oil" seems to be used when an appropriate adjective fails the speaker, or the speaker is unable to state that they have no knowledge, is unable to speak intelligently on the subject, or has just flat out not educated themselves on the topic on hand because it has yet to be profitable to them and/or their needs. Not only financially, but it would be a waste of their time to have to point out every single detail as to why they choose to classify it as "snake oil", when the other half of the debate is so clearly eager to press what little knowledge they have of the subject matter. Weed itself is snake oil? Fine. But I'm learning the difference between indica snake oil, sative snake oil, hybrid snake oil, ingesting snake oil, topical applications of snake oil... (which reminds me, there is a sliiiight difference between Hair Tonic and a Gin & Tonic. But "Tonics" are all snake oil, so it really wouldn't matter which you rubbed on your head and which one you ingested?)

Back on topic, if I'm searching for a way to stop stretch, and as an added benefit assist its flowering turn around, Bushmaster is for me?

And if I want to "plump" or "fill" my buds, I can leave them slightly wet (water weight), leave a bit more stem after trimming (wood weight), or use Gravity (internal weight)?
 
hoagtech

hoagtech

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Back2Basics said:
Hi. Did I get this right?

Bushmaster can help temporarily pause the growth spurt/stretch associated with the flip to flowering. At the same time it also helps promote bloom, there by shaving off time in flowering?

Gravity, for whatever is in the bottle, makes the actual nugs denser and heavier?

A lot of stuff out there is arguably snake oil?

Because by that argument, weed itself is snake oil correct? What I mean is, for someone seeking relief from glaucoma, getting the munchies from a burnt plant is pointless and therefor the weed is snakeoil. Or perhaps someone with insomnia was given a very high grade Sativa. Didn't help him sleep, no munchies, didn't help with pain...snake oil right?

My sister in law, educated woman, works for a cancer research center. When I asked her opinion of Phoenix Tears and Rick Simpson, she told me that weed made her puke in high school and has no place in "real" medicine. (I said she was my in-law, I didn't say I was fond of her.) "Snake oil" seems to be used when an appropriate adjective fails the speaker, or the speaker is unable to state that they have no knowledge, is unable to speak intelligently on the subject, or has just flat out not educated themselves on the topic on hand because it has yet to be profitable to them and/or their needs. Not only financially, but it would be a waste of their time to have to point out every single detail as to why they choose to classify it as "snake oil", when the other half of the debate is so clearly eager to press what little knowledge they have of the subject matter. Weed itself is snake oil? Fine. But I'm learning the difference between indica snake oil, sative snake oil, hybrid snake oil, ingesting snake oil, topical applications of snake oil... (which reminds me, there is a sliiiight difference between Hair Tonic and a Gin & Tonic. But "Tonics" are all snake oil, so it really wouldn't matter which you rubbed on your head and which one you ingested?)

Back on topic, if I'm searching for a way to stop stretch, and as an added benefit assist its flowering turn around, Bushmaster is for me?

And if I want to "plump" or "fill" my buds, I can leave them slightly wet (water weight), leave a bit more stem after trimming (wood weight), or use Gravity (internal weight)?
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I kind of agree with that whole snake oil point. Its kinda like that kentucky fried weed episode in SP where most of us just jump through hoops to make us look injured so we could get our cards. I dont understand why its still criminalized but Obama's makin changes. And there is little to no righteous purpose and healing involved. But I thank God evryday theres a loophole that makes it difficult to tell patients from non patients so I dont get busted.

And yes Gravity does bulk it up, And you cant smoke something thats wet, And ifyou left a big'ol stem in my bag I'd be pissed. Also I dont see how high metal content would even be a bad thing (even though we found out they are low levels)
I sell chelated Iron, Copper and zinc Micronutrient. Thats all it is metal. People actually buy more metal for their plants.
 
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Back2Basics

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hoagtech said:
And you cant smoke something thats wet,
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I was hinting at that one or two days the dry was shorted, that one or two days that would have turned the test stem from a "yeah it breaks pretty clean for the most part" to, "fuck, sounds like a Vlassic" =)

Which brings about another thought... If this is my personal stash, and I really don't care about weight numbers, then I could not be faulted for not having an interest in Gravity?
 
hoagtech

hoagtech

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DaLeftHandMan said:
Why would a plant want denser buds? answer that and you answer everyone elses questions.
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Your plant might not but my customers would. not to be rude but that doesnt make sense to me. When you put all that time and energy into your plants you will always want more weight at harvest. unless your a fluffy bud connessiour i guess

and @back2basics
You will not want ANY extra moisture when you put them in jars or your weed will turn brown and It'll taste like shit. Or you'll have to rearange them twice as often until their dry anyway. So why not get them as dry as they need to be to begin with? If you buy a hygrometer you can actually measure the humidity of your buds until there at the point you want them to be.
 
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Back2Basics

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I have a small glimmer of hope that by talking out my confusion, someone will correct my thinking?

Why would a plant want denser buds?

1) grow environment was too hot? = airy, lanky buds
2) sativa dominant? = airy, lighter buds
3) poor lighting?
4) poor genetics?
5) poor medium?
6) because few and far in between are the ladies walking down the street that resemble Lucy Liu and Jessica Alba and few and far in between are the combination of plants/growers/money/and conditions that replicate HT center folds?
7) because it's my first grow, and like Flex bodybuilding magazine, all I need to know is that I can get this big if I just get my hands on some ________?


Crap, you asked "Why would plants want denser buds?" To that question, I don't know. To attract a mate?
 
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Back2Basics

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hoagtech said:
and @back2basics
You will not want ANY extra moisture when you put them in jars or ....
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*nodding

got it, don't short change myself, dry until the dry is done, cure until the cure is complete.

(do you hear that everyone who sold me weight with saggy, non snapping stems?! =P


back on topic, I missed it if someone already posted it, but if Gravity indeed makes buds denser, would that in theory affect dry/cure time into the range of abnormal?
 
DaLeftHandMan

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Back2Basics said:
I have a small glimmer of hope that by talking out my confusion, someone will correct my thinking?

Why would a plant want denser buds?

1) grow environment was too hot? = airy, lanky buds
2) sativa dominant? = airy, lighter buds
3) poor lighting?
4) poor genetics?
5) poor medium?
6) because few and far in between are the ladies walking down the street that resemble Lucy Liu and Jessica Alba and few and far in between are the combination of plants/growers/money/and conditions that replicate HT center folds?
7) because it's my first grow, and like Flex bodybuilding magazine, all I need to know is that I can get this big if I just get my hands on some ________?


Crap, you asked "Why would plants want denser buds?" To that question, I don't know. To attract a mate?
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no, you had it right the first time lol

It was actually an honest question, as in, why would a plant benefit from having denser buds..biologically speaking? weve already figured out why they would want to have more trichs, and be beheaded at an early age..right? and those are all techniques weve learned to manipulate the plant into providing more of what WE want, because we make it feel like it wants those traits too.just my stoney line-of-thot here folks lol. maybe denser bud material will protect the seeds after pollination from bugs that would just destroy them, not spread them, like the animals and birds ect ect..

right now we know how to chemically force them to do as we want, but i wonder if theres a physical way or technique of trimming or LST training that could create that reaction in the plant naturally? hence my question...
 
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dlively11

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I need to get off my rear and post some good comparison shots of Bushmaster plants verse non bushmaster. I have omse good side by sides I could do right now of the same strain on the same tray.
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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dlively11 said:
I need to get off my rear and post some good comparison shots of Bushmaster plants verse non bushmaster. I have omse good side by sides I could do right now of the same strain on the same tray.
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Lively,
I'll do the same. I just put a Sativa into bloom after letting it get too tall in veg. I'll be hitting it today with the Bushmaster 1/3 ml/gal to shut down the vertical growth during the time it would be stretching. And. I believe thats what happens. I use it in veg all the time. It simply stops growth for around 2 weeks. When used in bloom, I believe it does the same. By using when the plant is put into bloom, the vertical growth is stopped during the time when vertical growth would be very fast. However, the plant's biological clock keeps on ticking, so when the Bushmaster wears off, the plant is done with the heavy stretching period and just starts the real budding. Just a theory.
 
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dlively11

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To put this to rest I finally got around to taking some pics to clear this topic up once and for all. Bushmaster works plain and simple. If you choose not to beleive your lying eyes so be it. I honestly havent used it for very long but the results were brutally clear. It virtually STOPS vertical growth as advertised. Some may want us to provide thousands of test subjects blah blah blah, but I think anyone with a brain cell atatched to their neck can see that it does in FACT work.

These plants are the same strain taken from the same mother plant. Switched 12/12 at the SAME exact height. Recieved the same nutes. Were in the same room. Same lighting. Couple are on the same tray even. I removed a couple of them from the tray for a few days while I ran the bushmaster in the system.

I used 1 ML per gallon with my nutes but back to 1000 PPM. Ran it for 4 days. Refilled res with fresh nutes and all plants went back on the same tray . Couple pics I had cut the plants down that were about a week further along so you can see me holding the plant. On those there was still a good 4-5 inches of stalk not shown so add a few more inches. I wrote down the height of the plants when I started BM. The first pic the plant stopped its stretch completely for atleast a week. It then only stretched another 4 inches total before it stopped on its own. Normally it would have doubled in size. Does the plant on the right yield more then the one on the left? Nope but now I can fit four plants in the same footprint which increases the yield dramatically and is how I choose to grow. I would have tossed this strain without Bushmaster. I have several other strains I did it on as well with the same results.



If you need to stop vertical growth or slow it down this product works wonders and a little goes a very long way.

FYI if I could take a picture that proved density and weight I'd do it for this manfacturers Gravity as well. The difference is just as clear on that product as well.

I did get a little leaf curl by the end of day 4. I beleive its because I had pretty strong nutes mixed in with it.












 
lbezphil2005

lbezphil2005

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Uncle Ben said:
Gawd, this hypocrite needs a bitch slappin'



I usually don't comment on your spin, but your hypocrisy needs addressing. You come into my thread and personally attack me. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers-44.html

This is the drill with some of you - I question the product, you take offense, and then start attacking me personally as I lay it all out.....NPK values, un-necessary additives, misrepresentations by the vendor, blatant lies, high costs, lack of botanical value, etc. If you don't like my message, then put me on Ignore and continue to play someone's pimp. Simple enough, eh?

Just looking out for the folks,
UB
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If I could +rep you more, bro, I would. I can't believe these guysin YOUR THREAD telling you to stop pissing on THEM!! WTF!! You need to earn respect before you get respect. UB has more than earned his on RIU, dilively, you keep talking about having respect on your thread and this is not your thread!!! HELLOO!!!!! Need to put down that pipe, bro. Or maybe its the bushmaster?

There are other ways to stop vertical growth, ie added blue spectrum during initial flower, lst, supercropping, etc, etc, without adding more crap. Try keeping the internodes tighter by keeping your lights lower during veg, the list goes on and on and on. UB is trying to keep it simple for the newbies, and everybody else for that matter, he always has). If you comment on another persons thread you should expect to get an answer, whether you like it or not, thats your problem, not UB's. He is entitled to his opinion, so are you. But it is HIS thread, not yours, so if you don't like the answers GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I do like your last post, however, should have been your first post because there is your proof, right? right.
 
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