Bubblelicious, New York Power Diesel, and Super Skunk in DWC

Yeah, nothing changed as far as footprint. He started flowering with the 1000w and it blew after about 1 week in. He borrowed the 600w digital and he already had a 600w bulb. He used the same hood and the same tables. I would estimate that the size of the buds were 50% smaller this harvest compared to the last ones. His flower area is about 3x5.

Overall his buds were a lot smaller. Maybe there were other variables involved, but it sure seemed like the light made a huge difference. We didn't REALLY notice the difference until we cut them down. He ordered a new 1000w digital ballast the next day. He's still waiting for it to arrive.

Yesterday, I was over there trimming. Every now and then one of us would yell "600 SUCKS" lol.

smokingrubber said:

Yeah, nothing changed as far as footprint. He started flowering with the 1000w and it blew after about 1 week in. He borrowed the 600w digital and he already had a 600w bulb. He used the same hood and the same tables. I would estimate that the size of the buds were 50% smaller this harvest compared to the last ones. His flower area is about 3x5.

Overall his buds were a lot smaller. Maybe there were other variables involved, but it sure seemed like the light made a huge difference. We didn't REALLY notice the difference until we cut them down. He ordered a new 1000w digital ballast the next day. He's still waiting for it to arrive.

Yesterday, I was over there trimming. Every now and then one of us would yell "600 SUCKS" lol.

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I like to hear this as I was debating the 600W vs 1000w dilemma. 3 1000's vs 4 -600's. testing 3 - 1000's wondering if 4 - 600's would have been better. but seeing others grows I'm hoping for the best from the 1000's. everything look good so far.

There are a couple of factors influencing my decision:

1) Better coverage - my footprint is ~6x6, so 4 600s would leave every inch of that pretty well lit, whereas the 2 1Ks would leave the center "too bright" and the perimeter not lit well enough.
2) Since my footprint is limited, I'd like to pack every watt in (that makes sense), so again, the 600s win
3) Cost - clearly better with the 1Ks, but nothing that can't be recouped fairly quickly
4) Height restrictions - can have the 600s closer to the canopy without as high a risk of light-bleaching, which I like - the reflectors I'll be using are (virtually) the same size as the 3x3 tables, so even with the lights right on top of the canopy, the perimeter will still be well-covered.
5) Even though 1Ks penetrate deeper then 600s, with how short I grow my plants, that extra penetration isn't needed and is (actually) somewhat wasted - the 600s give mee th best bang for my buck in the 1-2' range away from the light, which is where the light in my garden is most needed.

Again, it all depends on footprint - three 1Ks in a 6x6 area makes no sense - even on light movers, that's still more lumens then the plants could really hope to use.

And then, without light movers, any footprint (IMO) that can't be broken down into "squares" (which would each get their own light source) doesn't make a lot of sense - I know some people say that Adjust-a-Wings are perfect for rectangular footprints, but I'm just not really buying it.

i like using the aircooled 600s to keep closer to the canopy and less hot spots like u said. sounds pretty god to me.

Let's start with the bad - the fucking smell in my garage is overwhelming.

It's leaking out, and is really starting to be a security concern - thankfully ordered a "real deal" ozone generator that should be here in a few days, but I'm not content with that, so here's the plan:

Since I have a carbon filter sitting in my tent that is never used (literally, the exhaust fans NEVER come on), I'm going to mount that and the 6" inline it's attached to right in the middle of the garage, and just be steady cleaning the air throughout the garage, 24/7 - anyone think of any issues with that?

Also, I'm gonna install the new ozone generator as soon as I get it, so hopefully this smell problem will be a thing of the past sooner rather then later.

Would love to be able to put panda film over the garage door, but there's so much shit there that I can't even get to it.

Now, the good news:

1) the new 45 gallon reservoir for the veg tent is working marvelously - fifteen gallons larger so I can run both pumps to both trays at the same time, I'm loving it.
2) Flowering plants are coming along - chopping the tops in 12 days (thereabouts), and then might let the bottoms go for a little longer (depending on how much bud matter is left over after I chop)
3) Took the humidity dome off of the rockwool clones yesterday for a few hours, came back and thought that half of them were dead - put it back on, and they all seem to be okay, and there's root growth on a decent amount of them.
4) Since there's root growth, hoping I can transplant them in a few days and then take the massive number of clones on or about 2.1.10, and then (hopefully) start flowering sometime around 2.10, or 2.14 at the latest.

Since temps are going to be an issue, going to have the lights going at night for this run - 9pm on, 9am off.

That's about all I've got for now - will try to take some pics tomorrow morning.

Putting the filter in the middle of the room is a good idea. The ozone generator is a concern though. Where are you putting that? Ozone is not good for the plants so if you're just ozoning the whole garage, that's a problem. The filter should do an adequate job all by itself.

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Putting the filter in the middle of the room is a good idea. The ozone generator is a concern though. Where are you putting that? Ozone is not good for the plants so if you're just ozoning the whole garage, that's a problem. The filter should do an adequate job all by itself.

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The ozone generator would just be in the garage (out in the open), like my other one is - bought one a few weeks ago that's designed to handle 1000sq. feet, and it worked really well for a few weeks, but now that the ladies are in full flower, it just can't keep up.

The one I have coming is designed for 5500 square feet (mind you the garage is 200 square feet), and I'm not real concerned about just having it out in the open - the flower tent is (for all intents and purposes) sealed, and the veg tent is on the other side of the garage from where it'd be located.

But yeah, the filter needs to do some work - I doubt it's been on for two minutes since I've had it, which is just silly - gonna get on that sooner rather then later.

Dont forget to plan for the future. If your pulling the exhaust fans to fun the filter, you'll probly need those when it gets warmer. You must have hella stinky strains. From my expierience, hydro dramatically lowers the smell of the garden. Dont know if that is more so with dwc vs ebb&flo, but I have never had a stink problem. But I might have to see if it becomes one with my flower space being doubled. Let me know how much you like that generator Bob. My OzoneJR gets the job done now, but will probly upgrade. I found an in duct one that foes the whole house at human safe levels for $500. Thats what I'm thinking of upgrading to, but I dont see that working for the garage, untill the split ac is unstalled.

Integra21 said:

Dont forget to plan for the future. If your pulling the exhaust fans to fun the filter, you'll probly need those when it gets warmer. You must have hella stinky strains. From my expierience, hydro dramatically lowers the smell of the garden. Dont know if that is more so with dwc vs ebb&flo, but I have never had a stink problem. But I might have to see if it becomes one with my flower space being doubled. Let me know how much you like that generator Bob. My OzoneJR gets the job done now, but will probly upgrade. I found an in duct one that foes the whole house at human safe levels for $500. Thats what I'm thinking of upgrading to, but I dont see that working for the garage, untill the split ac is unstalled.

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Yeah, good point - I can leave the exhaust fan in there and just take the filter out and swap a fan out from my veg tent, though, so that shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Also hoping that with the hopeful April 15th harvest date and running my lights at night, that heat never gets to be that big of a concern, but we'll see.

I have the CAP OZN Jr right now, and it worked great for a bit, but it's stinky as all fuck in there right now - the one I ordered is also a CAP, but 5.5 times as powerful.

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Yeah, good point - I can leave the exhaust fan in there and just take the filter out and swap a fan out from my veg tent, though, so that shouldn't be that big of a deal.

Also hoping that with the hopeful April 15th harvest date and running my lights at night, that heat never gets to be that big of a concern, but we'll see.

I have the CAP OZN Jr right now, and it worked great for a bit, but it's stinky as all fuck in there right now - the one I ordered is also a CAP, but 5.5 times as powerful.

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I use a Uvonair 1000 and that thing cleans up all my stinkies. I use it conjunction with my carbon filter hooked up properly to my tent though. I have mine only come on for 15 minutes every hour and a half and it does the job.

Ozone has a 30 minute half-life so as long as it's not running constantly it's not cumulative and it won't kill your plants. My suggestion is to get one way too big for your growspace and use the timers to regulate it's use. It's better to blast ozone for 15 minutes then to leave it on constantly.

Bob, check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0uRrMvfucY

They set up a HYDROgen generator and 6k watts in a trade-show tent. No AC. This mf is a plumber for sure! He's got some really good ideas in there!

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Bob, check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0uRrMvfucY

They set up a HYDROgen generator and 6k watts in a trade-show tent. No AC. This mf is a plumber for sure! He's got some really good ideas in there!

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i already suggested these ice boxes to bob. i dont think hes too interested in them. ill be using them on my new grow room however. but ill be cooling them with my 32000 gallon swimming pool and not a water chiller. hopefully they can work without a water chiller.

whens chop day bob?

Sorry I've been MIA - doing prep work for a phone interview I've got in a couple of hours for a dream job, so that's taken precedence, unfortunately.

Anywho, got my smell problem fixed - just removed the ducting to outside the tent from my exhaust fan and plugged it into its own outlet, so now it's running 24/7 inside the tent, cleaning the air - smells like pure nothing in the garage (too bad that ozone generator's gonna be here today or tomorrow, cuz I don't even need the fucker right now, methinks).

As far as the ice boxes, they're certainly things that I've considered, but without a reasonable temp to start with, I don't think they'd be that useful; also, it seems like one more thing that could go wrong to me, so a standard portable AC in the tent just seems simpler.

Rbaha, chopping in 9 days - saw your numbers so far off of 59, looking good

BTW, you mind posting a pic or a link to that spinpro you were talking about? I Googled it and couldn't find much of anything.

The majority of rockwool clones are rooted, so I'm gonna transplant those within the next day or two, and then (hopefully) take 198 clones in 9 days when I chop.

Let the chopped weed dry in my tent for ~10 days, then start the new run on or about February 10th.

That's the goal, anyways.

All right, enough clowning around, back to my three greatest weaknesses

here is a demonstration video.
http://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=788


and here is the link for it.
http://www.growwurks.com/spinpro-hand-trim-leaf-trimmer.aspx

i got mine for $400 from my hydro store. this is one of my best purchases by far. this thing works like a charm.

rbahadosingh said:

here is a demonstration video.
http://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=788


and here is the link for it.
http://www.growwurks.com/spinpro-hand-trim-leaf-trimmer.aspx

i got mine for $400 from my hydro store. this is one of my best purchases by far. this thing works like a charm.

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Damn, that little fucker is badass - so no clogging issues so far? Have you trimmed all 59 plants, and if so, how long did it take?

Just remove large stems and fan leaves and that's it?

EDIT: in case anyone was wondering, I have no idea how that phone interview went. Will know more by Tuesday.

rbahadosingh said:

here is a demonstration video.
http://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=788


and here is the link for it.
http://www.growwurks.com/spinpro-hand-trim-leaf-trimmer.aspx

i got mine for $400 from my hydro store. this is one of my best purchases by far. this thing works like a charm.

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Looks good. I've always been Leary about putting fine buds into a mechanical trimmer. I have never used one or seen one firsthand being used. What are your impressions. Looks like your supporting the use of one? Any downsides? Damaged buds? Thanks.

When is that supposed to be done? It looks like he's going straight from the first chop to the spinner? No hanging up first? Just chop it down, cut off the buds, spin, and put in the net basket for a few days?

That's a must have imo. If it comes with extra blades, that must mean they break a lot. How often do you have to fix it and how many lbs before a new pack of blades is required?

Bob Smith said:

Damn, that little fucker is badass - so no clogging issues so far? Have you trimmed all 59 plants, and if so, how long did it take?

Just remove large stems and fan leaves and that's it?

EDIT: in case anyone was wondering, I have no idea how that phone interview went. Will know more by Tuesday.

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this thing is the shit. no clogging at all. the only problem i have ran into so far is if you leave the stems long they will bend the wire that trims the leaves. but it came with a bunch of extra wires and changing the wire takes about 30 sec. just remove big fans and buds from the stem and put in the machine. i hand trimmed the first 10 plants. which took between 20 - 30 min per plant. then got fed up and bought the spinpro. this thing is amazing. everytime i put buds inside, spin it and open it im still amazed. now i can do a plant in about 5 min or less. no BS.

cazador said:

Looks good. I've always been Leary about putting fine buds into a mechanical trimmer. I have never used one or seen one firsthand being used. What are your impressions. Looks like your supporting the use of one? Any downsides? Damaged buds? Thanks.

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my impressions??? GO BUY ONE NOW! no j/k. but seriously this thing is nothing less than amazing. if you like sitting with scissors for hours upon hours meticulously trimming buds then this is not for you. but if you want something that will make harvesting easier than ever then invest in one. they even have some that have a motor on top so you dont have to turn then hadle. i think they are like $100 more though.
no downsides. no damaged buds. just trimming made easy.

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When is that supposed to be done? It looks like he's going straight from the first chop to the spinner? No hanging up first? Just chop it down, cut off the buds, spin, and put in the net basket for a few days?

That's a must have imo. If it comes with extra blades, that must mean they break a lot. How often do you have to fix it and how many lbs before a new pack of blades is required?

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straight from plant to spinpro. all i do is remove big fans and stems. no hanging or anything. i have a 8 tier net i got from my hydro store to dry the buds. after they are processed i just lay them on the net.
it does come with extra blades but they do not break often. if you trim the stems well the blades will last long. since i changed the first one i havent had to change again. not sure on how many lbs before change.

sorry for the hijack bob. now back to his grow