Boycott Alert: Sunlight Supply, Sun System lighting
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I would be on board, except that Sunlight Supply makes the best reflectors.
Gonna get at least a couple more Magnum XXXLs within the next few months, so although I think it's a shitty move on the CEOs part to "narc" out that guy, I'm not gonna "penalize" myself and buy inferior reflectors.
Also, there's no reason for Advanced to flaunt their shit like they do - everyone knows what "hydroponic nutrients" are used for, but the other companies have the common sense to pretend that they're for vegetables.
It's akin to an asian massage parlor advertising "We give the best blow jobs" - possibly true, but that flaunting of the law won't serve them very well when dealing with US authorities.
Gonna get at least a couple more Magnum XXXLs within the next few months, so although I think it's a shitty move on the CEOs part to "narc" out that guy, I'm not gonna "penalize" myself and buy inferior reflectors.
Also, there's no reason for Advanced to flaunt their shit like they do - everyone knows what "hydroponic nutrients" are used for, but the other companies have the common sense to pretend that they're for vegetables.
It's akin to an asian massage parlor advertising "We give the best blow jobs" - possibly true, but that flaunting of the law won't serve them very well when dealing with US authorities.
cowboylogic
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You bet. Fox Farms is the shit.
OK so the big boiz are tryin' to drag me into they're war. I really do hate everything about MicroSoft. They can't beat you, then they'll bad mouth you or just plain buy you out. Them cowbois at sun do make a good product, but like everyone else in the biz,,it'll cost you! maybe Advanced Nutes shoulda kept they're fucking mouths shut. Even with a Green Card... Legals should play a stealthy ngame.
KNS420
Member
you know before long this country (USA) will be ran by big corporations like wal mart and eventually our whole governmet will be controlled by wall street!!! Its ALL about the money and how much the next person will offer. Thats it. AND IT SUXXXX! They dont care about the little ppl out here who make them who they are! Like celebs and everyone else that is incorporated into a big corporation. ITS ALL CORRUPT!!!
hightyde27
Active Member
I can see why Sunlight Supply would take that course of action. Think about it. They're in the business of selling MJ grow hardware. If it goes fully legal here in the states their business will explode. And when you're trying to beg the fed, and any other form of American govt for that matter, to repeal a ban on something, especially an intoxicant, it doesn't help when some company in the same business goes flying the pointy green flag and rollin' blunts in their face.
Did SLS go about it the right way? Who knows. Maybe they called and asked real nice first, who cares. The end result is same, Stupidity. On the SLS's side and AN's side. The whole thing is ridiculous.
The two CEO's should go walk on the beach, smoke a joint, and hash it out like real stoners.
Did SLS go about it the right way? Who knows. Maybe they called and asked real nice first, who cares. The end result is same, Stupidity. On the SLS's side and AN's side. The whole thing is ridiculous.
The two CEO's should go walk on the beach, smoke a joint, and hash it out like real stoners.
terrorizer805
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Sunlight supply knows the majority of people buying their products use it to grow marijuana but they are playing their cards the safe way and turning a blind eye saying that it's not for marijuana or they don't condone it. AN on the other hand are flying flags with joints or whatever, yes it may be legal in canada but that won't help them here in america different laws. that's why sunlight supply is so delicate with them advertising their nutrients as marijuana specific. If I was sunlight supply I would do the same thing I will not risk my multi billion dollar biz on one nutrient company.
I support what sunlight supply is doing, Their not the bullies here just trying to keep the whole hydroponics business going strong without the dea interferring.
Until the day that marijuana is completly legal here in america then and only then will the nutrient companies colors really show.
I support what sunlight supply is doing, Their not the bullies here just trying to keep the whole hydroponics business going strong without the dea interferring.
Until the day that marijuana is completly legal here in america then and only then will the nutrient companies colors really show.
blahblahblah123
Active Member
Thats pretty funny.. i am now a lifelong sunlight hater 
Sad since I bet 90% of the people who have ever bought their lights are prolly growing weed..
Sad since I bet 90% of the people who have ever bought their lights are prolly growing weed..
Green Dave
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Im on board
Its not the fact that AN is bragging or if Sunlight is selling grow lights for marijuana
Its the point that a company will pull there product from there store if they sell someone elses. What a crock of shit
No company has the right to tell a store owner what they can sell or whos product they can sell
Why cant people just get along, sell what you want if you have a good product then you will make the sale , If your product is not selling
FIX IT OR IMPROVE IT
Dont go to the backdoor
Its not the fact that AN is bragging or if Sunlight is selling grow lights for marijuana
Its the point that a company will pull there product from there store if they sell someone elses. What a crock of shit
No company has the right to tell a store owner what they can sell or whos product they can sell
Why cant people just get along, sell what you want if you have a good product then you will make the sale , If your product is not selling
FIX IT OR IMPROVE IT
Dont go to the backdoor
hightyde27
Active Member
Has anyone checked the financial records of SLS to see if they bought a nutrient company? That's the perfect motivation for bullying stores into cutting AN to make room for a new acquisition. Just a thought...
Desert Rat
Member
The example Big Mike discussed had to do with a hydro shop that didn't diversify with their suppliers enough. The shop shutting down didn't have other wholesalers lined up and was reliant on only one company. SunLight has been a bit over the top with their ideology, but there is more to it.
Advanced has came to the conclusion that it is time to quit dicking around and acknowledge the giant gorrilla we call the cannabis industry. They treat all users, even recreational, as medicinal users. Really, does a $150 bribe to an unqualified doctor mean anything on the personal level? They hand out promo material with buds on it, and call their products plant specific.
Sunlight makes all shops sign a contract saying they will not sell to marijuana users, even if medical. The reason being that federal law still trumps, and knowingly selling growing supplies to an individual for marijuana is considered conspiracy to manufacture. In reality, you really have to piss off the wrong people to have them shut you down for selling to a med. patient. But it is possible and Sunlight has a few hundred people that depend on their business for their careers. On the legal end, there is grounds for conflict. I think CEOs should go fist to fist and quit talking shit.
Stand by your beliefs, and don't buy Advanced if you think they suck, or don't buy Sunlight if you think they also suck. There are so many alternatives on the market, and in fact many products are identical besides the packaging and logos. The big boys on the west are Sunlight Supply, Hydrofarm, Sunleaves, Humboldt Wholesale, Tradewinds, Rose City, Custom Automated Products. While I can't speak for the wholesalers themselves, smart ones want shops to sell Advanced. Advanced is high margin and do make some excellent products (and some below par ones too). The more Advanced a shop sells, the more they buy of other supplies too. There are options: pick up the blue box or the green box if you hate Sunlight and Hydrofarm that much.
Advanced has came to the conclusion that it is time to quit dicking around and acknowledge the giant gorrilla we call the cannabis industry. They treat all users, even recreational, as medicinal users. Really, does a $150 bribe to an unqualified doctor mean anything on the personal level? They hand out promo material with buds on it, and call their products plant specific.
Sunlight makes all shops sign a contract saying they will not sell to marijuana users, even if medical. The reason being that federal law still trumps, and knowingly selling growing supplies to an individual for marijuana is considered conspiracy to manufacture. In reality, you really have to piss off the wrong people to have them shut you down for selling to a med. patient. But it is possible and Sunlight has a few hundred people that depend on their business for their careers. On the legal end, there is grounds for conflict. I think CEOs should go fist to fist and quit talking shit.
Stand by your beliefs, and don't buy Advanced if you think they suck, or don't buy Sunlight if you think they also suck. There are so many alternatives on the market, and in fact many products are identical besides the packaging and logos. The big boys on the west are Sunlight Supply, Hydrofarm, Sunleaves, Humboldt Wholesale, Tradewinds, Rose City, Custom Automated Products. While I can't speak for the wholesalers themselves, smart ones want shops to sell Advanced. Advanced is high margin and do make some excellent products (and some below par ones too). The more Advanced a shop sells, the more they buy of other supplies too. There are options: pick up the blue box or the green box if you hate Sunlight and Hydrofarm that much.
captiankush
Well-Known Member
I respect AN for being true to their hustle. I think a MAJOR problem in cannabis is that so many of us live in the closet. We are so worried about how our parents, teachers, bosses, co workers, etc will judge us. AN flips that entire philosophy the middle finger. A guy like me respects that. I myself am open about my medicinal use. My parents know it, my kids, my friends.
I dont use AN because they are $$$.
Fundamentally, this is about SLS acting like they run the world. Who the hell are they to tell a shop what to sell??
And as for SLS...c'mon...they cant really believe people are spending BILLIONS of dollars on fracking strawberries & heirloom tomatoes...If they honestly do, I need to contact them about this bridge I can offer them a fantastic deal on...
CK
I dont use AN because they are $$$.
Fundamentally, this is about SLS acting like they run the world. Who the hell are they to tell a shop what to sell??
And as for SLS...c'mon...they cant really believe people are spending BILLIONS of dollars on fracking strawberries & heirloom tomatoes...If they honestly do, I need to contact them about this bridge I can offer them a fantastic deal on...
CK
smokingrubber
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I'm sure I would make them sign some kind of waiver too. AN has Canada to hide behind. US based businesses can't afford to follow in the footsteps of Tommy Chong. Even though they make a ton of $ off the cannabis industry, I understand that they can't afford to be labeled as a paraphernalia distributor. It's sad that the CEO purse fight has gone this far.
this story has been going around for a few months now.Friday I received an e-mail from the Inner Circle Growers Club. They send me tips about growing and developments in the hydroponic marketplace. The e-mail was about the CEO of Sunlight Supply. Craig Hargreaves is his name. If you are not aware Sunlight Supply and their wholesale distribution company National Garden Wholesale sell hydro equipment and lights to hydro stores. Which of course they in turn offer to the public. So it is obvious that without a wholesale distributor the hydro store would not be able to offer the products that they do.
Now to the real story. It turns out that the CEO of Sunlight Supply made some phone calls to some of the hydro stores that they deal with in Washington state
urging them to boycott Advanced Nutrients products. If the store owner choses not to comply he would risk losing his account with National Garden Wholesale. They are also requiring store owners have their customers sign a waiver stating that they will not use the product for illegal purposes. The motivation behind the boycott of Advanced Nutrients is the fact that they come right out and say that the nutrients they make are specifically designed for growing Cannabis. The good ol' boys club as they are now known as (Sunlight Supply & Hydrofarm) saw to it that Advanced was prohibited from participating in an indoor gardening expo that took place in San Francisco. Truth is there is not any hydro equipment manufacturer or nutrient company that has done more for the medical cannabis community than Advaced Nutrients. Donating equipment, nutrients and their own personal expertise in setting up medical gardens for indigent Canadian cannabis patients. They have a special permit with the Bulgarian gov't allowing them to grow Cannabis for R&D of their products. No other nutrient company does this for us, only Advanced Nutrients. All Sunlight supply has done is take our money, and now they are trying to dictate what products hydro store owners can offer. Sunlight supply does not want you to know how effective Advanced Nutrients products are because they know you will never buy their tomato and cucumber nutrients again. It is time we stood up to these executives and show them where their power comes from, us the growers. They seem to be confused about who shops at the hydro stores it isn't vegetable farmers, Craig.
Even if you don't like Advanced nutrients products this call to action is for you. We shall not allow large corporate entities to decide which products we see on the store shelves. Only to ensure that they have no competition.
This is Tyrannabudz with your latest Hydroponics Politics report.
doc111
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Did anybody here actually read the whole thread. Advanced is saying that they are selling "marijuana specific" products. I am all for it. Problem is this little thing that happened before some of the people on this forum were born called Operation Green Merchant. This occurred in 1989 and basically the marijuana publications, hydro shops, wholesalers, nutrient companies and other indoor grow product suppliers were raided by the DEA. The shops were closed down and products were siezed along with customer lists, receipts and other information. This led to hundreds of growers getting busted. The reason this happened was because the DEA contended that the marketing of products specifically for cultivation of marijuana amounted to a criminal conspiracy within the hydroponics and indoor growing industry. This was wrapped up in litigation for years, cost shop owners and individuals millions of dollars and nearly caused the industry to collapse. Finally the hydro shop owners prevailed but they had to dissociate themselves from marijuana growing completely. But it's legal in 14 states for medicinal purposes currently you say. Ah, but it's still illegal under federal law. Operation Green Merchant was a disaster for the govt. There probably won't ever be another type of crackdown like it again but who knows. Individual shops and owners could get into a lot of trouble if they knowingly sell to a marijuana grower. It's called conspiracy and it's a bullshit charge but a lot of people remember Operation Green Merchant. They don't want a repeat and if they just don't even acknowledge marijuana in any way then there is nothing for them to worry about. That doesn't prevent people from going into hydro shops and buying equipment and products for growing. It's worked this way for over 20 years now and some don't want to rock the boat. I totally see where Sunlight Supply is coming from. It upsets me but federal law has to change, until then we are pretty much going to have to stay underground as a community. 
doc111
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That's kinda how I see it as well. I am a bit torn though. On the one hand I admire Big Mike and AN for standing up and saying "We're not going to play this stupid game of acting like we are selling tomato fertilizer anymore." On the other hand most people understand how the game is played and leave well enough alone. It sucks that it has to be this way but it's one of those cases of picking your battles. This is a battle that I think Big Mike and An will probably lose (and screw shit up for the rest of us in the process). I hope I'm wrong.
giantart
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GO with the Magnum XXXL - Very good quality and well manufactured.
terrorizer805
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Did anybody here actually read the whole thread. Advanced is saying that they are selling "marijuana specific" products. I am all for it. Problem is this little thing that happened before some of the people on this forum were born called Operation Green Merchant. This occurred in 1989 and basically the marijuana publications, hydro shops, wholesalers, nutrient companies and other indoor grow product suppliers were raided by the DEA. The shops were closed down and products were siezed along with customer lists, receipts and other information. This led to hundreds of growers getting busted. The reason this happened was because the DEA contended that the marketing of products specifically for cultivation of marijuana amounted to a criminal conspiracy within the hydroponics and indoor growing industry. This was wrapped up in litigation for years, cost shop owners and individuals millions of dollars and nearly caused the industry to collapse. Finally the hydro shop owners prevailed but they had to dissociate themselves from marijuana growing completely. But it's legal in 14 states for medicinal purposes currently you say. Ah, but it's still illegal under federal law. Operation Green Merchant was a disaster for the govt. There probably won't ever be another type of crackdown like it again but who knows. Individual shops and owners could get into a lot of trouble if they knowingly sell to a marijuana grower. It's called conspiracy and it's a bullshit charge but a lot of people remember Operation Green Merchant. They don't want a repeat and if they just don't even acknowledge marijuana in any way then there is nothing for them to worry about. That doesn't prevent people from going into hydro shops and buying equipment and products for growing. It's worked this way for over 20 years now and some don't want to rock the boat. I totally see where Sunlight Supply is coming from. It upsets me but federal law has to change, until then we are pretty much going to have to stay underground as a community.
Great points I totally agree with what you're saying, most people don't see the big picture here and just want to judge sunlight supply as the bad guy. I'm all for what SLS is doing risking business for one nutrient company is not worth it in my book. It's unfortunate that this is happening to AN but they should have kept their mouth shut and played it safe and not boasted like they've been doing. Like you said we will just have to stay underground and play the part as tomato growers just like every other nutrient, light and hydro company is doing.
chickentetrazzini530
Member
Have you used Advanced Nutrients products for blooming!??!!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Please say yes for your sake or further hurt the reputation of socal weed by pushing foxfarm. so laughable dude.