Building single-plant growbox, I want your opinions!

P.s.

If I was really as ignorant as I seem, you know damn well I wouldn't have been as successful as I have been up to this point. Even though I like to argue, I'm a sponge and I'm absorbing every bit of legitimate information in this thread. It will show when I build my next box, but that may be several months down the road. And once I'm past the newbie stage you'll also notice that I approach things differently. I'm sure you see already that I'm improving my application of knowledge, doing more research, and asking more questions. Of course I don't always just accept answers, I'm going to find out why every time to better understand. And once I learn something in whole I will be able to teach it and return what I know to other growers. I tend to hold my tongue when giving advice at this stage simply because I lack experience. You don't see me correcting people in other threads, or giving advice, or diagnosing problems. I keep it all right here. And when you're here there will more than likely be some newbie-like behaviour to tolerate. When the next box comes, it goes in a new thread, and a new attitude.

Just BE YOURSELF Bro... you'll win...

And one of the biggest concerns I have is the foam will melt at a fairly low temp...

Fans quit.. shit happens...

If the foam gets soft enough to warp.. only god knows what will end up where...

A bulb can fall and break... and stay there sparking...

Or you could get some of the water from the leaves ( i know you changed things with your new spout.. I'm just saying) onto the socket...

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You say wood has a lower flashpoint... or was it card board?

regardless...

do this test ( or DON'T..)..

hold a bic lighter ON.. for 5 seconds against a sheet of plywood

Now do the same to a THICK sheet of cardboard (which I said was a bad idea too)...

See where this is going?

would you DARE try this with your box?

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Are you going to tell me that no bic lighters will be flicked in your grow?

Fair enough...

But that bulb that fell and is sitting ther sparking is very capable of a 5 sec flame...

Remember.. there is a BALLAST attached to the light... and they are pretty cheap ones.. china or made or worse... little kids..

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Seriously though... 99% chance nothing will happen...

But that 1% makes me way too nervous...

I would NEVER risk my home like that... I would have to turn it off every time I left..

But my home is worth a lot to me.. not just financially either...

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My tent IS plastic... but everything was hanging from a STEEL FRAME and away from the walls...

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I could keep going bro...

even as far as saying that by heating up the foam (if a fan quits or a ballast FUCKS UP) you MAY release toxic gases that can harm not only the plant, but pets and people as well...

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Plus.. I just like to be right... cause I know everything and like to make every one feel like they are stupid asses... (how's THAT for MY new persona?..)..

Pretty good scenario, and I completely understand your concern. It all came back down to faulty equipment. The only way anything is burning is due to product defect, which is no more hazardous to styrofoam than wood. If a broken sparking bulb hit wood it would also set fire because odds are good it won't stop after 5 seconds. But yes the flash point of wood is lower than the melting point of styrofoam/plastic. The difference is that wood being more dense is somewhat more resistant to the heat initially so it may tak longer to heat wood to 240 degrees celcius than it would to get styro to 350 and ignite. It's all hypothesis though until it actually happens. I think anyone with any shit running while they are gone is at risk because of defect, but I personally don't feel any more unsafe using styrofoam as an alternative to wood or tupperware containers. If it isn't metal or fire retardant material, then it's really all the same in the end.. However you do have a point with the toxic gases because a little woodsmoke never hurt anyone. Burning plastics like styrofoam or tupperware is another story.

And your new persona isn't much different from your old one You may be a wise old man but you do come off as a know-it-all. Who's to say you aren't though? If you give accurate info and have all the answers, why not give them out? You do, and you do. I have plenty of answers as well. Even though they may not be based on experience as a weed grower, don't rule out the possibility that I am someone who knows what he's talking about most of the time he opens his mouth. Not that I consider it a competition lol, you easily outwit me in plenty of areas regarding the topics on this forum, but I have experience with lots of things as well. I'm glad that you have at least a little faith. If my plants were half dead you would have clued in that I actually am retarded and you'd be long gone by now!

You are right... shit fails...

ANY one of my HPSs can EXPLODE and set my house on fire...

Bugs lost just about EVERYTHING when EXACTLY THAT happened... in a PERFECT OP...

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So even if we do the best we can we ARE still vulnerable...

The difference is that you chose to "store your gasoline next to the fireplace"..... by choosing a material that burns in a FLASH...

every second counts... and it looks to me that you have chosen the one material that is the least tolerant of heat... which we have plenty of...

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And I am NOT a know it all...

Just really really really dry... almost like a technical manual...

The info does not come with a smile... it's just raw data...

That is why I SEEM so rude.. even when I am trying to help...

It's just my real personality... kinda of a zero bullshit approach.. even if it doesn;t have pretty flowers around it...

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But I am not a confrontational person...

if you want to believe in whatever..

I think you have every right... even if you are fooling yourself..

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As for your knowledge...

I AM SURE you know way more than I do about LOTS of things...

It's the attitude that makes people not take you seriously...

No one likes to deal with little punks...

And I know you are not one... so why make people think you are one...?

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And Bro...

If I didn't believe in you from DAY ONE.. I would have never subscribed... even though I don't believe in your set up... because of safety..

Sometimes we just meet people and for no reason we like them...... then it's up to them to keep it that way...

Ps. I wish you could see the smirk on my face when I say/read that last part..

Sarcasm does not translate well on forums.. but I think you got it...

Plus.. I just like to be right... cause I know everything and like to make every one feel like they are stupid asses... (how's THAT for MY new persona?..)..

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more like...

Oh I caught it. Pretty amusing for a dry guy like you lol. And so is that picture, wow!

The advantage to setting styrofoam on fire is that it will burn up quick, and then be nothing. Wood can burn for hours. But with anything flammable near by (like in my closet for example, haha...) flaming styrofoam would be a big problem even if it only stayed lit for 30 seconds before melting into a little puddle.

I could write page long responses to all the stuff you say and I'm sure you'd write them back, but I'm exhausted and going to sleep lol. We'll resume later.
Cheers Gypsy!

By the way, we're gettin high together someday lol. Gonna make a salad joint with both of our dope mixed together and talk philosophy. I'm actually writing a book right now. Someday when trust overcomes risk of being caught, we are gonna chill.

Good Night Fractus...

As far as the chlorine goes it doesn't really hurt your plants unless its in high amounts but it does kill those micro organisms I was talking about earlier... And all you have to do to get rid of it is leave your water out for a day. OH and I start using molasses about 3 weeks in and have seen results with it over previous grows without it.

Fractus said:

Ok ok...with the water I got lucky, lol. Temperature not so much! I can REALLY tell temperature without a thermometer! But it doesn't matter if you believe me or not, I got a thermometer to prove it to myself. The only reason I can be a little cocky here is because I know I'll never get close enough to anyone here that they can punch me in the face Haha... Gypsy I know what you mean about letting others inflate your ball, you'd like me more if you met me, I'm more humble and rarely even accept when people brag me up or compliment me. But online I'm out of character because keeping quiet won't help me learn. I need to say the stupidest shit I can so that everyone is eager to teach me otherwise That said, I'm gonna go argue some more.



So do you. I can quote from a book that chlorine given in moderation IS good for plants. Also, it is not added to water for taste, it is added because it is a "highly effective disinfectant", good try though. The less chlorine I taste, the better my water must be. Both in terms of pH (based on the chlorine content) and also in terms of impurities. If there is not much chlorine in the water it means it was nearly clean to begin with and not much chlorine was added to disinfect it.

If my water TASTES good and clean, then empirically I KNOW that it has a reasonable ppm and pH, even though I couldn't give it a precise number.. Tap water is only bad for plants if you live where there is natural bad water, or it's recycled and heavily loaded with chemicals to compensate.

EDIT: And you can definitely TASTE the difference. I can tell good water from bad water by the taste. No questions asked. For all of you to doubt me like this is surprising, you must not be so in tune with your senses..

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Ok you caught me sleeping.... yeah everyone can stand to learn more and yes chlorine is added as a disinfectant it is other chemicals added for taste. Now, all that said I use tap water also, but I get 130 ppm which is pretty low as far as tap water is concerned.

I agree with gypsy man, take just a half step back on the 'know it all attitude' and you can learn even more here. Rollitup is a great source for learning how to grow tasty monster buds. I still love learning things here so it's just right to be cool everyone and especially the ones willing to help here.

ps: I'm on an extremely 'lets all get along kick' right now becuz I'm incredibly blazed and listening to jah roots lol....

-potlike

The water that I water with has been left out for at least a day, usually 2 because after watering I fill up the jug and leave it there for next time. Chlorine should have evaporated by then and hopefully won't kill any little buggers in my dirt, and I will try the molasses I have a question! Can you put earthworths in your weed dirt? They recycle shit all the time and loosen dirt and make it great for growing flowers, I know that. Or you could just put the worms near the grow so they attract Alaskan fish so you can emulsify them. Bahaha.

I agree with gypsy man, take just a half step back on the 'know it all attitude' and you can learn even more here. Rollitup is a great source for learning how to grow tasty monster buds. I still love learning things here so it's just right to be cool everyone and especially the ones willing to help here.

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I hear ya dude. The only thing about not putting all my chips on the table is that things get missed... If I have ideas or whatever that others didn't mention, or factors in an argument that somebody missed when stating a point against my grow, I like to explain why I think it's logical before saying "yes you are right" and both parties learn from it that way. But look at me I'm doing it again, saying all this shit like I know all about this. But really I'm doing exactly what I just explained. Holy hell I'm confusing myself right now, props to anyone who can follow me on this haha...

I'll most likey will always have a lot to say and in great detail about the topic at hand but I can also strive to do so in a more friendly and approachable manner. Maybe the advice I get will suffer less if I don't try to make it difficult for people to come back with an answer lmao. See, I'm learning!

i would suggest this supplement than straight molassas


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Fractus said:

I'll most likey will always have a lot to say and in great detail about the topic at hand but I can also strive to do so in a more friendly and approachable manner. Maybe the advice I get will suffer less if I don't try to make it difficult for people to come back with an answer lmao. See, I'm learning!

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So it seems...

HIJACK...

Please spread this video....

Let's help them SEE...

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yeah, i would make sure heat isnt an issue like almost everyone else said but other then that that looks likea great setup lol

hey fractus u should take some new pics how's she budding?

Yeah where you at bro?

Da Superman said:

I like the setup nice and clean and pretty much anyone can do it.

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What type of fan are you thinking you will be using in the future? Also the setup looks great.

what kind of fan are you going to use?

Heat is only an issue with two many bulbs + not good enough ventilation. I learned this the hard way and lost my centre cola, which is Ok because it was an accident that helped me out in the end, cutting off the top made everything at the bottom flourish, and keep away from the lights. Sorry, I was away for the last 72 hours and I didn't water her the whole time. I gave her a drought, under supervision. I came back to yellow fan leaves, everything else still dark green but droopy. I watered today, and after 6 hours, everything in her was stiff and healthy again, she drank almost he whole gallon of water in that much time. Anyway, I plucked the yellow fan leaves and they popped off very easily. All of the dark green stuff is solid. Pics are below t show how she is doing now.

A lot has been going on, and by friday I'll be moved out of this apartment. I do not want to take a living plant in a growbox with me, so I need to harvest by Friday and somehow be drying the buds in a portable container, disassemble my box and take it with me, and set it up where I'm going. So I'm going to need some help from all of you to guide me through the best possible way to harvest by thursday night/friday. I'm aware that I will be skipping the full 2 week flush stage and any opportunity to put molasses in the mix. Also, over 50% of my pistils are browned now and lots of them have begun to recede, so at least I'm not TOO early... My next grow will be better I think.

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