Better yield with single plant grow?

JohnDee

JohnDee

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Hi All,
Just looking for any science behind this idea. What sparked this was research I was doing on a strain called KushCo OG. Dude was growing it and I wanted to see recommended harvest time.

I apologize that I am unable to find the link, but I recall the statement which went something like this:

"The plant grown alone will outperform plants grown in a group because they tend to repress one another."

The impression I got was they were referring to some sort of pheromone activity that influenced neighbor plants. This certainly is something that could happen and it makes sense that plants might compete with each other.

But I've just never heard ANY mention of such a thing in any of my readings until now. Has anyone heard of this? Any thoughts?
Cheers,
JD
 
Srirachi

Srirachi

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I think this has more to do with competition for light than with pheromones unless the author of that statement has some research that hasn't been released yet. The idea would be that two plants competing for light would stretch while one plant would not compete with itself but rather invest resources in growing in an area with excess light instead of stretching.
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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hotrodharley said:
That's ridiculous. I don't see any way this could ever go past hypothesis .
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That was my thought too, but I read it on a seed sellers website and don't see why they would post it...if there weren't some validity.


Srirachi said:
I think this has more to do with competition for light than with pheromones unless the author of that statement has some research that hasn't been released yet. The idea would be that two plants competing for light would stretch while one plant would not compete with itself but rather invest resources in growing in an area with excess light instead of stretching.
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That makes sense Srirachi. I'm thinking that it might be some incomplete piece of science that got misinterpreted. He didn't actually say pheromones...that was my interpretation.

So Sri...you a shroom grower? Once I get my grow room humming, shrooms are my next project. I have a few shroom grows under my belt.
Cheers,
JD
 
Srirachi

Srirachi

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I've grown a few shrooms. I like it. As a fungus and not a plant, it means you have to learn a few things about how they like to be treated but within a couple of grows you'll get it and have more shrooms than you can give away. I don't really grow anymore unless it's for personal use but I do grow edibles now and fresh oyster and lion's mane shrooms are a treat indeed. Feel free to hmu when you're ready to start if you have any questions!
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Srirachi said:
Feel free to hmu when you're ready to start if you have any questions!
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Hey thanks man. I cooked up substrate in jars, grew out mycelium, and plopped the content into grow chamber and misted. It was actually fairly easy...but I'm a decade out of practice! Edible shrooms sounds good too. I'm not a heavy tripper anymore...mostly wanted to try micro-dosing. Clear head, good for meditation and creative thought. (or so I have read)
JD
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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JohnDee said:
Hi All,
Just looking for any science behind this idea. What sparked this was research I was doing on a strain called KushCo OG. Dude was growing it and I wanted to see recommended harvest time.

I apologize that I am unable to find the link, but I recall the statement which went something like this:

"The plant grown alone will outperform plants grown in a group because they tend to repress one another."

The impression I got was they were referring to some sort of pheromone activity that influenced neighbor plants. This certainly is something that could happen and it makes sense that plants might compete with each other.

But I've just never heard ANY mention of such a thing in any of my readings until now. Has anyone heard of this? Any thoughts?
Cheers,
JD
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Ive read something similar to this on DonJuanMatus' (DJM) "coco trees" thread on IC. He says something along the lines "space each plant 3 feet apart, so the plant can be bathed fully by your lights or they compete against the light if close." Thats not verbatim but its close. This guy looks like he knows his shit. His thread speaks for itself.
 
Thegermling

Thegermling

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JohnDee said:
Thanks Germling...now we're getting somewhere. I'm a member over there but haven't read his thread. I'll definitely check it out.
JD
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Youll find alot of surprises on this guys thread. He grows in 60-80% humidity (in flower) and claims that PM or mold etc., only grows in poorly ventilated environments. His cloning game is the best Ive ever seen too. Lots of gems on that 100 page thread. Yep Ive read it all. Good luck!
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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Hi Don,
Thanks much for the vid link. Indeed it does talk about both interspecies competion as well as filial non-interference among "family groups"

Much of the activity they talk about is underground rootzone competiton...which certainly would argue against putting two different strains in single bin.

The info about wild tobacco was fascinating. The plant actually sends out pheromanes to attract insect predators who then show up to destroy caterpillars who are eating the tobacco leaves.

Great cine work too.
Cheers,
JD
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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JohnDee said:
Hi Don,
Thanks much for the vid link. Indeed it does talk about both interspecies competion as well as filial non-interference among "family groups"

Much of the activity they talk about is underground rootzone competiton...which certainly would argue against putting two different strains in single bin.

The info about wild tobacco was fascinating. The plant actually sends out pheromanes to attract insect predators who then show up to destroy caterpillars who are eating the tobacco leaves.

Great cine work too.
Cheers,
JD
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My pleasure friend, interesting convo to me, so more than happy to share.
And thank you, cine work, I like that!

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And yes, very interesting stuff indeed, I feel more like a plant after long days of research than an animal.. and I'm sure plants feel like animals half the time. The rabbit hole is deeeeeeep...
Cheers,
DT
 
JohnDee

JohnDee

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DonTesla said:
I feel more like a plant after long days of research than an animal..
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Hi Don,
What type of research do you do? I've done some qualitative grounded theory research back in my college days. If I had to do it over again I'd become a botanist.
Cheers,
JD
 
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