Best 'stand alone' bloom boosters

I can't believe it when I watch people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars nutrients just to say "it's such a small part of my costs, it's not worth all that extra stress to save a few pennies".

That reasoning makes no sense to me. It's more than a few pennies saved, and ends up making things more SIMPLE.

Whether someone has a small tent or a warehouse grow, ditching bottled nutes for generic dry salts will save a lot of money and reduce headaches!

ttystikk said:

I paid $640.50... for enough of the above to turn a 50,000 gallon Olympic size swimming pool into my own personal nutrient reservoir... and I'd still have leftovers.

Cost per run; about $7, which includes four 100 gallon changeouts plus topups.

Peace of mind, knowing exactly what's in my nutes? PRICELESS.

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Just came back from my regular grow shop. "Sure, we can still supply everything" the guy said with a defiant smile. Except phillips gear. I can order those elsewhere or even import. So far it doesn't actually impact me apart from less competition or not being able to buy everything at the growshop in my neighborhood.

Philips is low quality. (not really, but fuck em!!)

or just go with general hydroponics maxi series, cheap, and best nutes ive ever used, compared to more expensive brands.. no aditives needed

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This is exactly what happened in Colorado. They've been 'modifying' it ever since... and prosecutors have been getting their cases handed to them for just as long.

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Although everything is usually about the money, greed is typically not a motivation for most politicians here. Salaries are low and they aren't allowed to make money (like own a company on the side) or accept goods/money/services for free as it creates a conflict of interest. The same people can make a lot more in a commercial industry. Currently a member of the house is fucked over just a few thousands bucks (declared car use while he has a car+chauffeur). Hard to explain/compare, politicians here are not like politicians in the US. I don't mean that offensive, politics just isn't that exciting here.

Also not saying they are all honest people but it's above all ignorance and self-righteousness. Which is actually worse than greed. Greedy people you can buy, or in this case possibly persuade with the promise of tax income and savings on cops raiding growers. For most of the nay sayers here it's a principal matter or goes against the ideology/religion of their party.

It's not like it's the same government or same people who were pro-legalization are now against.

Instead of dem vs republic we got christian democrats, labor, liberals, racists, old skool christians, really oldskool batshit-christians, elder party, animal party, socialists, student party, the green party, etc None of them ever rules alone (would need more than half the votes), so they need to form coalitions. They are however not all compatible, chances one can and will be formed where they are all pro-legalization are and will remain very slim.

churchhaze said:

I can't believe it when I watch people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars nutrients just to say "it's such a small part of my costs, it's not worth all that extra stress to save a few pennies".

That reasoning makes no sense to me. It's more than a few pennies saved, and ends up making things more SIMPLE.

Whether someone has a small tent or a warehouse grow, ditching bottled nutes for generic dry salts will save a lot of money and reduce headaches!

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Some people you just can't reach...

Sativied said:

politicians here are not like politicians in the US ... ignorance and self-righteousness ... nay sayers here it's a principal matter or goes against the ideology/religion.

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At the core, that's politics everywhere.

churchhaze said:

Philips is low quality.

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Take that up with Mr No-reply

They create in fact some of the, if not the, best hps bulbs (umol, par, and lifetime), and while gavita came close and in some cases surpassed them, the others I can more easily pick up (still a whole lot of brands that distribute to grow shops) do not.

One of the companies that might fill up any gap gavita leaves behind in growshops is dimlux http://dimlux.nl

churchhaze said:

Philips is low quality. (not really, but fuck em!!)

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Don't blame Philips, they didn't make these rules. They're just trying to deal with them, like everyone else. I'm sure they'd rather be there, ready and in good standing when the legislation changes back than play the uphill battle. It's not their fight.

Sativied said:

They create in fact some of the, if not the, best hps bulbs (umol, par, and lifetime)

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HPS? What's this HPS you speak of??

TheChemist77 said:

or just go with general hydroponics maxi series, cheap, and best nutes ive ever used, compared to more expensive brands.. no aditives needed

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For calling yourself 'thechemist', you sure don't know much about chemistry.

I suggest you bone up on the subject of water soluble salts before you lose what's left of your credibility.

Just saw on FOX news where many MJ growers in the States are about to go broke. There's too many regs, taxes, competition from illegal growers such that the prices are falling and the typical grower can't make ends meet. Plus all states but Colorado do not allow growers to sell directly to the public. FOX interviewed a upper tier rep from the Liquor Board that regulates pot and a grower who both agreed, "many will not make it". Does not look good if you're in it for the money. Already growers are bailing out.

churchhaze said:

At the core, that's politics everywhere.

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Grabbing three parts of three different sentences from two paragraphs in most posts can describe something at it's core. What's your point?

Uncle Ben said:

Just saw on FOX news where many MJ growers in the States are about to go broke. There's too many regs, taxes, competition from illegal growers such that the prices are falling and the typical grower can't make ends meet. Plus all states but Colorado do not allow growers to sell directly to the public. FOX interviewed a upper tier rep from the Liquor Board that regulates pot and a grower who both agreed, "many will not make it". Does not look good if you're in it for the money. Already growers are bailing out.

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Most of the people (fools) rushing into the legal grow scene know nothing about farming.

They just want to get rich with free weed.

Uncle Ben said:

Just saw on FOX news where many MJ growers in the States are about to go broke. There's too many regs, taxes, competition from illegal growers such that the prices are falling and the typical grower can't make ends meet. Plus all states but Colorado do not allow growers to sell directly to the public. FOX interviewed a upper tier rep from the Liquor Board that regulates pot and a grower who both agreed, "many will not make it". Does not look good if you're in it for the money. Already growers are bailing out.

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And the greedy get screwed... karma, anyone? Or shall we stick to more of the usual dogma?

Your politicians aren't different is my point. Here, the problems are based on ignorance as well.

Sativied said:

Grabbing three parts of three different sentences from two paragraphs in most posts can describe something at it's core. What's your point?

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churchhaze said:

Your politicians aren't different is my point. Here, the problems are based on ignorance as well.

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At its core all politicians are the same here yes, obviously. Especially when comparing US to NL (don't get me started with history lessons). If you strip someone's comments from the nuances and specifics you are left with a skewed simplified quote that at its core applies widely yes.

To put it back into the context: my reply was in reply to tty's comment about following the money and who profits from the new order and az's follow up with 'politicians, whoever donates the most'.

They are not the same beyond the core in that context. The status of a politician in the US and here is very different. They are not allowed to have an income here, they are not allowed to receive donations, and all receive the same indemnity for that ($110K a year). While there's obviously lobbying going on here too, and it's usually eventually about money one way or the other, following the money isn't the solution here.

I don't think I stripped any context out of your quote, at least not to mislead. Weed is still illegal in most states and the US itself, and it's because the general population keeps voting for people they know full well will vote no on weed legalization issues.

In most states, the reason it's illegal is simply because it's a hot button issue. Blow it up all you want, but that's it. Any politician that talks about weed legalization is immediately accused of being a stoner, and opponents will label him/her as advocating drug usage. It's so easy to use in debate, that it's easier to not bring it up at all. It's like talking about social security. You just can't do that. It's taboo to even talk about the social security or medicare in US politics.

Most voters in the US are willing to vote for a representative or senator that's anti-pot just so they can win some other political fight. The minute someone brings up pot, they get accused of not focusing on the serious issues, like the economy, wars, etc.

Look at this video that was put out to make this pro-legalization candidate seem like he advocates drug usage. The candidate himself did not make these videos, nor did his supporters. A whole series of these "Get burke, get blazed" videos were put out to make him look irresponsible.

Sativied said:

At its core all politicians are the same here yes, obviously. Especially when comparing US to NL (don't get me started with history lessons). If you strip someone's comments from the nuances and specifics you are left with a skewed simplified quote that at its core applies widely yes.

To put it back into the context: my reply was in reply to tty's comment about following the money and who profits from the new order and az's follow up with 'politicians, whoever donates the most'.


They are not the same beyond the core in that context. The status of a politician in the US and here is very different. They are not allowed to have an income here, they are not allowed to receive donations, and all receive the same indemnity for that ($110K a year). While there's obviously lobbying going on here too, and it's usually eventually about money one way or the other, following the money isn't the solution here.

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churchhaze said:

Any politician that talks about weed legalization is immediately accused of being a stoner,
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The minute someone brings up pot, they get accused of not focusing on the serious issues, like the economy, wars, etc.

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After 4 decades that by itself is not a big issue here. What's new though is that they are using it in negotiations about the tax system overhaul (something the anti-pot-party wants badly).

churchhaze said:

In most states, the reason it's illegal is simply because it's a hot button issue.

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Yes that's the main obstacle. No conspiracy from pharmaceutical companies, greedy politicians, heineken and whatnot, but "it's drugs! bad! Protect our children from reefer madness!" type of ignorance.

Speaking of reefer madness, it hit London too.

http://www.sciencealert.com/smoking-skunk-linked-to-higher-risk-of-psychosis-but-smoking-hash-isn-t

That research by itself may spark the 15%THC limit plan (currently on hold) again.