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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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apbx720 said:
Are u using a compost amend? Or compost as yr actual medium? Prob a dumb question but ive switched to organic soil from dwc and im looking for a good org recipe one that dnt gotta cook
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sorta both, I basicly started reusing my old soil for yrs, it is a vermifire base (good shit actually), so I did the ROLS for a couple yrs, and found that method had it's advantages, as well as drawbacks, for me the drawbacks were the peat based mix tended to contract a bit more than i'd like, and then it sorta had hydrophobic tendencies, that.
So to predicate that, I know a LOT of hippy homesteader people (good folk btw), and they have the most amazing fruits and veggies, and it's all based on leaf compost, only they don't even amend it, other than fruit and veggie scraps (nutrients right there), they have a worm bin too.
So I wanted to replace my peat with something, and already have tried coco (didn't work as well), so over the last five runs, I've replaced/reamended my mix with just my amended leaf compost and the results have been amazing, like indescribable.
My theory is all the abundant humus and microbial diversity has the compost just about perfect.
But this is all based on results, so the actual science is beyond me.
I wont ever, ever not have a leaf compost going though.
I need to get a new camera so this run I can post some pictures of it.

So long answer to your question. Sorry.
Point is, with patience, you can eliminate peat and coco from your mix entirely, and the results are waaay beyond what peat or coco can provide.
Annnnd it's water only.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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apbx720 said:
Are u using a compost amend? Or compost as yr actual medium? Prob a dumb question but ive switched to organic soil from dwc and im looking for a good org recipe one that dnt gotta cook
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oh, and EVERYTHING has to cook man, that's the kicker.
My leaf compost I amend with all my nutrients, so it breaksdown as the leaves compost, I have millions of redworms in there, as well as native worms, and over the course of about 3-6 months (depending on how much you turn and ambient temps) it breaks down into a pure crumbly spnogey like humus, almost looks like worm castings, only it's spongey and crumbley as opposed to more clay like (the worm castings)
you can't really bypass it though, gotta age it.
Especially with the nutrients I like, which are more meal based, dry, slow release nutrients, which in my experience, do the best for cannabis.
 
greencropper

greencropper

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greasemonkeymann said:
oh, and EVERYTHING has to cook man, that's the kicker.
My leaf compost I amend with all my nutrients, so it breaksdown as the leaves compost, I have millions of redworms in there, as well as native worms, and over the course of about 3-6 months (depending on how much you turn and ambient temps) it breaks down into a pure crumbly spnogey like humus, almost looks like worm castings, only it's spongey and crumbley as opposed to more clay like (the worm castings)
you can't really bypass it though, gotta age it.
Especially with the nutrients I like, which are more meal based, dry, slow release nutrients, which in my experience, do the best for cannabis.
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& the cooking kills unwanted pathogens & seeds from other plants, way to go bro
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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greasemonkeymann said:
sorta both, I basicly started reusing my old soil for yrs, it is a vermifire base (good shit actually), so I did the ROLS for a couple yrs, and found that method had it's advantages, as well as drawbacks, for me the drawbacks were the peat based mix tended to contract a bit more than i'd like, and then it sorta had hydrophobic tendencies, that.
So to predicate that, I know a LOT of hippy homesteader people (good folk btw), and they have the most amazing fruits and veggies, and it's all based on leaf compost, only they don't even amend it, other than fruit and veggie scraps (nutrients right there), they have a worm bin too.
So I wanted to replace my peat with something, and already have tried coco (didn't work as well), so over the last five runs, I've replaced/reamended my mix with just my amended leaf compost and the results have been amazing, like indescribable.
My theory is all the abundant humus and microbial diversity has the compost just about perfect.
But this is all based on results, so the actual science is beyond me.
I wont ever, ever not have a leaf compost going though.
I need to get a new camera so this run I can post some pictures of it.

So long answer to your question. Sorry.
Point is, with patience, you can eliminate peat and coco from your mix entirely, and the results are waaay beyond what peat or coco can provide.
Annnnd it's water only.
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I hear that! Once I switched to leaf mold it all came together. Never going back to any other base... plus it's free, and saves me from having to haul an insane amount of yard bags full of leaves to the curb. No brainer!
 
futant

futant

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st0wandgrow said:
I hear that! Once I switched to leaf mold it all came together. Never going back to any other base... plus it's free, and saves me from having to haul an insane amount of yard bags full of leaves to the curb. No brainer!
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Hands down Oak leaves cannot be beat. You can actually get away with using oak all by itself without layering N and C it is so complete compared to other leaf material.
I believe Quercetin may be beneficial for cannabis soil.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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jpdnkstr said:
Excellent! What about maple? I imagine hardwoods would be very similar, I wonder where you would have nutritional differences....

Can't wait to run these...View attachment 3550120
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I have mostly Maple trees in my yard, so that's what I use. I'm loving the results. If you mulch them first with your law mower to create more surface area they will break down quicker.
 
The Knave

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futant said:
Just oak, it's magical.
That's why metaphorically it's the wood to make friendships out of.
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I would never have thought of using oak. Here in the south, old Laurel and Live Oaks make for beautiful trees but they are the worst for lawns. Don't know exact reason (acidity maybe?), but every lawn with an oak tree has shitty turf. From the drip line to the trunk it's almost impossible to keep grass growing. This is why I wouldn't have considered oak leaves for mulch or compost.

Not disputing your results or knowledge, just making note of another bit of learning I have to consider
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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The Knave said:
I would never have thought of using oak. Here in the south, old Laurel and Live Oaks make for beautiful trees but they are the worst for lawns. Don't know exact reason (acidity maybe?), but every lawn with an oak tree has shitty turf. From the drip line to the trunk it's almost impossible to keep grass growing. This is why I wouldn't have considered oak leaves for mulch or compost.

Not disputing your results or knowledge, just making note of another bit of learning I have to consider
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This is a good read...

http://www.planetnatural.com/leaf-mold/
 
futant

futant

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The Knave said:
I would never have thought of using oak. Here in the south, old Laurel and Live Oaks make for beautiful trees but they are the worst for lawns. Don't know exact reason (acidity maybe?), but every lawn with an oak tree has shitty turf. From the drip line to the trunk it's almost impossible to keep grass growing. This is why I wouldn't have considered oak leaves for mulch or compost.

Not disputing your results or knowledge, just making note of another bit of learning I have to consider
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So you are saying an OAK can disrupt an unnatural, soil detrimental, non live soil, monoculture crop (lawngrass), and prevent it from overtaking nature, even when man intervenes to assist.
Told ya it was magical :mrgreen:
 
H2OBO

H2OBO

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JDGreen said:
Runnin the jabbas now. Anything u could say about the smoke? Indoors?
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Hey JD. Sorry for the delay. Indoor. Jabba puts me down pretty quick, especially if I had an IPA earlier in the evening. Ever felt yourself contort inward then zonk out! The smells are pretty unusual. African Violet, elderberry. No coffee on my
Keeper. strain description seems spot on, I kept the pheno least like bubba, have a bub already. Higher calyx to leaf ratio than bubba, better yield by 25%+, good chunky nugs, great froth, cool colors come out depending on method. I say jabbas low maintenance, finishes pretty fast. Could be great production plant. Never seen nanners even with abuse, which it seems to not mind.
 
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greencropper

greencropper

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greasemonkeymann said:
great fuckin link man!
Interesting to understand the science behind it all, didn't know it was more nutrient dense than manure (REALLY?)
That would explain the "magic" we keep talking about, it's insane how green these plants are..
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imagine how healthy we would be too if we ate properly and didnt have that 3lbs of plastic inside us as dr david suzuki points out
 
H2OBO

H2OBO

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And I have to mention of the 12 new b strains that are 2.5 weeks into 1212, dream beaver is already frosty beyond belief for 2.5w, stems, new leaves, it's starting to glisten, on a frame that reminds me of some space queen crosses(SQ Dom Dairy queen specifically ). Very excited about the dream Beaver.
 
JDGreen

JDGreen

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H2OBO said:
Hey JD. Sorry for the delay. Indoor. Jabba puts me down pretty quick, especially if I had an IPA earlier in the evening. Ever felt yourself contort inward then zonk out! The smells are pretty unusual. African Violet, elderberry. No coffee on my
Keeper. strain description seems spot on, I kept the pheno least like bubba, have a bub already. Higher calyx to leaf ratio than bubba, better yield by 25%+, good chunky nugs, great froth, cool colors come out depending on method. I say jabbas low maintenance, finishes pretty fast. Could be great production plant. Never seen nanners even with abuse, which it seems to not mind.
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I always hear good things. Im just about a week from flower on the two i got, both look like a mix one more bubba and one more snow lotus. Im excited about this one. Just waitin on clones.
 
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