brown powder and very weak new growth!!

Why are the buds growing all weird?! Their is something more wrong with that plant than just bugs hopefully someone knows why it looks like that i'm curious

looks like its very humid and heat stress, those leaves look like they could turn to dust

SNS 209 is systemic and needs be used in the plants feedings from early veg on into mid flower. It isn't something that is going to actively kill and control insect populations that already exist. YOU need something with neem oil, pyrethrin, or spinosad in it. My product of choice is Azamax, but there are certainly cheaper alternatives. The sticky pads help, but they aren't going to solve the issue. You will be in a constant war with these fuckers for the entire time you grow in this location more than likely, so get on a weekly schedule of spraying all your plants down until they show buds. I like to add Dyna-Gro's Protekt and some yucca or aloe extract to act as a surfacant as well as other beneficial properties. A dab of organic NON anti-bacterial dish soap works pretty well for that as well. Theres other things you can add to your foliar for other minute beneficial effects, but the insecticide you use is the most important. I like to rotate Azamax with Spinosad to try and prevent any sort of immunity build up, but I wouldn't say that is required.

Your plants look like they have been suffering from the infestation. I'm not sure what else may be wrong with them, but I can assure you that going to all out war with these bastards is the best first step.

Southerner said:

Your plants look like they have been suffering from the infestation.

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The infestation of what, exactly? Determining exactly what it is infested with is the first step, before tossing treatments at it.

(personally looks like it could be spider mites)

AimAim said:

The infestation of what, exactly? Determining exactly what it is infested with is the first step, before tossing treatments at it.

(personally looks like it could be spider mites)

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not spider mites for sure...i've had them and it's not them.

kermit2692 said:

Why are the buds growing all weird?! Their is something more wrong with that plant than just bugs hopefully someone knows why it looks like that i'm curious

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why did you assume these were in flower? it's just the new growth super curled up and covered in the powder shit...

Southerner said:

SNS 209 is systemic and needs be used in the plants feedings from early veg on into mid flower. It isn't something that is going to actively kill and control insect populations that already exist. YOU need something with neem oil, pyrethrin, or spinosad in it. My product of choice is Azamax, but there are certainly cheaper alternatives. The sticky pads help, but they aren't going to solve the issue. You will be in a constant war with these fuckers for the entire time you grow in this location more than likely, so get on a weekly schedule of spraying all your plants down until they show buds. I like to add Dyna-Gro's Protekt and some yucca or aloe extract to act as a surfacant as well as other beneficial properties. A dab of organic NON anti-bacterial dish soap works pretty well for that as well. Theres other things you can add to your foliar for other minute beneficial effects, but the insecticide you use is the most important. I like to rotate Azamax with Spinosad to try and prevent any sort of immunity build up, but I wouldn't say that is required.

Your plants look like they have been suffering from the infestation. I'm not sure what else may be wrong with them, but I can assure you that going to all out war with these bastards is the best first step.

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Thanks man! ya i need something that will work NOW and get rid of this shit...
I have since raised the lights. They were under a 4x4ft T5...really close to it, now a foot away just to relieve any possibly heat stress.
I used Organicide against my very first pests ever, spider mites, and I eventually had to quarentine and spray down the entire room. but have been mite free since. I brought the mites home from the green house on a pineapple sage plant, put the sage next to one of my pot plants to take a picture and BAM herpes.....

I've had boxelder bugs try to move in once but only because it's warm in the room, my plants never seemed to mind them sun bathing but still had to get rid of them so they didn't multiply like crazy.

Now only my second realy threat and it seems to be taking over mainly my Lost CoastOG and Blueberry(of some sort)
The Trainwreck seems more resistent to this brown powder and some plants dont really have any at all. I have a feeling it likes heat cause my LED grown plants are completely free of it.
I'm going to try and drop the humidity/temp and quarentine plants that are volnerable. It only hit my aerocloned plants once i rooted them into soil, everything that's still in the cloner is free of it.

I've googled and searched all over for BROWN POWDER or TAN POWDER and i really don't get any good results.

Wish me luck

650baquet said:

why did you assume these were in flower? it's just the new growth super curled up and covered in the powder shit...

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Because you said you threw one in flower before this got bad and it looks great then I opened the Pic and zoomed in and it was all sparkly and odd looking with long things that resembled calyxes so I guess I got confused..plus I didn't realize what you were putting on them was powder so over all the picture just looked reaaally weird to me..makes more sense now

Boxelders come to all my grows and they are great!!! Not pests at all they only eat dead foliage and they are taking up realty space from the detrimental bugs, id leave them..and spiders also

That isn't bugs or mold. Notice the curling leaves. You have a soil or whatever issue. More full plant pictures appreciated.

AimAim said:

The infestation of what, exactly? Determining exactly what it is infested with is the first step, before tossing treatments at it.

(personally looks like it could be spider mites)

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I'd say there a very few selective insecticides treatments, especially organic. The insecticides I mentioned are broad in their uses.

Jimdamick said:

That isn't bugs or mold. Notice the curling leaves. You have a soil or whatever issue. More full plant pictures appreciated.

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Yeah I noticed that, but the little spots all over the leaves are what makes me think insects. I've never seen a deficiency or pH problem cause those.

It looks like heat stress, I would re-check temps where the leaves are curling like that. Don't know what the powdery stuff is though, if it's not too hot it may have something to do with it.

it's a male or a hermie i see sacks of balls, are you trolling by any chance?

kermit2692 said:

Boxelders come to all my grows and they are great!!! Not pests at all they only eat dead foliage and they are taking up realty space from the detrimental bugs, id leave them..and spiders also

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I get lots of hobo spiders...and rollie pollies haha

ghb said:

it's a male or a hermie i see sacks of balls, are you trolling by any chance?

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Trolling?
Hermie in veg?
Its on my fresh rooted clones too.
I've further looked at leaves and found thrip nymph stage and once I find my scope I should be able to tell if a lot of that brown shit is possibly eggs. Just haven't found my scope damn it

Southerner said:

I'd say there a very few selective insecticides treatments, especially organic. The insecticides I mentioned are broad in their uses.



Yeah I noticed that, but the little spots all over the leaves are what makes me think insects. I've never seen a deficiency or pH problem cause those.

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Not pH for sure. Thanks for your input man. I'm just gonna get something to directly treat these bitches. I had success with organicide fighting mites but can't remember if its effective against these guys.

Grabbed some captain jacks dead bug. And a scope...one quick look in the scope and I could see all of the brown power squirming around, it is indeed a thrip infestation and they r laying eggs on the new grow so nymphs have good nutrition I'm guessing....see if some spinosad gets rid of them.

I feel dumb for waiting so long to buy a new scope. But at least I was leaning towards thips the whole time and have already started preventative measures so the CapJack should work easier.

After the CapJack hopefully kills everything I plan onwashing leafs off good.
Thanks again everyone for the suggestions.

Just checked plants approx 5 hrs after spraying and I don't see any more movement on the few highly infested leafs I checked. Sprayed with plain water. Gonna spray CapJack in 4 more days as suggested. Then prolly a week after that again n hope for the best.

I know it took about 2-3 weeks to rid mites. Including time to kill the eggs that didn't die from the first spray with organicide.

If I can possibly get my camera to take a pic through the microscope I'll post a picture!

ghb said:

it's a male or a hermie i see sacks of balls, are you trolling by any chance?

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I felt it to lol...seemed weird, new user but I think in this case it just looked odd lol

The Rollie polies are ok because they prefer decaying leaf like the boxelder but they will also eat small bugs, the problem is if their is no dying foliage (which their usually is) and no bugs they will eat healthy vegetation