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DR. VonDankenstine · Jul 31, 2008

If you want to get bigger and faster growth ---the number one thing you need to do is loosing up that soil----I don't care if your using the high-end FOXFARM OCEAN FORREST or any of the other top soils---You still need to make it looser----why do you think so many growers choose hydro or drip or drain/fill----or flood or anything other than soil?????----It's because they get faster results----why?????------because the roots have the least resistance in those types of set-ups----I hear it all the time from growers--"I use ocean Forrest just the way it is and it works great for me.."--that's great but I make make it way better :hump:

and soo can you!!!-----------If you don't believe me try it in a 16 oz cups---Take one plant in just your normal soil(no adds) then take the same soil and use it in a mix----1part soil----1part perlite-----1part vermiculite---I know some of you are saying:----Well the vermiculite provides nutes so of course the plant will do better---If this is the case don't use the verm just go---1part soil to 1 part perlite----The whole point here folks is you want light loamy soil that roots can thrive in without having to expel so much energy penetrating the soil. Loosing up your soil as much as you can and watch your plants explode with growth... :mrgreen:

s.c.mtn.hillbilly · Jul 31, 2008

the roots need oxygen!!! compacted soil inhibits growth.

fdd2blk · Jul 31, 2008

this .................

equals this ........................

plus lots of this of course ..........

DR. VonDankenstine · Jul 31, 2008

oooooooohhhhh---aaaaaahhhhh-----the dirt-a-nator :mrgreen:

----that will loosen that shit up and other things as well... :confused:

fdd2blk · Jul 31, 2008

DR. VonDankenstine said:
oooooooohhhhh---aaaaaahhhhh-----the dirt-a-nator----that will loosen that shit up and other things as well...

i love it. went over it all about 20 times.

overfiend · Jul 31, 2008

ahhh. this just helps confirm it. i thought loose soil helped grow faster, bigger i had a plant not go so well it stunted compared to its sister clones the only difference was i ran out of perlite before i finished planting.
thanks for clearing this up

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

What nutrients does vermiculite provide? I stopped using perlite (Miracle Gro) because they add fertilizer to it and I want to know exactly what I'm dealing with.

BSIv2.0 · Jul 31, 2008

Seamaiden said:
What nutrients does vermiculite provide? I stopped using perlite (Miracle Gro) because they add fertilizer to it and I want to know exactly what I'm dealing with.

I found some "Schultz Horticultural Perlite" from my local GC. No added ferts...same price as MG's.

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

Yes, but I am very limited where I live. If it's not at Lowe's, Walmart/Kmart (actually, I hate going into our local Kmart) or the garden center, I have to order online. Mostly I'm curious as to what it's composed of, I like how it mixes with the soil a whole lot better than perlite now that I'm using it.

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

Son of a bitch, there's a site dedicated to vermiculite.
About Vermiculite
http://www.vermiculite.org/properties.htm

DR. VonDankenstine · Jul 31, 2008

Never heard of perlite having nutes in it-----Verm has nitrogen and micros--It's a good add to soil in veg and even small amounts in bloom kind of a organic natural time release nitrogen source----Sorry you have such a hard time getting good perlite----If you pay for the shipping and cost of it--I will pick up the FF Big Chunk perlite and send it to you stealth-----It really is a great product....PM me if you need...

speedhabit · Jul 31, 2008

Am I the only one thinking it has nothing to do with the soil's "resistance" to the root growth? Unless im retarded stoned right now I think the reason people put perlite in there soil, and furthermore grow hydroponically in rockwool and aeroponically in nothing is because of the increased exposure to oxygen. Roots process oxygen and its this increased exposure that translates into the rapid growth assosiated with these growing methods.

I grow in Fox Farms and I suggest that most people should not add additional perlite. There is already perlite in the mix, more then enough, I feel like a novice grower can easily grow overboard, ending with a nearly agro-ponic medium like light warrior and thus prone to nutrient deficieny.

One of the advantages to Ocean Forest is how little you have to fertilize when growing buds in a container. I think new growers should consider growing in this straight soil or a local organic equivalent. It drains great, retains moisture, remains light, and feeds forever. Im very satisfied, sorry I sound like a brand whore.

These were only hit 3 times with a organic nute tea during flowering. Vegged for a month and flowered 73 days in FF ocean forest.

fdd2blk · Jul 31, 2008

speedhabit said:
Am I the only one thinking it has nothing to do with the soil's "resistance" to the root growth? Unless im retarded stoned right now I think the reason people put perlite in there soil, and furthermore grow hydroponically in rockwool and aeroponically in nothing is because of the increased exposure to oxygen. Roots process oxygen and its this increased exposure that translates into the rapid growth assosiated with these growing methods.

I grow in Fox Farms and I suggest that most people should not add additional perlite. There is already perlite in the mix, more then enough, I feel like a novice grower can easily grow overboard, ending with a nearly agro-ponic medium like light warrior and thus prone to nutrient deficieny.

One of the advantages to Ocean Forest is how little you have to fertilize when growing buds in a container. I think new growers should consider growing in this straight soil or a local organic equivalent. It drains great, retains moisture, remains light, and feeds forever. Im very satisfied, sorry I sound like a brand whore.

These were only hit 3 times with a organic nute tea during flowering. Vegged for a month and flowered 73 days in FF ocean forest.

they are all yellow. :-?

speedhabit · Jul 31, 2008

I thought Sativas yellowed towards the end? This was like day of harvest/two days before. Yield decent smokes real smooth.

fdd2blk · Jul 31, 2008

speedhabit said:
I thought Sativas yellowed towards the end? This was like day of harvest/two days before. Yield decent smokes real smooth.

looks like at least 2 more weeks to finish. i don't even see any brown hairs. :-|

it looks good, just really hungry. :blsmoke:

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

DR. VonDankenstine said:
Never heard of perlite having nutes in it-----Verm has nitrogen and micros--It's a good add to soil in veg and even small amounts in bloom kind of a organic natural time release nitrogen source----Sorry you have such a hard time getting good perlite----If you pay for the shipping and cost of it--I will pick up the FF Big Chunk perlite and send it to you stealth-----It really is a great product....PM me if you need...

Wow, that is totally sweet of you, Dr.

But, there's really no need, I really REALLY like the vermiculite and how it behaves.

I see no nitrogen or nitrogenous compounds in the chemical formula of vermiculite.
This is vermiculite: (Mg,Ca,K,Fe[SIZE=-1]11[/SIZE])[SIZE=-2]3[/SIZE] (Si,AL,Fe[SIZE=-1]111[/SIZE])[SIZE=-3]4[/SIZE]O[SIZE=-3]10[/SIZE](OH)[SIZE=-2]2[/SIZE]O4H[SIZE=-2]2[/SIZE]O; or, also known as hydrated laminar magnesium-aluminum-ironsilicate. :twisted:

It is a mined mineral, and it got its name because when heat is applied it has a very unique property of exfoliating into odd, worm-like shapes (vermiculite is derived from the Latin, ''vermiculare', to breed worms). Now, if you noticed the "hydrated" bit of its name, then you may have an idea as to how it gets into those worm-like shapes when heated. It is because water trapped between the layers expands, et voila, mineral worms.

The perlite was specifically Miracle Gro, pretty much all that's available here, and they add their own fertilizers.

EverythingISayIsPRETEND · Jul 31, 2008

DR. VonDankenstine said:
If you want to get bigger and faster growth ---the number one thing you need to do is loosing up that soil----I don't care if your using the high-end FOXFARM OCEAN FORREST or any of the other top soils---You still need to make it looser----why do you think so many growers choose hydro or drip or drain/fill----or flood or anything other than soil?????----It's because they get faster results----why?????------because the roots have the least resistance in those types of set-ups----I hear it all the time from growers--"I use ocean Forrest just the way it is and it works great for me.."--that's great but I make make it way better and soo can you!!!-----------If you don't believe me try it in a 16 oz cups---Take one plant in just your normal soil(no adds) then take the same soil and use it in a mix----1part soil----1part perlite-----1part vermiculite---I know some of you are saying:----Well the vermiculite provides nutes so of course the plant will do better---If this is the case don't use the verm just go---1part soil to 1 part perlite----The whole point here folks is you want light loamy soil that roots can thrive in without having to expel so much energy penetrating the soil. Loosing up your soil as much as you can and watch your plants explode with growth...

dont use vermiculite unless you want cancer, bad advice. Vermiculite has asbestos in it Grow Big And Good but dont risk your health. Just mix soil with 30-40% perlite. NO VERMICULITE :peace:

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

EverythingISayIsPRETEND said:
dont use vermiculite unless you want cancer, bad advice. Vermiculite has asbestos in it Grow Big And Good but dont risk your health. Just mix soil with 30-40% perlite. NO VERMICULITE

WHAT? Bullshit. Jesus f'ing Christ, man, at least be sure you know what you're talking about. Besides, what's wrong with asbestos as long as you don't inhale it? You're full of shit.
Here is the molecular formula of asbestos; NaFe32+Fe23+Si8O22(OH)2
Looks a wee bit different from vermiculite.

Jesus Christ.

Besides, if it were anything like asbestos, then why on earth would it be sold on the open market as it is?

ghengiskhan · Jul 31, 2008

Seamaiden said:
WHAT? Bullshit. Jesus f'ing Christ, man, at least be sure you know what you're talking about. Besides, what's wrong with asbestos as long as you don't inhale it? You're full of shit.
Here is the molecular formula of asbestos; NaFe32+Fe23+Si8O22(OH)2
Looks a wee bit different from vermiculite.

Jesus Christ.

Besides, if it were anything like asbestos, then why on earth would it be sold on the open market as it is?

You've never heard of contamination or industrial by products? :-|

Vermiculite | Asbestos | US EPA

Asbestos in Vermiculite

Anyways, there's certified asbestos free vermiculite.. so it's not a big deal.

Research > Assumptions.

Seamaiden · Jul 31, 2008

I actually did research, specifically on vermiculite, and then specifically on asbestos. My apologies. From your own link:

Vermiculite ores from some sources have been found to contain asbestos minerals but asbestos is not intrinsic to vermiculite and only a few ore bodies have been found to contain more than tiny trace amounts.

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