Buds quality LEDs VS HPS

ttystikk

ttystikk

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Humple said:
I figured you probably meant that, but I wanted to clarify. And yes, I can believe that a lot of the cannabis ops are noob-run.

I don't have an argument for COBs. I have an argument for white-light, full-spectrum LED, whether COB, QB, or strip. And to my mind it's as compelling as it's ever been. Less wattage, same yield. Same wattage, more yield. And the quality is on-point. I don't give a shit if this is what the lights were intended for, just as I don't give a shit that HPS used to be street lighting. Will the day come when we can get even better results from more advanced lighting? Of course. But for the third time, this in no way diminishes the value of the options currently on the market.

Whenever you buy, no matter how long you wait, there will always be better lamps "soon". That's just the way progress in technology works. I stopped playing the tech waiting game years ago, and I've never regretted that. Whether it be TVs, PCs, phones, lights, or anything else, I buy when I feel that it will benefit me.
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Just schtaaaahp...

Too logic.

Much sensible!
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Humple said:
I figured you probably meant that, but I wanted to clarify. And yes, I can believe that a lot of the cannabis ops are noob-run.

I don't have an argument for COBs. I have an argument for white-light, full-spectrum LED, whether COB, QB, or strip. And to my mind it's as compelling as it's ever been. Less wattage, same yield. Same wattage, more yield. And the quality is on-point. I don't give a shit if this is what the lights were intended for, just as I don't give a shit that HPS used to be street lighting. Will the day come when we can get even better results from more advanced lighting? Of course. But for the third time, this in no way diminishes the value of the options currently on the market.

Whenever you buy, no matter how long you wait, there will always be better lamps "soon". That's just the way progress in technology works. I stopped playing the tech waiting game years ago, and I've never regretted that. Whether it be TVs, PCs, phones, lights, or anything else, I buy when I feel that it will benefit me.
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I hear ya man. I have been saying if your happy then be happy all along. I never once tried to convince anyone one is better than the other.

And if I was setting up a new room I would be considering one of the well known led manufacturers for sure.

I have never jumped on newer tech. I used cassette tapes and records for years after cd’s came out. And clung to cd’s and dvd’s while everyone was already downloading to devices.

I have always taken advantage of old stuff pricing. And I have always been happy.

But I’m getting older and I miss buying nice things so I recently bought a 2018 mountain bike with new tech. 27.5” wheels and plus size almost 3” wide tires.

It is an amazing bike to ride. Very few drawbacks to the huge wheels. I seem to be faster and smoother over everything compared to my 2004 Gary fisher.

So maybe I will change my mind or come across a deal I can’t pass up and I will show my results and if I like it better I will say so.

My point was to see the science involved through the hype. I love science.

Here’s a nice fall bike pic. This thread is too cold.

Sorry for the Segway if inapropriate.

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Humple

Humple

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I hear ya man. I have been saying if your happy then be happy all along. I never once tried to convince anyone one is better than the other.

And if I was setting up a new room I would be considering one of the well known led manufacturers for sure.

I have never jumped on newer tech. I used cassette tapes and records for years after cd’s came out. And clung to cd’s and dvd’s while everyone was already downloading to devices.

I have always taken advantage of old stuff pricing. And I have always been happy.

But I’m getting older and I miss buying nice things so I recently bought a 2018 mountain bike with new tech. 27.5” wheels and plus size almost 3” wide tires.

It is an amazing bike to ride. Very few drawbacks to the huge wheels. I seem to be faster and smoother over everything compared to my 2004 Gary fisher.

So maybe I will change my mind or come across a deal I can’t pass up and I will show my results and if I like it better I will say so.

My point was to see the science involved through the hype. I love science.

Here’s a nice fall bike pic. This thread is too cold.

Sorry for the Segway if inapropriate.

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We can certainly agree on the philosophy that there's nothing wrong with buying/keeping/doing what makes you happy and what works for you. And I know I've said this already, but I'm not trying to talk anyone into LED either. I just think it's an interesting and worthwhile conversation to have.

Gotta love our state in the fall...
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Greengenes707 said:
And there you go deflecting. Why do you focus on me? I have not asserted ulimate anything with my test. All I have done is present them for what they are. You seem to have issues with that as we have past them already and said what they were.
And now you say there are plenty all over the net...but don't and won't post any.
So how about you get off trying to use me as a deflection and actually support and present your statement.
If you didn't have any or can't find them...why would you make a statement that they are everywhere??
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You are the only one trying to prove anything here. I have only shown supported information.

This is exactly what you tried to do with me on the other thread. I don’t even feel your time to challenge the lights in your room was well spent. Or even necessary at all.

And I already complimented your grow. It looked great on both sides. Only sufficient usable light is needed to grow plants. There are many other factors.

You proved you have the usable light needed at less watts. And that’s it.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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ttystikk said:
https://www.freightfarms.com/home#why-freight-farms

You have way too much attitude and that jumping to conclusions thing you do lands you in one pile of bullshit after another.
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You really combed the internet for some obscure product just to try to prove me wrong.

You failed.

That page of product sales gloss has nothing to do with major indoor crop production.

And I bet that is the closest you will find.

Your time would be better spent reading all the links I provided about led testing and how light affects plants.

Or maybe I should just take you up on your threat of violence to teach me a lesson. Bet you have no real experience or knowledge to help you there either.

You are a rude crybaby. Try to learn something before trying to teach.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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ttystikk said:
First, bad analogy; people buy Ferraris as status symbols, not to street race.
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And at present, that's all a high end COB really is. The do the same exact job but cost triple the money. It's a perfect analogy.

ttystikk said:
Second, you're completely ignoring the time value of money and return on investment; the LED lights cost less to operate and need less HVAC. Not only does that mean you're saving money by buying a smaller air conditioner but the money saved in operation continually adds up. Many times it covers the difference in cost within the first year- and then it continues saving for the entire life of the unit..
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Not true. You use the same exact amount for either. In fact, typically the COBs produce more heat as they can't be incased in a tube with a reflector. You have to move air throughout the entire tent to cool it down vs. just a tube with an HPS.

You're just completely wrong as usual.

I've done the math on this at least a dozen times and you LED/COB fangirls completely ignore it.

Here are the facts:

A decent 600 watt HPS/MH cost 200 dollars. It uses 600 watts of power.

A comparible COB fixture cost 600 dollars. It uses 400 watts of power.

So you have to be able to save 400 dollars on your power bill to break even.

Right now where I live the cost per kilowatt hour is 11 cents.

(Wattage x Hours Used)/1,000 x Electric Rate ($/kWh) = Total Cost

COB cost per hour: .044 cents
HPS cost per hour: .066 cents

So if we veg 18 hours on for 5 weeks that comes to:

COB: $27.72
HPS: $41.58

Then we veg for 9 weeks at 12 hours on and that comes to:

COB: $33.26
HPS: $49.90

So for the entire 14 week grow, your total power cost is:

COB: $60.98
HPS: $91.48

A WHOPPING savings of: $30.50

At that rate, it will take you just over 13 grows to break even. Following that schedule, you will spend 182 weeks or 3.5 years before you just break even.

You people always talk smack about "ALL THIS MONEY YOU SAVE". No, you don't. You're simply trying to justify the Ferrari - the thing that cost triple what a car that does the same job does.
 
see4

see4

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I meant other than cannabis. Many of the big cannabis grows are just noobs with money.

And your argument for cobs is getting less compelling now.

Any led grower want to tell me if I buy now there won’t be better lamps soon?
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Of course there will be better tech right around the corner.

If I could buy a quantum board for $25 each and heatsinks for $15 each, and an hlg-320 costs me about $60... I feel like that would be a good investment. One, three panel setup, would cost $190 total. Most hps bulbs, good ones are like $80 or something aren't they?
 
hillbill

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Chunky Stool said:
Wally Diver
Color = Sparkle Fire Tiger

Catches *almost* everything that swims in freshwater. Troll ridges on hot days and you'll slay smallmouth bass!
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Flicker Shad by Berkley is a special one. I'm a late comer around here to this one but these are something else. Slick Mouse color works well all year multi species. Can hardly tell from a Shad Rap but fish can.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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MichiganMedGrower said:
You really combed the internet for some obscure product just to try to prove me wrong.

You failed.

That page of product sales gloss has nothing to do with major indoor crop production.

And I bet that is the closest you will find.

Your time would be better spent reading all the links I provided about led testing and how light affects plants.

Or maybe I should just take you up on your threat of violence to teach me a lesson. Bet you have no real experience or knowledge to help you there either.

You are a rude crybaby. Try to learn something before trying to teach.
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Awwww now you're just whining cuz you got spanked with some facts.
 
see4

see4

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TacoMac said:
And at present, that's all a high end COB really is. The do the same exact job but cost triple the money. It's a perfect analogy.



Not true. You use the same exact amount for either. In fact, typically the COBs produce more heat as they can't be incased in a tube with a reflector. You have to move air throughout the entire tent to cool it down vs. just a tube with an HPS.

You're just completely wrong as usual.

I've done the math on this at least a dozen times and you LED/COB fangirls completely ignore it.

Here are the facts:

A decent 600 watt HPS/MH cost 200 dollars. It uses 600 watts of power.

A comparible COB fixture cost 600 dollars. It uses 400 watts of power.

So you have to be able to save 400 dollars on your power bill to break even.

Right now where I live the cost per kilowatt hour is 11 cents.

(Wattage x Hours Used)/1,000 x Electric Rate ($/kWh) = Total Cost

COB cost per hour: .044 cents
HPS cost per hour: .066 cents

So if we veg 18 hours on for 5 weeks that comes to:

COB: $27.72
HPS: $41.58

Then we veg for 9 weeks at 12 hours on and that comes to:

COB: $33.26
HPS: $49.90

So for the entire 14 week grow, your total power cost is:

COB: $60.98
HPS: $91.48

A WHOPPING savings of: $30.50

At that rate, it will take you just over 13 grows to break even. Following that schedule, you will spend 182 weeks or 3.5 years before you just break even.

You people always talk smack about "ALL THIS MONEY YOU SAVE". No, you don't. You're simply trying to justify the Ferrari - the thing that cost triple what a car that does the same job does.
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How do you figure a COB fixture/ QB fixture costs $600? I could build a 10 panel 1200 watt setup for $600. For $200 I can build a 3 panel, ~400 watt at the wall setup.
 
Humple

Humple

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TacoMac said:
And at present, that's all a high end COB really is. The do the same exact job but cost triple the money. It's a perfect analogy.



Not true. You use the same exact amount for either. In fact, typically the COBs produce more heat as they can't be incased in a tube with a reflector. You have to move air throughout the entire tent to cool it down vs. just a tube with an HPS.

You're just completely wrong as usual.

I've done the math on this at least a dozen times and you LED/COB fangirls completely ignore it.

Here are the facts:

A decent 600 watt HPS/MH cost 200 dollars. It uses 600 watts of power.

A comparible COB fixture cost 600 dollars. It uses 400 watts of power.

So you have to be able to save 400 dollars on your power bill to break even.

Right now where I live the cost per kilowatt hour is 11 cents.

(Wattage x Hours Used)/1,000 x Electric Rate ($/kWh) = Total Cost

COB cost per hour: .044 cents
HPS cost per hour: .066 cents

So if we veg 18 hours on for 5 weeks that comes to:

COB: $27.72
HPS: $41.58

Then we veg for 9 weeks at 12 hours on and that comes to:

COB: $33.26
HPS: $49.90

So for the entire 14 week grow, your total power cost is:

COB: $60.98
HPS: $91.48

A WHOPPING savings of: $30.50

At that rate, it will take you just over 13 grows to break even. Following that schedule, you will spend 182 weeks or 3.5 years before you just break even.

You people always talk smack about "ALL THIS MONEY YOU SAVE". No, you don't. You're simply trying to justify the Ferrari - the thing that cost triple what a car that does the same job does.
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You must be comparing only to pre-built LED fixtures, because anyone spending $600 for a 400w LED fixture is spending a lot more than they need to. And you keep focusing on COBs, but what about strips? They're the most economical choice right now, and you can easily get into a light at less than $1/watt. As for the rest of your math - first it was 12 years to break even, but now it's 3.5? To be honest, 3.5 years sounds pretty damn good for lights that will easily last twice that.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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see4 said:
Of course there will be better tech right around the corner.

If I could buy a quantum board for $25 each and heatsinks for $15 each, and an hlg-320 costs me about $60... I feel like that would be a good investment. One, three panel setup, would cost $190 total. Most hps bulbs, good ones are like $80 or something aren't they?
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I pay about 60 dollars for Hortilux super hps 600’s. I replace at 9-10 months use.

I already own what I have and am poor so I have absolutely no need for new lighting at this time but I would like to know how much space and wattage what you are suggesting is and covers.

I can get 24 oz dense bud from a 3.5’x3.5’ space under each 600 now. Just as a meter. That’s when I mono cropped. I run a multi strain perpetual now and guage monthly production. So there are too many variables for this conversation.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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ttystikk said:
Did you notice how many they've sold?
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Yes but how the hell does that home farmer all in one retail unit have anything to do with what I said.

You might as well have shown a Colorado company ripping people off putting containers with lights in their yards so they don’t have to build a growroom.

the problem with you is you are a permanent hobby noob.
 
Buba Blend

Buba Blend

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@MichiganMedGrower
This is the post from the other thread you posted:
You’re funny always grouping yourself with others to make yourself sound right.
You do it because you doubt.


Why do they attack as a gang?
These were my 4 posts when I felt assaulted. Maybe I wasn't and I was just sensitive.
My 1st post:

Without watching the video produced by a company that sells LED, I'm going to guess LED won.
Let this thread die, the hps guys already won and have left the building.

My 2nd post:

Why is everybody so upset? If you guys insulted our light bulb or declared victory we would not get upset.

My 3rd post kind of irrelevant but IDK:

I haven't come close to running out of things to say.

My 4th post:

No. I don't want anyone's help. Just me and you tty. Can you ask the other trolls to shut up for a minute and we can talk.

I only created the 4th post because I could not keep up.
I wasn't that bad in these 4 posts was I?
Happy Growing!
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Buba Blend said:
@MichiganMedGrower
This is the post from the other thread you posted:
You’re funny always grouping yourself with others to make yourself sound right.
You do it because you doubt.


Why do they attack as a gang?
These were my 4 posts when I felt assaulted. Maybe I wasn't and I was just sensitive.
My 1st post:

Without watching the video produced by a company that sells LED, I'm going to guess LED won.
Let this thread die, the hps guys already won and have left the building.

My 2nd post:

Why is everybody so upset? If you guys insulted our light bulb or declared victory we would not get upset.

My 3rd post kind of irrelevant but IDK:

I haven't come close to running out of things to say.

My 4th post:

No. I don't want anyone's help. Just me and you tty. Can you ask the other trolls to shut up for a minute and we can talk.

I only created the 4th post because I could not keep up.
I wasn't that bad in these 4 posts was I?
Happy Growing!
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Trolls will be trolls. When it comes to something tty said he was an expert about he will try his best to win.

Win what?. I still have no idea.
 
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