Bush surprised by Greenspan criticism

Dankdude

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WASHINGTON - President Bush was surprised by the criticism leveled against him and his administration by former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan in his new book, the White House said Monday.

Greenspan accused Bush of not responsibly handling the nation's spending and racking up big budget deficits, saying he and Congress' former GOP leaders abandoned the party's conservative principles favoring small government.

"My biggest frustration remained the president's unwillingness to wield his veto against out-of-control spending," Greenspan wrote in "The Age of Turbulence: Adventures in a New World," being released Monday.

White House press secretary Dana Perino defended Bush's fiscal policies, and said that veto threats from the president were enough to keep spending from spiraling too high. Under Bush, government spending for the fight against terrorism increased, and Perino said the Bush administration doesn't apologize for acting on behalf of "the safety and security of the American people."

At the same time, government revenues declined because of a string of tax cuts, which Greenspan also criticizes in his book.

Large projected surpluses were the basis for Bush's $1.35 trillion, 10-year tax cut approved in the summer of 2001. Those surpluses never materialized, and have since turned into record deficits, so Greenspan wrote that the tax-cut goal was "no longer entirely appropriate."

Perino brought this up as one of the more perplexing parts of the book for the White House.

"The president was a bit surprised by some of the criticism in the book," she said. "Remember in late 2000, we were headed into a recession and tax cuts were the prescribed remedy. And that has borne out to be one of the best decisions we made in order to keep the economy growing like it is."

Greenspan gave a major boost to Bush's tax-cut plan in testimony before Congress in 2001, arguing then that a tax cut could help the economy deal with sagging growth. A recession that began in March 2001 ended that November. In his book, he says that testimony had been a mistake.

Perino also disputed Greenspan's line about the Iraq war, in which he said "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

Perino said Greenspan has since "acknowledged that oil was not the president's motive for our engagement in Iraq."

Despite disputing his conclusions, the White House went out of its way to praise Greenspan, who ran the Fed for 18 1/2 years, under four presidents, until early 2006.

"The president has great respect for former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan," she said. "They served together for many years. He was excellent at his job."
 

the widowman

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of course it was about oil everybody knows that, they make out it was war on terrorism but the bottom line is OIL make sure its not in the wrong hands. who's to say thats not the wrong policy.
 

mexiblunt

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I just finnished watching the movie shooter. I know it's just a movie but I love the way the senator near the end says. "you know what I love about america? the secretary of defense can say we are fighting terrorism in iraq when really it's the oil. And nobody will question him cause they know the truth" something to that effect.

He also says theres no such thing as sunni/sheite dem/rep just the haves and the have nots.
 

medicineman

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"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day." - Thomas Jefferson

He'd be rolling in his grave. He never envisioned a country run by corporations that fought wars for profit, a plutocacracy, that sacrificed their young men and women to an idiotic war fought for oil and war profiteering. Good old Tom thought the citizens of a free country would never let things get that out of hand. The problem is, the government has so totally brainwashed the citizenry, along with the bought and paid for media, that the sheeple think things are normal and we're fighting terrorists trying to fuck over our democracy, the big sham perpetrated by the right wing neo-cons to further their world dominance agenda. It's so sad to actually see people buying into this bullshit and even arguing those fascist talking points. I feel like bitch slapping them into reality, but I know their limited intellect would never accept the truth, so sad, so sad!
 

Resinman

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once you read the book it questions the republicans more than bush himself

but,,,he will just be another sell out prez in the short and long run

resinman
 

ViRedd

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Here's a quick solution for you guys who are convinced that we fight wars for oil: Start drilling in Anwar and off our coasts. Increase coal production. Start building nuclear plants all across the nation. At the same time as Anwar drilling, coal mining and nuclear plant building proceeds, start developing alternate sources of energy.

Do any of you deny that our economy runs on oil? Do any of you deny that we are almost totally dependant upon foreign oil? Want to deny that the Middle East is full of unstable countries that control the oil? Would a stablized Middle East, operating in a democratic fashion, be preferable to what's there now?

Vi
 

medicineman

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Well, it might be preferable, but who are we to try and shove it down their throats. After 600,000+++ dead, they still don't even know what a democracy is. And if we use what passes for democracy in the USA as a benchmark, why would they want it anyway.
While trying to shove democracy down Iraqs throat, Bush has been very busy trying to curtail our own freedoms.
This whole Iraq scandal is a cluster of the highest magnitude. How any government could be so fucking stupid as to waste its blood and treasure trying to democratize the arabs is laughable, of course it's about the oil. Always was and will be untill the American people say "Enough you bastards, Enough".
 

IntheTuk

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Vi, you got it right. We are totally dependent on foreign oil. You should watch the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?" "They" or whoever they are have been saying since the fifties that a completly electric car is just a decade away, but for some reason it has never came. Why? Because companys (Exxon, BP etc) have billions upon billions to make from oil. We are the ones that consume the oil, but the oil companys are the ones that keep it that way. They're as bad as the tobacco and alcohol industries dumping money on candidates to keep pot illegal.
 

Nothing Has Changed

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Would a stablized Middle East, operating in a democratic fashion, be preferable to what's there now?

Vi

Of course it would, which is why I don't understand why we support despots like Musharraf; before him, it was the likes of Somoza and Suharto (despots, but not northern-African despots). The reason why Greenspan has such disdain for Bush is the dramatic rise in federal deficit spending. He has always warned of the potential for a substantial decrease in private capital investment when this occurs. Aside from that, there are inflationary concerns, too; afterall, the Federal Reserve can only decrease the Federal Funds Rate to a degree without these concerns becoming realities. One day, Vi, we'll be able to vote for a candidate who supports bombing countries with ipods instead of this retalitation we're experiencing now. :clap:
 

medicineman

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Here's the person that is trying to open Anwar, a republican Hack that accepts bribes to do the corrupt bidding of the likes of Tom Delay. SHe is a Republican sell ,out:,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
DeLay staff helped Gayle Norton get bribes
Uh=oh...this can't look good. Two staffers of Tom DeLay helped Interior Secretary Gayle Norton get a quarter million dollars in "donations" to the- Republican environmental group [Is this an oxymoron or what] -she co-founded, just a short time after she took the Cabinet job from Bush.

DeLay's Staff Tried to Help Abramoff
By JOHN SOLOMON and SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writers 6 minutes ago
Rep. Tom DeLay's staff tried to help lobbyist Jack Abramoff win access to Interior Secretary Gale Norton, an effort that succeeded after Abramoff's Indian tribe clients began funneling a quarter-million dollars to an environmental group founded by Norton.

"Do you think you could call that friend and set up a meeting," then-DeLay staffer Tony Rudy wrote to fellow House aide Thomas Pyle in a Dec. 29, 2000, e-mail titled "Gale Norton-Interior Secretary." President Bush had nominated Norton to the post the day before.

Rudy wrote Abramoff that same day promising he had "good news" about securing a meeting with Norton, forwarding information about the environmental group Norton had founded, according to e-mails obtained by investigators and reviewed by The Associated Press. Rudy's message to Abramoff was sent from Congress' official e-mail system.

Within months, Abramoff clients donated heavily to the Norton-founded group and the lobbyist and one of the tribes he represented won face-to-face time with the secretary during a Sept. 24, 2001, dinner sponsored by the group she had founded.

Abramoff's clients were trying to stop a rival Indian tribe from winning Interior Department approval to build a casino.

DeLay, who has temporarily stepped aside as House majority leader because of criminal charges in Texas, eventually signed a letter with other GOP House leaders to Norton on behalf of Abramoff's clients, records show.

Federal and congressional investigators obtained the DeLay staff e-mails from Abramoff's former lobbying firm as they try to determine whether officials in Congress or the Bush administration provided government assistance in exchange for the vast amounts of money Abramoff's clients donated to Republican causes.

The e-mails, however, weren't provided to Senate Indian Affairs Committee Chairman Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), whose committee held hearings Wednesday into Abramoff's dealings at the Interior department. It has drawn attention, however, among other government investigators examining whether any federal actions were taken in exchange for donations.

The assistance to Abramoff from DeLay's staff occurred just a few months after DeLay received political donations, free use of a skybox to reward donors and an all-expense paid trip to play golf in Scotland arranged by Abramoff and mostly underwritten by his clients.

DeLay's lawyer said this week his client likely didn't know about the assistance his aides gave Abramoff five years ago and does not believe his office would ever provide government assistance in exchange for political donations.

"On its face it's not unusual for staffers to assist people trying to get a meeting with an executive branch agency and that would be something a member of Congress would not typically be involved with. That's staff work," attorney Richard Cullen said in an interview.

"Tom DeLay conducts himself consistent with the highest standards of conduct and he mandated the same for his staff," Cullen said.

Shortly after the e-mail exchanges, the two DeLay aides, Rudy and Pyle, left DeLay's office for private sector jobs. Rudy went to work for Abramoff while Pyle went to work for the Koch pipeline company, Neither returned calls to their offices this week seeking comment.

The December 2000 e-mails show DeLay's office identified — as an avenue for winning a meeting with the new interior secretary — Norton's former political fundraiser, Italia Federici, and a conservative environmental group called the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy (CREA).

Norton founded the group in 1999 with Federici and conservative activist Grover Norquist, a close ally of President Bush. When Norton was named interior secretary by Bush, Federici took over as president of CREA.

Pyle reported to Rudy that he was trying to reach a contact close to Norton and that Federici might be helpful. "Yes, I spoke to her yesterday and she is scrambling right now to get in touch with Gale. Italia helped co-found CREA with Gale and worked on her Senate campaign," Pyle wrote.

Rudy gave an update to Abramoff, forwarding Pyle's information to the lobbyist and suggesting Norquist might provide another avenue to help secure a meeting with the interior secretary.

"Good news. I think she (Norton) knows Grover," Rudy wrote in an e-mail from his official congressional account to Abramoff.

Federici helped Norton raise money for an unsuccessful bid for a Senate seat in Colorado and she, Norquist and Norton formed CREA in 1999 as a tax-exempt organization highlighting Republican ideas for the environment.

Within a few months of the e-mail exchange, Abramoff's Indian tribal clients began sending more than a quarter-million dollars to CREA.

Abramoff sent an e-mail to one of the tribes, the Coushattas, suggesting Interior officials wanted the donations to go to Norton's group. "I met with the Interior guys today and they were ecstatic that the tribe was going to help. If you can get me a check via federal made out to `Council for Republican Environmental Advocacy' for $50K that would be great," Abramoff wrote in one e-mail made public by McCain's investigation.

The tribe obliged. And a short while later, Federici left a message with Norton's office seeking a meeting for that tribe's leaders, according to evidence gathered by investigators. That meeting in April 2001 was rejected by Norton's staff, Interior officials told AP.

Coushatta tribal counsel Jimmy Faircloth told AP that Abramoff instructed the tribe to give donations to CREA of $50,000 in March 2001 and $100,000 in March 2002 "for the purpose of building a lobbying presence in Washington."

The tribe eventually scored face-to-face time with Norton and her top deputy, Steven Griles, on Sept. 24, 2001 at a private fundraising dinner arranged by CREA. Tribal chairman Lovelin Poncho and Abramoff sat at Norton's table while tribal attorney Kathy Van Hoof sat with Griles, Fairchild said.

The Coushattas weren't alone in donating to CREA. Federal investigators have tracked more than a quarter-million dollars in tribal money to the group, including donations from the Saginaw Chippewa tribe of Michigan and the Tiguas of Texas.

At the time, Abramoff's tribal clients were trying to get Interior to reject efforts by rival tribes to get into the casino business. Interior rejected or delayed some of the rivals' bids for extended period of times, although they were recently approved.

Interior spokesman Dan DuBray confirmed that Norton met with the tribal leaders at the CREA dinner, but said he could not comment about any conversations because the matter is under investigation.

Federici attorney Michael Scheininger did not respond to an AP request for comment.

The Gun Lake tribe of Pottawatomi, one of the rivals of Abramoff's tribal clients, said Tuesday that it believed Abramoff's lobbying stalled Interior's approval of its casino by at least 14 months.

"The more we learn about the allegedly corrupt relationship between Jack Abramoff and a key high-ranking government official, the clearer it becomes that a full investigation should be conducted," said Gun Lake Tribal Chairman D.K. Sprague.
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