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personified

Active Member
Sorry I took so long to answer. I had a road rage indecent and had to adjust someones attitude and re-injured a previous injury so I have been slightly preoccupied.

I still have to set up power and the lab it self so I am a little ways a away from a good test environment. Got to get all my gasess and then do some simple self testing to make sure the device is calibrated correctly and then do some verification tests. That is what is cool about this machine...if I follow the instructions it is pretty straight froward.

Please let the skeptics chime in so that I can try to answer your questions any input negative or positive I will take and try to answer.
 

personified

Active Member
For me it is not about the money it is about the knowledge. I got this machine from a lab I traded an ERP program for it so it is basically free just a little labor. It was given to the lab by raytheon and now in my possession all because of my hustle. The LC is about 2-4K depending on ebay so that is not too bad and well within reach when I decide to really get down and nerdy!!

Is there no one that just wants to know everything about this plant like I do? I believe I can actually influence CBDs in a way no one has thought of I just need to prove it. I think we are missing the real medicine do to our stoner needs and wants which frustrates me to no end. Hell in the FEDS eyes we are all felons so what else is new?

I am also really tired of forum experts that have no foundation other than regurgitation of some previous post. I need to know the truth!! I need to quantify and qualify my answers not just hey dude its like this.
 

Glaucoma

Well-Known Member
Yeah, my BS Detector just went off the scale.

I'm highly skeptical of anybody who tells patients to get weed on CL and tries to sell Indians' grow rights for outrageous monthly weed/cash stipends. Slipping a tough guy post into a thread where you fancy yourself a chemist/scientist was awesome, too, btw.

I've been inside several modern labs (and by no means exceptional, just common labs) and I know it's more than a HS graduate following a checklist on a machine that sells for less than a second-hand Subaru. Serious research requires money and specific education. Ambition alone is very rarely enough.
 

personified

Active Member
Wonderful for you guys now I am going to play with my machine. I am not sure about whom you speak but I will read it happily. Now as far as standards the ones I mentioned above are valid and here is another article that addresses the same methods at http://www.unodc.org/documents/scientific/ST-NAR-40-Ebook.pdf


You know that little unknown organization compared to yours they call the United Nations. Some day they hope to grow up and be a big organization that is recognized by the world.
 

personified

Active Member
Yeah, my BS Detector just went off the scale.

I'm highly skeptical of anybody who tells patients to get weed on CL and tries to sell Indians' grow rights for outrageous monthly weed/cash stipends. Slipping a tough guy post into a thread where you fancy yourself a chemist/scientist was awesome, too, btw.

I've been inside several modern labs (and by no means exceptional, just common labs) and I know it's more than a HS graduate following a checklist on a machine that sells for less than a second-hand Subaru. Serious research requires money and specific education. Ambition alone is very rarely enough.
Really? ISO standards require checklist to prevent problems; I assume you have never tried to adhere to such standards. I am also a little more than a high school graduate :)

As far as the indians go that may be my greatest asset from people I have all ready helped. You do know the nation has labs right? You do know that the people that work at the nation are usually Indians right? Did I mention I have all ready helped them and want to help more?

Hmmm your probably correct I will never be able to come up with a machine and the experience to do the task. After all look at you still working at a lab with all of your experience and expertise. I am sure there is a reason your not in charge probably your skill set is to great for the world you work in. Sounds to me like you work in a hydro store in Tucson and go to the U of A or at least one of you do.

Let me help you with ISO Standards you may want to read this article about documentation required to meet standards set forth by the international community. After all it is a higher standard that I can tell you are not use to.

http://www.iso.org/iso/02_guidance_on_the_documentation_requirements_of_iso_9001_2008..pdf



PS Tough guy? No, it was self defense and I am hurt. There is no battle where both sides are victorious there is always attrition.
 

aisach

Active Member
Interesting YouTube video.
ISO standards, and UN methodology. I think I am speechless on that.
Since the US is fatally behind the curve on cannabis, I am not surprised that you have to get your best info from international sources.
Marijuana is a very dangerous drug here in the US, you know. LOL
Looking forward to hearing how things are going along the way.
 

Glaucoma

Well-Known Member
Really? ISO standards require checklist to prevent problems; I assume you have never tried to adhere to such standards. I am also a little more than a high school graduate :)
I said that it's more than just a HS grad and a checklist. I did not say checklists are not needed or used. I have years of experience in Aerospace so talking to me about checklists and standards is quite laughable. People fuck up and pencil whip checklists quite often. Also, I did not say you were only a HS graduate, but now that your bring it up.. given your writing and level of comprehension I would find it very hard to believe you've passed a college level English course, even if English is not your native language.

As far as the indians go that may be my greatest asset from people I have all ready helped.
What? Is that some more of that college level English you passed in order to get your degree?

You do know the nation has labs right? You do know that the people that work at the nation are usually Indians right? Did I mention I have all ready helped them and want to help more?
Do you know that I am aware of Indian reservations? Could you possibly know that I have direct family that works for the Tribal Council at Window Rock? Of course you couldn't. And of course, none of us here have ever heard of Indians. Now remind me what difference it makes if there is a lab on a reservation with Indians working in it.

Hmmm your probably correct I will never be able to come up with a machine and the experience to do the task. After all look at you still working at a lab with all of your experience and expertise. I am sure there is a reason your not in charge probably your skill set is to great for the world you work in. Sounds to me like you work in a hydro store in Tucson and go to the U of A or at least one of you do.

Let me help you with ISO Standards you may want to read this article about documentation required to meet standards set forth by the international community. After all it is a higher standard that I can tell you are not use to.

http://www.iso.org/iso/02_guidance_on_the_documentation_requirements_of_iso_9001_2008..pdf
Where did I say you'd never come up with a machine? You already said you had one. Where did I say that you wouldn't be able to operate the machine? Where did I say that I worked in a lab? Your comprehension is seriously lacking and you expect me to believe that you can follow and execute a check list? And now we are back to quoting standards, huh? Awesome. You come in here telling us you are going to debunk this and that with a second hand machine and no experience as if you were the first person to ever come up with the idea. You asked for comments and you got them. You are out of your league. That's just how it is. A guy with no experience and a second hand machine just can't compete with somebody who has a degree in Chemistry and uses million dollar equipment.

You wanna tinker? Fine. Have at it. But stop pretending like you are a scientist who will right all the mistakes of everyone who's ever put marijuana into a lab machine.

PS Tough guy? No, it was self defense and I am hurt. There is no battle where both sides are victorious there is always attrition.
First you spout off about how you had to "adjust someone's attitude" like some meat head, and now you act like the philosophical warrior? LOL, ok buddy. Your line there doesn't even make sense. Of course both sides can't be victorious, and there is always attrition except when there isn't. Do you even know what attrition means?
 

personified

Active Member
I said that it's more than just a HS grad and a checklist. I did not say checklists are not needed or used. I have years of experience in Aerospace so talking to me about checklists and standards is quite laughable. People fuck up and pencil whip checklists quite often. Also, I did not say you were only a HS graduate, but now that your bring it up.. given your writing and level of comprehension I would find it very hard to believe you've passed a college level English course, even if English is not your native language.



What? Is that some more of that college level English you passed in order to get your degree?



Do you know that I am aware of Indian reservations? Could you possibly know that I have direct family that works for the Tribal Council at Window Rock? Of course you couldn't. And of course, none of us here have ever heard of Indians. Now remind me what difference it makes if there is a lab on a reservation with Indians working in it.



Where did I say you'd never come up with a machine? You already said you had one. Where did I say that you wouldn't be able to operate the machine? Where did I say that I worked in a lab? Your comprehension is seriously lacking and you expect me to believe that you can follow and execute a check list? And now we are back to quoting standards, huh? Awesome. You come in here telling us you are going to debunk this and that with a second hand machine and no experience as if you were the first person to ever come up with the idea. You asked for comments and you got them. You are out of your league. That's just how it is. A guy with no experience and a second hand machine just can't compete with somebody who has a degree in Chemistry and uses million dollar equipment.

You wanna tinker? Fine. Have at it. But stop pretending like you are a scientist who will right all the mistakes of everyone who's ever put marijuana into a lab machine.



First you spout off about how you had to "adjust someone's attitude" like some meat head, and now you act like the philosophical warrior? LOL, ok buddy. Your line there doesn't even make sense. Of course both sides can't be victorious, and there is always attrition except when there isn't. Do you even know what attrition means?

I said that it's more than just a HS grad and a checklist. I did not say checklists are not needed or used. I have years of experience in Aerospace so talking to me about checklists and standards is quite laughable. People fuck up and pencil whip checklists quite often. Also, I did not say you were only a HS graduate, but now that your bring it up.. given your writing and level of comprehension I would find it very hard to believe you've passed a college level English course, even if English is not your native language.



What? Is that some more of that college level English you passed in order to get your degree?



Do you know that I am aware of Indian reservations? Could you possibly know that I have direct family that works for the Tribal Council at Window Rock? Of course you couldn't. And of course, none of us here have ever heard of Indians. Now remind me what difference it makes if there is a lab on a reservation with Indians working in it.



Where did I say you'd never come up with a machine? You already said you had one. Where did I say that you wouldn't be able to operate the machine? Where did I say that I worked in a lab? Your comprehension is seriously lacking and you expect me to believe that you can follow and execute a check list? And now we are back to quoting standards, huh? Awesome. You come in here telling us you are going to debunk this and that with a second hand machine and no experience as if you were the first person to ever come up with the idea. You asked for comments and you got them. You are out of your league. That's just how it is. A guy with no experience and a second hand machine just can't compete with somebody who has a degree in Chemistry and uses million dollar equipment.

You wanna tinker? Fine. Have at it. But stop pretending like you are a scientist who will right all the mistakes of everyone who's ever put marijuana into a lab machine.



First you spout off about how you had to "adjust someone's attitude" like some meat head, and now you act like the philosophical warrior? LOL, ok buddy. Your line there doesn't even make sense. Of course both sides can't be victorious, and there is always attrition except when there isn't. Do you even know what attrition means?

My illiteracy has been established by probably the same person now in a different profile. You guys and your profiles LOL!!! Smoked out another one too easy and now I think I know who you are. We meet the other day did we not?

Now as far as language skills go look up what an Enterprise Resource Program is or just go look at the system at any dispensary to know what it is. They are large and very complexe programs written in a object oriented language.

Then realize for about 40 hours of work I just earned a 20K+ machine. Not to mention I now have a program I can resell to other labs that need to be ISO compliant which can be installed and configured in a few hours. Look up online and find the cheapest ERP you can you will find what I charged is about 20% of market for the really big shops.

So which language skills do you think are more valuable object oriented or English? Secretaries can be hired for $8-10 an hour with excellent English skills and will starve for the rest of their lives. So you go girl!!!

Attrition = a reduction or decrease in numbers, size, or strength. Strength would be the attrition I was talking about. YES I used the word correctly and comprehend it completely. Strength = the quality or state of being strong, in particular. I am inliterate but my comphension is fine.

My opinion only has to convince patients not you. Have I mentioned that reality is merely an illusion latley?

Why should I as a patient have to wait for you guys to come up to speed at Cali prices and second hand weed. As one of those guys that is bringing it in from Cali said "we are getting the second hand buds and throw aways. The exact same stuff on when you look at all the outdoor then go to a dispensary and see the same strains and bud. PLEASE!!! I meet him on CL and he also donates to a dispensary imagine that hmmmm. WHich is why I tell people to go to CL it is a good protion of the same weed on the dispensary shelves. Why pay retail when you can get it for whole sale prices.

I must give credit where credit is due....Downtown Meds so far seem the best over all. However Nature meds is coming up quick I can actually say two of there buds were WOW!! Who ever grew High Society rocks!!! Guess that is because of the dirt not hydro.

My machine is completly refurbished which will make the calibration easy. Now if it is calibrated correctly the preparation process is rather straight forward. Then all I have to do is let the analytical software do its thing. DID I SAY THAT THE CALIBRATION IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS.

As a dispensary owner or a patient when looking at a report the first thing you need to do is verify it was calibrated correctly. Ask for the calibration sheet and check the time and date of the calibration. Ask how many samples have they ran through before recalibrating. If it is not calibrated to the carrier gas the results will be off and the test useless. That is why ISO has these rules in place unless you work at a lab where protocol and procedure does not matter. So if your a patient be an informed consumer and ask for the results as well as the calibration.

I spoke with Kenneth; I think that was his name at the dispensary side of AZDHS. He says that there are a lot of complaints about quality and measurments. Measurments mostly on the pre rolled side. He also said that there is not a method in place for testing or verifying the testors. To me that right there is a chink in the armor of the whole system. Lets think about this for a second...

In the blogs on AZDHS they try to convince us directly or indirectly how it has no medicinal value. Then they take our money. Finally then they expect us to use a medicine with out any testing standards only that it is tested. How do I know that any of these labs know any more than I do? WE DON'T as there is no set standard for the testing facilities!!! That is not true for Pharmacueticals and after all one must compare apples to apples when applying the law or other regulatory measures.

So the health department is now telling me the medicine is safe because of testing that not even the dispensaries trust. Seems like a direct violation of job duties and not in the health safety and welfare of the people. If one person gets sick from mold or pesticides the whole system will crash.

The bad news is the machine has a TDC detector not an FID so I have to try and find one. I should have know when I saw the NO2 marking on one of the tubes. No worries the TDC will help with some moisture studies I also want to do.
 

Glaucoma

Well-Known Member
You really are a complete ass.

Seriously? Yeah, knowing how to use English in a way that people can understand means you'll top out at 10 bucks an hour. Uh huh. That's why some people get 20-100 grand for an hour of talking on the speech circuits.. but, whatever. Every successful rich person I meet can hardly form a coherent sentence. Yep. That's why everyone takes them seriously.

Way to completely dodge EVERYTHING I said. It's quite telling.

And no, you've never met me. The only thing you've smoked out was a crack pipe.

As for the rest of your inane ramblings, I didn't ask.. but I realize that you needed to fill up space since you refuse to actually reply to what I've said. That or you didn't understand a word of it. Personally, I think it's a little bit of both.

Hey, why don't you tell us some more about these STANDARDS? Isn't there an international one? I heard that everyone in a lab just throws them out the window. Isn't one of them having a 6th grade reading and writing level? Ut oh.. better get back to school if you wanna be in compliance!

You seem to do nothing but drag down anything you associate yourself with, so yeah, this should really help out the community.

Whatever, I'm done with you.
If people want you testing their meds, by all means..

THIS IS YOUR LAB TECH, PEOPLE! BE PROUD!
 

personified

Active Member
Some folks will never grow up and leave the playground they will all ways think that peer pressure actually works on everyone. So we are clear.....my community is NOT the MJ community it is Az and in particular Tucson. Not the out of state invasion!!

The movement is corporatism climbing on the backs of real patients to achieve a monopoly. IF it was a true community there would not be bunk weed being sold at top dollar prices.

So....now that the Lucious BLOOMing children have left.

I do want to make a disclaimer about the Indians. They have made it clear that they do not want any illegal substance on the reservation and I respect that decision. When I mentioned the workers on the res I did not want to even imply I would over step the boundaries set forth by any of the nations. Any native I would get would be acting on their own accord.

Good news I think I may have all ready found one that wants to help his people and other nations with this epidemic called diabetes.
Diabetes is now spreading to our children across the the American nation because of poor eating skills and could be in your home right now. It is not only about the Indians although it is a good place to start.
 

personified

Active Member
Once again as a patient when you ask to see the results of the lab tests ask for the calibration of the machine. Before you look at the test results of any lab reputable or not this is the zero point for the analytical software. The machine has to know what is zero compared to the parts per million it is measuring regardless of the substance.

Unlike others when I say something I will post supporting evidence. Here is an excerpt and further information about calibration http://www.aga.com/international/web/lg/aga/like35agacom.nsf/repositorybyalias/ds_hiq_flame_ion_uk/$file/AGA%20HIQ%20Flame%20Ionization%20Detector%20Datasheet%20UK.pdf


An important facet of the GC-FID is the use of a carrier gas to transfer the sample from the injector, through the column and into the FID-detector. The carrier gas must be inert and may not be adsorbed by the column material. Helium or nitrogen are normally used as carrier gas with GC-FID, and sometimes hydrogen.



The detector gases, hydrogen and synthetic air, serve respectively as fuel gas and oxidizing gas during the combustion process. Since hydrocarbon impurities, moisture and oxygen produce a greater baseline noise

which has an adverse effect on the detection limit, these impurities in the detector gases should be kept as low as possible


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Like all chromatographic analytical processes, gas chromatography is a relative method, i.e. calibration with a standard mixture is required, both to check linearity and as calibration for the sample


Be an informed consumer and ask to see the lab results and the calibration results so that you know that the information you are receiving is accurate.
 

GODSIZE

New Member
What you fail to realize is thc, cbd, cbn, ect. percentages are meaningless when it comes to safety. They don't tell you that the medicine is clean or safe and yet you seem to think they do. The numbers that you or anyone else is currently producing are only good for marketing purposes. They may tell you one sample has more active compounds then another but that's it. No safety or cleanliness at all. Quit mixing it all together.
 
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