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Capt. Stickyfingers

Capt. Stickyfingers

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bob harris said:
Land race Sativa..SE Asia. Responds really well to uvb, trich coverage will double in the next couple weeks. But the real benefit of the uvb is thcv production....It's not that they have trichlomes (although more always helps) it's what's IN the trichlomes.
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How long does it flower?
 
ferrarismoke

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Some of these pics are insane- KUDOS!
I was thinking of posting pics of my girl and three of her friends naked in a bed smoking 2 18 gram blunts I rolled/ pot porn lol the thread name threw me off!!!!
 
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bob harris

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:
How long does it flower?
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That depends on how you define "flower'. It's in my flower room for 8-9 weeks. But it's on 12/12 in veg right after it roots. If moved from 24/0 to 12/12 It would take 13-14 weeks. Flowering time can be accelerated by dropping night temps, and changing the light schedule to 11/13, but now that I have a perpetual grow, and plants at different stages in the flower room, I don't play with the light schedule. I do keep the night temps low though, doesn't seem to hurt the young uns, other than to encourage a little longer internode spacing. She will get ungodly tall if you let her. Training is a must to keep her around 3ft when finished.

One thing I do like is that she will drop(with a little help) most of her fan leaves before she finishes...saves some manicure time and makes drying easier.

She runs best at 77-78 degrees daytime, with a 67-68 night time. Humidity I keep at 50%, co2 at 1200. They say that high co2 at the end of flower can hurt potency, I've never seen that, I keep it at 1200 because going any higher produces no benefit for me. Damn things probably want more light to "rev" up to higher co2 and higher temps.

I'm not trying to say "I grow the best weed on earth"..just that this strain and the way I grow it happens to work the best for my Parkinson's of anything I've seen.

Lots of people grow great stuff...but more grow poorly. And the poor growers seem to grow the most.
 
SketchyGrower

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Never used CO2, or UVB on my plants.... Been meaning to use Co2 never seen IRL benefit from using UVB...look forward to pic's for sure.
 
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SketchyGrower said:
Never used CO2, or UVB on my plants.... Been meaning to use Co2 never seen IRL benefit from using UVB...look forward to pic's for sure.
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Co2 helps a lot. Thing is most people mis use it. They think that 1600ppm is the right amount, but that totally depends on your environment. You need high light intensity and proper temps to get full advantage. Most grows I've seen do best between 1000ppm and 1200 ppm or so..generally because they don't have enough light intensity to "drive the engine" more.

It's kinda like building a drag car. You can put on a bigger carb, but if the exhaust is still stock, you'll probably get little or no gain. It's all in balancing the conditions of the grow.

UVB works great on strains that are equatorial in nature, primarily near pure Sativa's. Many indica's show little benefit from uvb, although it can't hurt. (well it can, if you get the lights to close, or it's sensitive to uvb) but if you do try uvb introduce it slowly..and see how your strain reacts. I built up from 15 min on every 2 hours when I first started it..until I found this strain will take it on the entire daylight cycle.

I'll post pics in a week or so, after they fatten a little more.
 
SketchyGrower

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Nice info, although I have seen different out comes with colder temps..(maturing taking longer).. Also was not flowering a sativa. ;)

I'd like to see the outcome if any UVB would do on this lady



 
cephalopod

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In your opinion Bob, what are ideal temps for a Co2 enriched op with adequate lighting, ect? I've often heard people advocate higher temps, but would like to here your take. Also, how would you say is and adequate amount light for these conditions?
bob harris said:
Co2 helps a lot. Thing is most people mis use it. They think that 1600ppm is the right amount, but that totally depends on your environment. You need high light intensity and proper temps to get full advantage. Most grows I've seen do best between 1000ppm and 1200 ppm or so..generally because they don't have enough light intensity to "drive the engine" more.

It's kinda like building a drag car. You can put on a bigger carb, but if the exhaust is still stock, you'll probably get little or no gain. It's all in balancing the conditions of the grow.

UVB works great on strains that are equatorial in nature, primarily near pure Sativa's. Many indica's show little benefit from uvb, although it can't hurt. (well it can, if you get the lights to close, or it's sensitive to uvb) but if you do try uvb introduce it slowly..and see how your strain reacts. I built up from 15 min on every 2 hours when I first started it..until I found this strain will take it on the entire daylight cycle.

I'll post pics in a week or so, after they fatten a little more.
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cephalopod said:
In your opinion Bob, what are ideal temps for a Co2 enriched op with adequate lighting, ect? I've often heard people advocate higher temps, but would like to here your take. Also, how would you say is and adequate amount light for these conditions?
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I don't think there is one answer. Like a lot of thing it's going to be strain dependent. Let me address the components separately:

These are only my opinions, based on my experiences:

Light: 50 watts per sq foot minimum. A plant with broad fingers on the leaf will do ok at 50 watts per sq ft, 75 watts per sq ft minimum for a slender fingered Sativa. Indica's can get by with less light because the leaf surface (solar panel if you will) is bigger. I grow Sativa and find it will use as much light as I can keep cool.

Temps: Given lots of light and good humidity control and air circulation, heat can actually help the plant metabolize faster. Up to 90 degrees if all conditions are right. Lots of rookies add co2 because they have high temps, and think the co2 will help minimize the effects of the high temps. It won't, unless the light is intense enough, the humidity is controlled, and the feeding schedule is correct.

CO2 Levels: Ambient co2 levels are usually around 350 to 400 ppm. Increasing to even 700 helps, with 1600ppm being the max the plant can use in perfect conditions.

Humidity: High co2 levels create more humidity. Humidity above 60% isn't great for flowering plants..mold problems may arise. So humidity control is important. A thin fingered Sativa can deal with high humidity better that a fat fingered Indica. The leaves transpire out of the bottom of the leaf. An indica with big leaves, tends to have leaves touching one another, which traps the moisture and sets up the conditions for mold. Lower humidity not only reduces the chance of mold, but will cause the plant to produce more tichclomes in an effort to protect itself from drying out.


Food: As light, co2 and temps increase, the plant will require a heavier feeding schedule.

It's a lot like building a muscle car. The goal is to go faster. But just adding parts doesn't accomplish that. The parts all have to compliment each other. A bigger carb and cam won't help if the exhaust hasn't been upgraded. If the car doesn't get traction, work on suspension and tires, not more power.

For my strain, it would take more light to make revving up temps and co2 have positive effects. I've got 1800 watts over a 6 x 4 (24 sq ft) growing area..75 watts per sq ft. If I added another 600 watts, I'd raise the co2 and temps some. If I were growing an Indica in my room, the light I have would probably be sufficient to raise temps and co2 and see added results.

But again, there is no set formula..each strain will react differently.

I've grown the same strain for years, and come to my temp, co2, humidity and feeding schedule over many grows, tracking the results. I'm certainly not suggesting my room environmental settings as ideal for every strain...just what works for mine.
 
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Here is an updated photo..4 days of uvb so far..I think you'll see the difference in trich coverage already..and it's just getting started. Didn't take them out from under the lights, so the color is off, but you can see the trichs building..
 

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bob harris

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SketchyGrower said:
Good stuff bob keep us updated.

What week is this total from clone?
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This is around week 11 from clone. Probably 2 weeks to go. I start 12/12 under T5's right after they have roots. As with a few sativas, it will have 2 harvest windows..the first is past. If you look at the original photo, you can see that many pistols already have turned brown, and the calyxs have swollen. Now it's in it's second round, "stacking" new pistol growth...just water and molasses from here out.

To be totally honest, I don't even keep track of days anymore. They are done when they are done.

Lots of growers get tired of waiting for Sativa's, and harvest in the first "ripeness window"..big mistake in my opinion. Lots of weight and potency packs on in the last couple weeks if you wait. Not to mention the interesting "flavanoids".
 
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bob harris

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purklize said:
Are you saying it makes it more stimulating or "psychedelic"? When I used UVB it seemed to do the same, and the side facing the UVB definitely frosted up a lot more. But I only had one plant of each strain so I wasn't able to do comparisons. I get the feeling I could've used the UVB a lot more, I usually turned it on for about 30 minutes a day, and it was 1-2ft from the plant it faced. It would be good to know not to use it on indicas and to use it on sativas if a stimulating effect is desired.

Would you be up for describing what you do with the UVB? :weed:
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Missed this or I would have responded sooner.

Uvb does increase trichlome coverage, but more importantly it stimulates thcv production. And yes, that equates to a much more "alert" effect. Could be described as more "psychedelic" , though I'd say psychoactive.

I use 3, 26 watt 10.0 uvb bulbs on each plant. This strain can take the uvb all 12 hours of the daylight cycle. I only use it the last couple of weeks. The penetration of uvb is only about 20 inches...that makes placing the lights kinda critical. Too close and they will "melt" leaves. I keep them 7 inches or so from the top of the plant.

This will test out at 23% to 24% total thc when done....and that my friends, is about as good as it gets.
 
Capt. Stickyfingers

Capt. Stickyfingers

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bob harris said:
That depends on how you define "flower'. It's in my flower room for 8-9 weeks. But it's on 12/12 in veg right after it roots. If moved from 24/0 to 12/12 It would take 13-14 weeks. Flowering time can be accelerated by dropping night temps, and changing the light schedule to 11/13, but now that I have a perpetual grow, and plants at different stages in the flower room, I don't play with the light schedule. I do keep the night temps low though, doesn't seem to hurt the young uns, other than to encourage a little longer internode spacing. She will get ungodly tall if you let her. Training is a must to keep her around 3ft when finished.

One thing I do like is that she will drop(with a little help) most of her fan leaves before she finishes...saves some manicure time and makes drying easier.

She runs best at 77-78 degrees daytime, with a 67-68 night time. Humidity I keep at 50%, co2 at 1200. They say that high co2 at the end of flower can hurt potency, I've never seen that, I keep it at 1200 because going any higher produces no benefit for me. Damn things probably want more light to "rev" up to higher co2 and higher temps.

I'm not trying to say "I grow the best weed on earth"..just that this strain and the way I grow it happens to work the best for my Parkinson's of anything I've seen.

Lots of people grow great stuff...but more grow poorly. And the poor growers seem to grow the most.
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So it flowers for 14 weeks. What do you mean its on 12/12 in veg? If it's on 12/12 it's not in veg. Flowering means flowering, it wasn't a trick question, but you're giving trick answers, whats up with that?!? You been drinking Bob? Lol.
 
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bob harris

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Capt. Stickyfingers said:
So it flowers for 14 weeks. What do you mean its on 12/12 in veg? If it's on 12/12 it's not in veg. Flowering means flowering, it wasn't a trick question, but you're giving trick answers, whats up with that?!? You been drinking Bob? Lol.
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It is all flower time. But I think of it as veg because it's under t5's, and not in the "flower room".
But, yes..12/12 is in flower no matter what the light source.
 
MrSlick

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bob harris said:
I don't think there is one answer. Like a lot of thing it's going to be strain dependent. Let me address the components separately:

These are only my opinions, based on my experiences:

Light: 50 watts per sq foot minimum. A plant with broad fingers on the leaf will do ok at 50 watts per sq ft, 75 watts per sq ft minimum for a slender fingered Sativa. Indica's can get by with less light because the leaf surface (solar panel if you will) is bigger. I grow Sativa and find it will use as much light as I can keep cool.

Temps: Given lots of light and good humidity control and air circulation, heat can actually help the plant metabolize faster. Up to 90 degrees if all conditions are right. Lots of rookies add co2 because they have high temps, and think the co2 will help minimize the effects of the high temps. It won't, unless the light is intense enough, the humidity is controlled, and the feeding schedule is correct.

CO2 Levels: Ambient co2 levels are usually around 350 to 400 ppm. Increasing to even 700 helps, with 1600ppm being the max the plant can use in perfect conditions.

Humidity: High co2 levels create more humidity. Humidity above 60% isn't great for flowering plants..mold problems may arise. So humidity control is important. A thin fingered Sativa can deal with high humidity better that a fat fingered Indica. The leaves transpire out of the bottom of the leaf. An indica with big leaves, tends to have leaves touching one another, which traps the moisture and sets up the conditions for mold. Lower humidity not only reduces the chance of mold, but will cause the plant to produce more tichclomes in an effort to protect itself from drying out.


Food: As light, co2 and temps increase, the plant will require a heavier feeding schedule.

It's a lot like building a muscle car. The goal is to go faster. But just adding parts doesn't accomplish that. The parts all have to compliment each other. A bigger carb and cam won't help if the exhaust hasn't been upgraded. If the car doesn't get traction, work on suspension and tires, not more power.

For my strain, it would take more light to make revving up temps and co2 have positive effects. I've got 1800 watts over a 6 x 4 (24 sq ft) growing area..75 watts per sq ft. If I added another 600 watts, I'd raise the co2 and temps some. If I were growing an Indica in my room, the light I have would probably be sufficient to raise temps and co2 and see added results.

But again, there is no set formula..each strain will react differently.

I've grown the same strain for years, and come to my temp, co2, humidity and feeding schedule over many grows, tracking the results. I'm certainly not suggesting my room environmental settings as ideal for every strain...just what works for mine.
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Well said!!! I was wondering if there was an actual watt/area formula... now I know. ;-)
 
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