Bleach instead of H2o2

well Ive been on the side of H202 for a month adding 7ML per gal every 3 days and the res problems are still there.
H202 seems to keep it a bay but if I forget to add on the 3rd day bam shit shows up ph goes up, so Im thinking
bleach would work. and trust me ive tryed all the zyme shit on the market is a huge waist of money. some might
say your res temp is to high well 66 dagrees to hot hell no. my friends are like dude whats rong with your water?
well im not sure guess well waters fucked up, but there on city water and they never have res water issue! well
I think its due to the clorine in the city water, its the only conclusion I can come up with. So how about a happy
medium if there could be a long standing affect to your plants due to bleach why not just use it for a small aplacation
and then move to using H202 that from what Ive seen cant hurt your plants.

I have used bleach for about 7 months with no problems, 6-8 drops per gallon, add back every 3 days.

so I have read all 10 pages of this thread, and only one post made any distinction between 'household' H202 (i.e around 3%) and 'hydro' store H2O2 at 29%. I am trying to build my knowledge base, as I am buying an aeroponic system, and find this thread fascinating. I am keeping my options open, both to bleach and Hydrogen Peroxide. I guess my question would be, are those that are using H2O2 using 3% or 29%?

hadatrn2growin said:

so I have read all 10 pages of this thread, and only one post made any distinction between 'household' H202 (i.e around 3%) and 'hydro' store H2O2 at 29%. I am trying to build my knowledge base, as I am buying an aeroponic system, and find this thread fascinating. I am keeping my options open, both to bleach and Hydrogen Peroxide. I guess my question would be, are those that are using H2O2 using 3% or 29%?

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I use and also most peeps do to use the highest % you can get most use is 29% its about 20$ a gal
7ML per gal and add back every three days

choempi said:

I have used bleach for about 7 months with no problems, 6-8 drops per gallon, add back every 3 days.

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choempi what if I have H202 in the res and dont want to do a res change can I add the bleach on top of the H202?

hellraizer30 said:

choempi what if I have H202 in the res and dont want to do a res change can I add the bleach on top of the H202?

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Yes, h2o2 dissipates at a similar rate to bleach.

ok so 6 drops per gal x 55gals =330 drops that seems like alot of bleach.

I have had issues with roots from the start of my grow.. I used h202 at first, got slime anyways,, switched to beneficial teas etc and I still have issues... thinking of using the bleach but I am using humboldts product line,, Amino acid based nutrients (master a&B) not sure if this will will be good with this product line... Also using flavor (humic acid) .. Im currently following the Heisenburg thread ( beneficial bacteria) had a horrible outbreak when I added hygrozyme to my rez,, fucked up everything.. had to do a heavy flush with h202 to try and get things back . still not on track, 4thweek of bloom and plants only uptaking 1-2 gallons a day (30plants). Any opinions on using a amino acid based nute with Bleach? Thx... May switch to novaflora bloom or dynagro... way cheaper than the humbolts crap...

I often had well rooted clones in my ez-clones die from what I assume was bad bacteria and/or fungi, I tried h2o2(29%) at all different doses and it never helped one tiny bit, but adding the equivalent of about two drops per gallon bleach totally solved it and I can now let my cutting roots reach the bottom of the ez-clone without troubles. I actually dissolved two grams of calcium hypochlorite pool shock in a gallon of water and added one ounce of that solution per gallon of rez water.

hellraizer30 said:

ok so 6 drops per gal x 55gals =330 drops that seems like alot of bleach.

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figure how much it is one time in a measuring cup.

frogster said:

I have had issues with roots from the start of my grow.. I used h202 at first, got slime anyways,, switched to beneficial teas etc and I still have issues... thinking of using the bleach but I am using humboldts product line,, Amino acid based nutrients (master a&B) not sure if this will will be good with this product line... Also using flavor (humic acid) .. Im currently following the Heisenburg thread ( beneficial bacteria) had a horrible outbreak when I added hygrozyme to my rez,, fucked up everything.. had to do a heavy flush with h202 to try and get things back . still not on track, 4thweek of bloom and plants only uptaking 1-2 gallons a day (30plants). Any opinions on using a amino acid based nute with Bleach? Thx... May switch to novaflora bloom or dynagro... way cheaper than the humbolts crap...

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Can not use with any organics.

Im thinking of killing off the organics... ie..screw the microbes... And going back to a regular nutrient line,,, something simple , ie novaflora or dynagrow.......

frogster said:

Im thinking of killing off the organics... ie..screw the microbes... And going back to a regular nutrient line,,, something simple , ie novaflora or dynagrow.......

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heard good things about dynagrow, I use a 3 part dry, vitagrow, works a charm and cheap as fuck. You get total control with a 3 part and it is not complicated, you just use the proportions and then use your ec or ppm to get a level, add back to bring the ec down every 3 or so days, change res when you have added back the rez capacity. I change out every 3 weeks. And of course PH is a given and most important, I go for 5.7-5.9 every feed...

frogster said:

Im thinking of killing off the organics... ie..screw the microbes... And going back to a regular nutrient line,,, something simple , ie novaflora or dynagrow.......

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hydro is built for non organics

hey chomp could i use this stuff this is what it says copy an paste====
Sodium Percarbonate (Synonyms: Sodium Carbonate Peroxyhydrate, sodium carbonate peroxide, PCS) is a free-flowing powder with a common name of solid hydrogen peroxide, it is an addition compound of sodium carbonate and hydrogen peroxide. Percarbonate has an active available oxygen content (13%) which is equivalent to 27.5% Hydrogen peroxide.
It breaks down to oxygen, water and sodium carbonate upon decomposition. It is an environmentally safe bleaching agent.
Sodium Percarbonate offers many of the same functional benefits as liquid hydrogen peroxide. It dissolves into water rapidly to release oxygen and provides powerful cleaning, bleaching, stain removal and deodorizing capabilities in addition to being highly effective at killing bacteria, fungus, viruses and algae. It has the added advantage of no odour, non toxic, and non polluting.
so yes could i use instead of normal bleach outta supermarket any info would be great or from fatman if he still around i see on thc farmer that there is an abundance of peeps over there using bleach instead of h202

Sounds just like h202 in solid form?? cant see a difference..both of us are too lazy to google this a.m apparently. This thread covers bleach usage,,, using that product would be more inline with al b fucts ideas for sanitation... Im sure he will chime in after he sees your post, Al seems to really love the h202... hey, cant deny results! What are the cost savings for this solid form over the liquid? ie. LINK to the product being sold...

its actually on the bay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5Kg-Sodium-Percarbonate-Pure-Oxygen-Bleach-/110644472509?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item19c2ecaabd it says you use in aquariums etc

Good news,, Humboldts guru said Im fine with h202 or bleach with the nute line Im using ,, wont effect the chelated amino acid based Master part a&b nute line ... of course they have an organic line that it couldnt be used with .... so , away we go tonight with bleach.... fingers crossed...

8 drops per gallon is 1/2ml with my dropper..... so for 50 gallons 25ml. every 2-3 days for maintenance amounts? sound right?.. Im using 6% clorox.... Someone posted 2.5tsp (12.5ml) is 2ppm in 50 gallons... so the 8drop per gallon should be 4ppm if using the same bleach.... lots of assumptions here..!

Nothingtodeclare... Go for it,,, just mix according to the directions.. "As rule of thumb the dosage level should be one kilo of sodium percarbonate to treat between 14000 and 28000 litres of water." Tell us how it works out..lol.. Seriously regular h202 is pretty damn cheap,, even the $1 bottles of 3% at walmart.. If I were going with h202 thats what I would use, as I don't give a crap to mess with the 30-50% stuff... just not something to spill on myself IMO..