Brown spots on 19 day old seedlings. Problem??

blakjak

Member
- soil grow (plant magic supreme)
- sour diesel auto's
- 1 100w vipar led about 8 inches from plant
- 2 gallon pots
- humidity 50%avg
- 13c (55f) - 27c (80F)
- light schedule 18/6
- using normal tap water, not fed them yet.

I have other autos in the grow room as well which include blue cheese and fast and vast, none of which are showing any signs of brown spots or stunted growth.

Of the 3 sour deisels one is showing stunted growth and brown spots and the other two are not stunted but are showing much milder brown spots. I will upload pics soon. Any advice greatly appreciated.
 

boombats

Member
hold a leaf up to the light is you can see the brown spots having a yellowish ring around the brown spot thats an active fungus known as rust or leaf spot
 

mike4c4

Well-Known Member
- soil grow (plant magic supreme)
- sour diesel auto's
- 1 100w vipar led about 8 inches from plant
- 2 gallon pots
- humidity 50%avg
- 13c (55f) - 27c (80F)
- light schedule 18/6
- using normal tap water, not fed them yet.

I have other autos in the grow room as well which include blue cheese and fast and vast, none of which are showing any signs of brown spots or stunted growth.

Of the 3 sour deisels one is showing stunted growth and brown spots and the other two are not stunted but are showing much milder brown spots. I will upload pics soon. Any advice greatly appreciated.
we need a pic.to help
 

blakjak

Member
They do have a yellowish ring around them judging by the picture but I'll do what you said and update after then.
 

blakjak

Member
I held it up to the light boombats but tbh the pic I posted gives a fairly clear picture. To me there does seem to be a very faint yellow circle around the spots but I think that can be expected in any areas surrounding damage.

If it is leaf spot what are likely the causes ? Also because it is affecting only the 3 sour Israel's it not safe to rule out a fungus ?
 

Flagg420

Well-Known Member
mebbe the strain is just super nute sensitive n its burnin? I got nuthin for that kinda ill @ such an early age :( Especially with healthy plants right nearby
 

blakjak

Member
Bad times. I just see a little white spec on one of the leaves then I realised it was crawling around.
 

blakjak

Member
I don't think the little critter is related to the brown spots tho, but I'm starting to regret not cleaning my grow room properly after the last grow.

In other news the brown spots are spreading to the other strains and have started to appear on two blue cheese plants. It's looking likely that it's this fungal rust business which I'm really not likening the idea of.
 

blakjak

Member
Importantly the plants next to the infected are now showing brown spots.

Think I'm gonna go ahead and buy some systemic copper based fungicide and spray the plants with the brown spots. I think I will also cut of the spots of most of the plants that are not too badly affected and leave the one that's the worst alone.

I will get a normal fungicide for the plants that are ok and I will also give the grow room a thorough cleaning. Any heads up on what products I should buy (I'm in uk).

Am I just tripping or is this likely rust spot fungus ? As I have not fed them since they sprouted I guess it could be a deficiency but it just don't look like it to me , also they are in plant magic supreme soil and its only been two and half weeks. I think it's a safe bet to spray the good plants with a fungicide atm. Anyway help much needed
 

boombats

Member
spray every 10-14 days with immunox .... I bleached every single part of my rooms and nothing gets rid of the spores when they in your space ... only control however... this disease does not have a huge affect on yield if its not completly out of control ... its one of the main reasons i began defoliating and getting better harvests since the leaves were dying off so rapid... i began pulling most leaves off the others and saw a blessing in disguise actually.not the disease.... but the method of defoliation became a custom
 

blakjak

Member
Yeah cool man that's a nice bonus to a bad ass fungus problem lol. Well I panicked and went out and got the only thing the guy in the hydro store had which was neem repel oil. Done a bit of reading and it seems half decent, price was definitely premium. Dunno if you know anything about that stuff?

I started spraying them daily with a 1/4 dose and so far I can't see any more spread of the rust spots on any new plants. Just wondering if its worth throwing out the real infected seedling. It hasn't grown for the last week and the brown spots have spread all over the leaves. Again il post a picture.
 

fearnoevil

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Just thought I'd share my experience with this evil fungus:cuss:
IMO it's difficult to find good information out there, because every time you start a post like this, every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to chime in with (uniformed) OP's trying to tell you it's nute burn, nutrient dificiency, heat stress, blah blah blah, ad nauseaum.

So I'll just add that I went through a battle with this shite recently, it started attacking my seedling within their 2nd week and within about 8-9 days I had to pull em ALL, 30 high-grade beans down the shitter.
Btw, I tried anti-fungal copper and it actually seemed to INCREASE the growth, didn't work at all, but then the bottles been in my arsenal for over 2 years so it's possible that had something to do with it.

Anyway, did a shit load of research, what I could find, and I decided to pick up a product called Aqua Quest Seranade RTU which is an organic anti-fungal product whose main ingredient is Bacillus Subtilis before starting my next grow. I sterilized my grow room to the best of my abilities but knowing the resilience of the fungal spores I decided to start the seedlings in my bedroom closet upstairs, as far away from the disease vector as possible.

Things went without a hitch up until about the 3rd week after germination. I had just transplanted them into their 2nd stage containers (6" pots) which also increased the amount of water/feed dramatically. Up until then the humidity in the closet had been fairly low (due to the start of winter things were pretty dry), around 35%. But now it went up to the 50% range, and after a heavy feeding the next evening, it shot up to 60% (btw I'm using hempy mix 40% perlite/60% coir).

The next day they showed the familiar signs of the fungal infection, with all but 5 or 6 out of 24 plants showing some spots and brownish crispy tips and edges. It was that sudden change in humidity that triggered it I'm certain. So I meticulously bathed EVERY leaf with the Seranade, (btw this stuff STINKS, lol) and I also tripled the normal dose of HG Subculture-B and Subculture-M (which are innoculants containing beneficial bacteria and mycorrhizal fungi) in the next feeding - my research showed that soil innoculation can help plants develope resistence via several methods, but basicatlly a healthier plant is able to fight off infections and you really can't OD the plants with these additives. I also trimmed away, and have continued to trim away, any of the understory necessary to allow good air circulation and keep a fan blowing down there to avoid any pockets of high humidity.

I also immediately purchased a good dehumidifer with a digital humidity controll and set it at 35%, and I also cut off as much of the infected leaves as possible. Some of these plants were quite small and had only a few leaves, so in some cases I just cut off the infected part so they'd have SOME means of photosynthesis. Two didn't make it past the initial infection, they looked so weak with all the leaves badly damaged that I just yanked them to avoid wasting space.

The results? WORKED LIKE A CHARM!!! Now not to say that they didnt' suffer, which they did, and I had to do another thorough application with Serenade 3 days later and a general spray 5 days later just to be safe, but over those next 10 days they all recovered .

It's been 5 weeks since the infection, about 3 weeks into flower now, and they are in amazing shape, I can honestly say I've not see my plants look this healthy before. A couple of times the humidity has accidentally crept above 50% due to the 2 gal bucket filling up and shutting of the humidifier while I was away, and each time I almost immediately saw the beginning signs of the fungus returning, almost always starting with leaves near the bottom, closest to the medium and so humidity - now I make SURE that the humidifier's reservoir is emptied before I leave the house.

BOTTOM LINE: IMO KEEP YOUR HUMIDITY LOW TO AVOID PROBLEMS IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND SECOND DEFINITELY ADD SERENADE TO YOUR ARSENAL IF YOU HAVE ANY SUCH LEAF SPOT OR RUST FUNGUS PROBLEMS, AND ALSO BE SURE TO ADD GH SUB-B AND SUB-M OR SIMILAR PRODUCTS TO KEEP YOUR BABIES HEALTHY!

P.S. Make sure you feed your bennies with plenty of carbs, I use backstrap molassas with every feeding so that they thrive :weed: and keep fighting for you and your girls ;?D
 
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