Bushmaster: A How to Guide

rat....OMG...witch way did he go...witch way did he go.............

DaveCoulier said:

UB, from what Ive read about Bushmaster and other kelp extracts for flowering is that it has a high level of Cytokinin.

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You know that fer sure? I have been in many threads where this subject, and this product (Bushmaster) has been discussed. It is yet another subject that with every new crop of newbies, they done reinvented the wheel and MJ growing in general. Go to My Planet Ganja now, and talk to FullySikMate. He did an extensive journal using this stuff at the old PG and I believe at OG (both now defunct), plus a long time friend of mine, Erliquin, used Paclo on his Skunk grows. Erl was a commercial grower, probably the best hydro grower of any forum, and he gave me step by step directions on how to use Paclo, aka Bonzi. Yes it does work regarding the shortening of internodes. Are your results predictable? Can it work against you like alot of products will?

Now for the caveats.....

Any time you mess with mother nature's ho moans, she will fukk with you. Your results can and will be unpredictable. See a thread I started here yesterday about Superthrive or Superjive just for grins. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/294633-superthrive-superjive.html

Which is supposed to......

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Yeah, I know......"it's supposed to" do this and that. Try it and see.

**Edit: I did a bit more reading about Bushmaster, and its widely speculated that BM does contain paclobutrazol. Id still like to hear your thoughts on Kelp though UB.

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It does, I was just baiting you guys. I knew what it contained. My point being is there are so many fools too willing to use just about anything without knowing what's in the product. I mean, what in the hell are you guys doing pissing off your money based on an ad and/or forum hype and not on what's in the product?

The Humboldt hippies turned capitalist pigs (I'm spoofing my generation "don't trust anyone over 30") are getting by the registration requirements by filing the product under something other than a fertilizer, or so I assume. If you were to go out and buy Bonzi which contains Paclo, you would first have to show your Pesticide Applicator's License.

.....and so the story goes.

Here are some kewl links fer ya....
http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/prodrender/index.aspx?prodid=878

PGR overdose guide. This will make ya wanna cry.

Misapplications can lead to catostrophic results, which lower plant quality. Common problems include phytotoxicity, delayed flowering, and stunted growth (Figures 1 to 4). This handout is designed to aid in diagnosing the symptoms of PGR overdose. Symptoms typical for each PGR are shown.
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/floriculture/Rx/PGR%20Overdose%20Guide.pdf

Now, you fellas that want to run me away (censor), what is your agenda? "Feel-good" forum chatter or seeking the truth? You ought to be thanking me and guys like Dave.

UB

I've got a question to any grower that has used gravity before. I'm using it right now on a SOG setup and wanted to know, after I'm done watering the plants with it, do I leave my HPS hanging an extra foot higher or can I lower down again in a few days?

well i fed the bubblegums as scheduded.....AND , i know you won't like it UB, I gave it to all the next crop, phuk you ,you rat smellers,they're to tall. Got pics, will post when I see a change.

OB Cron Kenobi said:

Dude is right- there is absolutely no reason to use bushmaster and put them in 36 hours of darkness, especially if the bushmaster isnt used before the dark period. Foolish.

I use Bushmaster in my hydro grows when I am doing monster Sativa's (Neville's Haze, Hawaiian Snow) indoors. I veg for however long I feel- usually 3-5 weeks, bringing them to 3-4 feet tall and in the last five days I add bushmaster at whole dose with nothing else. Then in the first rez mix of bloom nutes I cut the dosage of all nutes in half, and add half recommended Bushmaster.

Using these products in Hydro- as they say, is experimental. I use bushmaster, gravity, and purple maxx- all require a unique application in hydroponics.

With Gravity, I do the same thing as the bushmaster. First dose comes when flowers are beginning to stack- I use just water and full dose, then next rez change is half strength gravity with half strength nutes. Works Great.

With Purple Maxx, depending on strain: If its a purple strain I use it every rez change adding it the day before the change, shutting off the airstones (you must do this or it will explode with bacteria and foam!) and then wait 24-36 hours before finishing the rez change and filling up with fresh water and nutes. For non-purple strains I use it the last two-three weeks with the same method previously mentioned. I find it helps the purp in purp strains, and in any strains it works amazing at crystal production.

The Bushmaster kept my monster sativas from potentially doubling to 7-8 feet and kept them between 5-6. The gravity makes typically airy buds much denser and adds substantially to harvest weight.

If used properly in hydro they certainly work, but it takes some experimentation.

I have not used it in Foliar spray... I know with Purple Maxx if you are looking to get the most effect in terms of coloring your plant purple they recommend it as a Foliar feed.

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Im looking to increase yield and was already planning on getting gravity... can you use bushmaster and gravity together? This would be in a sog aeroponic setup using liquid karma, pure blend grow(for veg), cal mag, pure blend bloom for flower, sweet, silica blast.

How would I add gravity and bushmaster in addition to what im already using?

Any advice is appreciated. Oh and this is on a white widdow strain. It also has some tinges of purple so advice on adding purple maxx to the list would also be appreciated

2000tranzam said:

Im looking to increase yield and was already planning on getting gravity... can you use bushmaster and gravity together? This would be in a sog aeroponic setup using liquid karma, pure blend grow(for veg), cal mag, pure blend bloom for flower, sweet, silica blast.

How would I add gravity and bushmaster in addition to what im already using?

Any advice is appreciated. Oh and this is on a white widdow strain. It also has some tinges of purple so advice on adding purple maxx to the list would also be appreciated

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Yes it can be used together but I have not seen it used in an aeroponic setup
I am growing in an aero setup using the same nutes. Do you have a grow journal?

tom__420 said:

Yes it can be used together but I have not seen it used in an aeroponic setup
I am growing in an aero setup using the same nutes. Do you have a grow journal?

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No just a couple of threads asking random questions lol.

Currently have a couple of aeroponic tubs under a 400 MH for veg while they grow a bit bigger for some cloning

plannin on 2 600s and 2 400s though for flower and gonna surround them with some cfls and 2 250 watt suspended.

2000tranzam said:

No just a couple of threads asking random questions lol.

Currently have a couple of aeroponic tubs under a 400 MH for veg while they grow a bit bigger for some cloning

plannin on 2 600s and 2 400s though for flower and gonna surround them with some cfls and 2 250 watt suspended.

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Wow what are the odds, I am using the exact same tote as you (the one on the right)
Looking nice man

tom__420 said:

Wow what are the odds, I am using the exact same tote as you (the one on the right)
Looking nice man

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Haha nice, thanks dude.

You have a grow journal of your own?

Yup sure do, the link is in my signature at the bottom of my posts

The Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines (APVMA) just faxed out a 2 page letter to all Australian hydroponic stores informing that illegal (non compliant) products were under watch. This followed some raids on stores in 2009. The products they are gunning for are PGRs such as Bushmaster (anyone remember the Superbud scam). Retailers who sell non compliant products the letter stated face a !65,000 fine per sale. The APVMA are asking stores to contact them if they aren't sure about what products contain non compliant ingredients. I would upload the PDF files the APVMA sent to stores but can't find a function for this. Any tips?

twisterbilly said:

The Australian Pesticides and Veterinary Medicines (APVMA) just faxed out a 2 page letter to all Australian hydroponic stores informing that illegal (non compliant) products were under watch. This followed some raids on stores in 2009. The products they are gunning for are PGRs such as Bushmaster (anyone remember the Superbud scam). Retailers who sell non compliant products the letter stated face a !65,000 fine per sale. The APVMA are asking stores to contact them if they aren't sure about what products contain non compliant ingredients. I would upload the PDF files the APVMA sent to stores but can't find a function for this. Any tips?

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Yeah, I have some tips. Get a Pesticide Applicator's License like I had to.

Good on the Aussies! It's about time they cracked down on some of the crap these vendors are selling.

This "non-compliant" businesses is exactly what I've been talking about. You really don't know what you're getting in some of these products, especially when it comes to organics. It should be required by law for fully disclose the contents, a guaranteed analysis, with testing on a random basis to insure compliance.

UB

It seems Bushmaster contains a chemical that has a legit use in horticulture, but is definitely not for the novice or layman, and must be vaguely labeled in order to be sold. I agree that 95% of whats on the market is marked up garbage, but I can see how BM would fill a niche for those of us that don't have pesticide Applicator's licenses.

Get em ben...

Check out my journal.. no additives.. Botnicare pro gro and bloom, and fish emulsion for an N supplement in the very early stage of veg and later stage of bloom.. under a 600w HPS...

updated pictures will be up soon.. I think I'm doing just fine with the bare minimum.. But you tell me..

I'm killing the pot bound myth also.. 1.67 liter pots.. although the bigger ones are prone to falling over when they are dry which is obvious..

hello all, trying the Gravity flower hardener product with a aero/nft setup. My plants are in 2" net cups. I used it at week 5-6 of flower. I used regular 3 part general hydro nutes with it. I went really light 4ml in 12 gallons of water. I also used some molassis, just 2-3 mL, just enough to brown the water. My plants are now going to be flushed with RO water for a week, and then harvest time. I'm seeing something different with my flowers. I grab hold of the buds and feel some real bulk. I'm really thinking this product did something to my plants. I hope I didn't get off topic talking about gravity instead of bushmaster but they are made from same company. I

I'm really surprised how many growers are scared to walk off the beaten path when it comes to trying new products. I expect yields will double in the next ten years as technology increases and that will come from experimentation and stepping out of the box.

dragonbud said:

hello all, trying the Gravity flower hardener product with a aero/nft setup. My plants are in 2" net cups. I used it at week 5-6 of flower. I used regular 3 part general hydro nutes with it. I went really light 4ml in 12 gallons of water. I also used some molassis, just 2-3 mL, just enough to brown the water. My plants are now going to be flushed with RO water for a week, and then harvest time. I'm seeing something different with my flowers. I grab hold of the buds and feel some real bulk. I'm really thinking this product did something to my plants. I hope I didn't get off topic talking about gravity instead of bushmaster but they are made from same company. I

I'm really surprised how many growers are scared to walk off the beaten path when it comes to trying new products. I expect yields will double in the next ten years as technology increases and that will come from experimentation and stepping out of the box.

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No ur not off topic at all glad to hear gravity did its job im using it on my current grow and left one plant untreated and i can tell the diffrence just have to wait to see the final yeild!!

and yea i know its crazy but whatever glad to see some people are here to talk not just bs

Medical MJ Cures Cancer said:

Hell yeah glad to hear it man that exactly what im saying!!!

Have you ever heard of keeping the lights up for 24hrs after a bushmaster hit? I just came across it when i was quoting that high times article.

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24 hours of light in a cycle of 12 12 will hermie your plants dude. One time a timer failed on me. Three nights in a row they were left on. 72 hours of light. By by females. They were hermied from the 4th week on.
As for the bushmaster. I use topload. Same thing pretty much. It advises to not use while the plants are under stress. That includes stressing the plants with 36 hours of darkness. I think 12 hours of darkness will jump start them quiker than 36 hours. Because they will get there 12 hours of light quiker.
1 mill per gallon is far enough. Remember that small containers cant hold as much of anything as beds or 5 gallon +. I always use half of what the bottle says. Its a rule of thumb for my strain.
You think they did tests on everystrain?
Always experiment before you jump on to something like that. Find out how your strain works before you use that stuff.

I use purple maxx, gravity, and bushmaster and love em.


I just chopped down 2 out of 4 of my sativa's growing in a 4x5 box under a 400 watt hps and a 6 bulb 4 foot T5 in blue spectrum with additional CFL's.

I pulled 10 oz off one plant! and 1 off the runt- she was burried under the others. And I still have 2 more plants to go- one which will probably yield 6-7 ounces! And compared to my last run with this landrace sativa, Hawaiian snow, it is much denser- much crystalier, and the plants stayed managable. Except for the 10oz monster bitch. She was hard to tame. Damn crazy landrace's.

I finally hit the G a watt measure. Actually I'll beat it when my other 2 come down

Justed harvested using Gravity. My buds are more substantial. Easier to clip the buds. I had a problem with the lower buds being light and airy, cutting them right now and they are definatly thicker. Keep the ppm down on your res. before you try it. Good luck everyone.

dragonbud said:

Justed harvested using Gravity. My buds are more substantial. Easier to clip the buds. I had a problem with the lower buds being light and airy, cutting them right now and they are definatly thicker. Keep the ppm down on your res. before you try it. Good luck everyone.

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At what point did you start using gravity? I keep hearing different things... use at the 3rd week of flower... use again at the 6th week, use with half strength nutrients, use it by its self... Can you advise how you used it successfully?