breeding with bag seeds

jact55

jact55

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as far as security i am not worried. this last pack i had to pick up at the post office. nothing can happen if your seeds are confiscated, you will just get a letter in the mail saying that there was something illegal being shipped to your address.

i just hate that the quality of seeds is junk sometimes. i have had a couple seeds that are black, not normal looking. and of course, they didnt germ. i have had a freebie, but a seed none the less, crushed, but all of the seeds around it were fine. it would take very acute pressure to crush one seed in a pack and no others. i am guessing that it was shipped that way. my second to last batch of seeds had a 50 percent germ rate. i had a seed from greenhouse that was one of those color coded mixed pack that was not even a seed, just a ball of the coating. these seeds are fucking expensive and should be quality, but alot of times they are not. i am so excited to have my own seeds after my current grow.

also though, i really want some subcool seeds, dj short seeds and some other higher end seeds. so i will probably buy again. but overall i feel it is a waste of money if you can just get bagseed.
 
samstevens1

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waste of time but bagseed won't get you haze,kush, burmese......the list is endless. I've begun pushing my own because I'm at an age where going to your connect is too much to lose. Say I'm driving back insurance straight, no head/tailight issues but a cop still pulls me over and bam life gone.....just like that. If you have bagseed push it. I personally have smoked through so many 1/2 ounces that I have too many seeds to complain( its ridiculous i could open a seedbank) but they have been mostly what my market has to offer which is mid-highgrade bigbud/black. Good smoke but everytime I get my pack I buy a 20 of haze and the smoke in comparrison of the haze blows the bigbud/black away, not even close if you have good haze(not some hybrid that your connect is trying to push on you) you know why you buy it so I understand why people want to grow it. I believe a grower should have three strains to smoke Haze, Kush ,and skunk. Whatever name prefixes the type of bud is meaningless to me just a form of each should be available to smoke. While I'm pushing the hell out of this grow now I would jump at the chance to push one of the three previously mentioned strains. I've thought about buying an ounce of each and getting the seeds that way but too expensive and the connect will probably remove the seeds before supplying the middleman with the work anyway. So when I'm fortunate to have a place to send some seeds I'll order them but to think that bagseed is in the league of haze etc is mistaken. You'll get high off the bagseed but I think everyone knows the deal about the great weed can't fight facts. Keep getting bye and getting high its ruff out there
 
samstevens1

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Satorihaze said:
the 1st time i grew i had a hermi it was actually the best plant out of the bunch and it probably hermied because i left the door open one night and it was the plant cloest to the doorway where to lights were getting through i wanted to kill myself when i say those pollen sacks...im useing guano and unsulphuered molases and worm castings and sea kelp extract to feed them. i just got some chicks too and i'll probably start using there poo for a soil amendment along with the worm castings. everything ive bought is OMRI listed and the stuff i dont buy is being pushed through a creatures anus...i never heard of azomite is it expensive?
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Its so cheap its unfair. I didn't buy mine a fellow grower gave me 10 pounds of it . has done wonders for my girls. I'll ask my friend what website she got it from and I'll post the link. Grow organic. Till later keep getting bye and getting high its ruff out there.
 
valjean

valjean

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while it's true you usually don't get long flowering sativa's in bagseed, it really depends on where it comes from cause the people growing are gonna use what suits their area best, i have grown out mexi-brick into huge sativa's that flowered for like 14 weeks and were like steel wool, smelled exactly like a guava too i was really happy it totally caught me by surprise. because mostly indicas come outta bagseed where im at but just try lots of different mids and remember people have been selectively breeding weed, for literally 5000 years, there are carbon dated leaf prints from india. typically the quality of the mids in my experience is no indication of the quality of genetics, you can get a good idea of the indica/sativa ratio if it is mature buds.
 
jact55

jact55

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samstevens1 said:
waste of time but bagseed won't get you haze,kush, burmese......the list is endless. I've begun pushing my own because I'm at an age where going to your connect is too much to lose. Say I'm driving back insurance straight, no head/tailight issues but a cop still pulls me over and bam life gone.....just like that. If you have bagseed push it. I personally have smoked through so many 1/2 ounces that I have too many seeds to complain( its ridiculous i could open a seedbank) but they have been mostly what my market has to offer which is mid-highgrade bigbud/black. Good smoke but everytime I get my pack I buy a 20 of haze and the smoke in comparrison of the haze blows the bigbud/black away, not even close if you have good haze(not some hybrid that your connect is trying to push on you) you know why you buy it so I understand why people want to grow it. I believe a grower should have three strains to smoke Haze, Kush ,and skunk. Whatever name prefixes the type of bud is meaningless to me just a form of each should be available to smoke. While I'm pushing the hell out of this grow now I would jump at the chance to push one of the three previously mentioned strains. I've thought about buying an ounce of each and getting the seeds that way but too expensive and the connect will probably remove the seeds before supplying the middleman with the work anyway. So when I'm fortunate to have a place to send some seeds I'll order them but to think that bagseed is in the league of haze etc is mistaken. You'll get high off the bagseed but I think everyone knows the deal about the great weed can't fight facts. Keep getting bye and getting high its ruff out there
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very true, about the selection issue and that is why i buy seeds, besides the fact that i cant find bagseeds alot of time, i like selection. the last two grows i have been doing 5-7 strains per grow to check out some different genetics. i just wish the seeds were always good quality. also i agree that bagseed is usually indica, so a good sativa is hard to come by.
 
samstevens1

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valjean said:
while it's true you usually don't get long flowering sativa's in bagseed, it really depends on where it comes from cause the people growing are gonna use what suits their area best, i have grown out mexi-brick into huge sativa's that flowered for like 14 weeks and were like steel wool, smelled exactly like a guava too i was really happy it totally caught me by surprise. because mostly indicas come outta bagseed where im at but just try lots of different mids and remember people have been selectively breeding weed, for literally 5000 years, there are carbon dated leaf prints from india. typically the quality of the mids in my experience is no indication of the quality of genetics, you can get a good idea of the indica/sativa ratio if it is mature buds.
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Very good point about the genetics. In my grow now I currently have 3 definite indica females and 1 that looks like a hybrid sativa female. It's amazing in the difference in characteristics. I'm hopefull that this will be an amazing plant but only time will tell. To the greater issue I have Hundreds of seeds my situation is not the regular newbie grower situation. I understand people breed, grow bagseed and I am as well so I understand the pride in standing behind your babies but as I said buy the haze(i.e. the highgrade strains) from a connect and a respectable quality reg and you will know the difference. Now apply the knowledge of you being able to grow good bud out of bagseed to growing haze if your good your results with the haze should reflect that. For the record I am a bagseed grower and proud but my ego's cool with knowing I could if given the circumstances grow better weed
 
samstevens1

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Oh yeah sorry almost forgot here is the website for the azomite. Look I know I talk about it often but it is good for your garden period don't believe me do a lil reading on it. I was put on buy a person who loves helping people and I feel its just right to pay it foward in a sense. Now lol I DON'T WORK FOR THESE GUYS SO BUY IT FROM WHERE YOU WANT TO
http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/azomite.htm?gclid=CNqg8MHO0J0CFeFM5QodwVaMrQ

Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there peace
 
valjean

valjean

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you definitely have much better odds of getting top of the line strains from breeders, i think it's all around worth the cash in most cases and i don't grow bagseed anymore cause this town doesn't really have mids. i use clones. but remember the deisel/chemdog line were originally bagseed, he just hit the bagseed jackpot. and it's so fun to grow surprise weed. speaking of which i actually found a teeny little weed plant today in a park, it was really funny, i had to walk by a couple times just to check myself but i couldn't stop cause it was kinda busy.
 
Satorihaze

Satorihaze

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where im at the quality is pretty mixed up everything from hay tasting lawn clipping looking shit that grows on peoples farms probably wild to the sweetest smelling hydro and im my opinion most of it is sativa usaly an uppidty high the plants the seeds, from any quality bag(besides the lawn clippings) grow are tall and have narrow leaflets.

samstevens1 said:
Oh yeah sorry almost forgot here is the website for the azomite. Look I know I talk about it often but it is good for your garden period don't believe me do a lil reading on it. I was put on buy a person who loves helping people and I feel its just right to pay it foward in a sense. Now lol I DON'T WORK FOR THESE GUYS SO BUY IT FROM WHERE YOU WANT TO
http://www.wheatgrasskits.com/azomite.htm?gclid=CNqg8MHO0J0CFeFM5QodwVaMrQ

Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there peace
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i might try that out
 
sunahura

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Satorihaze said:
Im getting started on my 4th grow. Every grow ive done has been from bag seeds and for the most part i get good results usually less than desirable but good.

so i decide after a few months of research that im going to start a breeding program with bag seeds i have. Figure my first step is identifying what if any good qualities these seeds possess.

Now this is where im confused. would the best way to do this be to backcross to get closer to the original strain(s) or to inbreed the good traits in the generation im planting.how would i backcross without any parent generations?maybe with a Hermaphrodite?
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I read through this thread and the lack of knowledge is frustrating, anyway, make sure to take high quality pictures of your buds when they are mature, You will be able to find similar genetics on the web and sort of pin point the species group. This will also give u an idea of what is really happening with the genotype of the brothers and sisters. Once you start finding the ones u like, which are usually
the highest yielders and healthier ones. The key is keeping good records and paying attention to every detail of the plant. Take good notes. Very good notes, taste, aroma, buzz effect, color etc. Inbreeding is the best way to get a strain to become stable, It will take u at least ten generations, and along the way you still identify several different phenos, so u will still have fun. Dont let people kill the Darwin inside.
From Bagseed I have identified haze families, kush, afhgan, Jamaican strains, purple strains, pink and red strains, 15 foot WTF strains, skank weed, minty weeds and fruity sweet strains, I breed towards the sweet fruity strains- my preference.
 
valjean

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i have never seen skanky weed come out but most of the others, even some purple that smelled just like a guava. which is pretty much the best smell ever in case you've never had a guava.
 
samstevens1

samstevens1

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sunahura said:
I read through this thread and the lack of knowledge is frustrating, anyway, make sure to take high quality pictures of your buds when they are mature, You will be able to find similar genetics on the web and sort of pin point the species group. This will also give u an idea of what is really happening with the genotype of the brothers and sisters. Once you start finding the ones u like, which are usually
the highest yielders and healthier ones. The key is keeping good records and paying attention to every detail of the plant. Take good notes. Very good notes, taste, aroma, buzz effect, color etc. Inbreeding is the best way to get a strain to become stable, It will take u at least ten generations, and along the way you still identify several different phenos, so u will still have fun. Dont let people kill the Darwin inside.
From Bagseed I have identified haze families, kush, afhgan, Jamaican strains, purple strains, pink and red strains, 15 foot WTF strains, skank weed, minty weeds and fruity sweet strains, I breed towards the sweet fruity strains- my preference.
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I to look foward to finding all of those strains you've eluded to in your post but maybe our situation is different than others . I don't know the amount of seeds you own but if you're proposing tenth generational observation my guess is that you have a considerable amount. Now creating your own strain/ breeding is a much different goal than purely producing bud to smoke. If a grower were developing into a breeder than yes patience, dillagence, and everything that comes with the process and peace be with you, but if one were just after making some bud and the bagseed they pushed didn't produce favorable results then why continue an uncertain path if aquiring seeds is within your capabilities. Now the seed aquisition process maybe trying or easy based on where you order from, where they are being sent and your ability to grow weed. For example my first grow I had so many germination issues, while in my second grow heat was the murderer of my seedlings, now imagine all of those attempts were seedbank bought seeds.....my perception of buying seeds would be negative and bagseed because of its inexpensive desirability would be what I promote. I am a bagseed grower but there are too many indivdual grower based miscues that probably were confused for bad seeds. That is not in every case but my own experience makes me a believer that it might be. So everything must be considered when buying seeds and growing them. If you aren't an experienced grower yet bagseed is your canvas, save the picassos' for guys who understand what they're doing. Keep getting high and getting bye its ruff out there:bigjoint:
 
DankShasta

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It takes too long to get stability when you cross shit, especially some bagseed. You are gonna end up with 5 different phenotypes, lol! and it will be that way for a few generations. I mean if you had some super shit, and had the time, and the money to grow a bunch of weed without yield, you could do it I suppose. But I got a feeling you are growing to get some weed, not be the next DJ Short.
 
samstevens1

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DankShasta said:
It takes too long to get stability when you cross shit, especially some bagseed. You are gonna end up with 5 different phenotypes, lol! and it will be that way for a few generations. I mean if you had some super shit, and had the time, and the money to grow a bunch of weed without yield, you could do it I suppose. But I got a feeling you are growing to get some weed, not be the next DJ Short.
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lets not shoot down any dreams now. Dj short is amazing but before I die if I continue getting better I'd like to grow equally good product. I don't have the space to but smaller controlled breeding will get you a strain within 2 years I believe. I have a female now which seems like a sativa(I never had one prior to this grow) i would love to continue her genetics. It all begins with one mother.
 
tobinates559

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valjean said:
it is arrogant to think that one of the first plants to be domesticated has been made much stronger in the past 20 years, strong strains have existed for centuries,however the knowledge required to grow them to their full potential is only recently being developed in the west. how many separate grow spaces do you have? ideally you want to pick out two or three females you really like, and breed them to a male with the qualities already described in a previous post. compare the offspring, you want a large selection of offspring from each mother, whichever group has the highest percentage of femal plants that closely resemble the mother will indicate which mother has the most dominant genetics, ie ones that will be easy for you to stabilize. now out of this group you select the best female and male, the male should also have qualities like the original mother as far as smell color and whatever you want. they make babies. out of these babies you find your ideal male and breed it back to that first mom that passed the dominance test, there babies are bred to the original father. these seeds are f4s, pretty stable. two more generations of best male offspring to female offspring and you will get very uniform clone like plants and if bred with another stabilized line you have a proper f1 with all the lovely benefits of hybrid vigour and the process continues forever...
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it is arrogant to think that modern marijuana ISNT much stronger than it was 20 years ago, theres probably 10000x more strains now then there were at that time, i dont think nature would have created strains with 30% + total canabanoids all on its own
 
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