Best led light for under $1300

*moonlight*

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I need something that has the best spectrums, watts, footprint for under $1300 bucks. I would prefer to have one that I can use from seed to harvest with no supplemental light for flowering. I only have a 4X4 area so i'm sure that amount of money should cover it. I noticed the 800 Watt solar storm is that any good? What would give me the biggest veg and flower results? Any and all help would be great.
 

*moonlight*

Member
Thanks for the help, what about blackdog led. They have a BD-450U that puts out like 900 Watts with 5W leds and a lot of spectrums for all stages but the flowering foot print is only 3.5 X 3.5. I would really hate to spend $400 more dollars for the next biggest size just to get a foot print of 4x4. Any thoughts?
 

Canna Connoiseur

Active Member
This 330w LED with the ti probloom option will give you best spectrum and works through flower. Look at my journal and you can see it in action. The website is www.ledinnovationdesign.com
You should be able to get it from a retailer for around 1000. I got mine for 900
 

Elder Price

Member
That appears to be from the LG factory in China, no relation to the LG that makes TVs.
http://lgledsolutions.en.alibaba.com/product/760111376-213321803/hydroponic_growing_systems_600w_led_grow_light_with_reflector_high_yield.html
I bought one to replace a 400w CMH about a year ago. They have an actual wattage draw of 384w.
To be honest, I did not really care for that light, the CMH performed much better at close to the same wattage. The only advantage was the lower heat, which was not worth the loss in yield. I was pulling an easy 12oz from the CMH, but had a hard time pulling 4oz from the LG.
After 2 grows I switched back to the CMH.

I use these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reflector-600w-Led-Grow-Light-Growth-Flower-Switches-8Band-LED-Grow-Lamp-Panel-/150995970958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23280fab8e 2 of them will give you 1200 watts for just over $1k and they have separate veg and bloom switches... its an off brand but I have had no issues at all with it
I'd recommend Apache Tech if you can afford it.
 

ellydee

Well-Known Member
I use these http://www.ebay.com/itm/Reflector-600w-Led-Grow-Light-Growth-Flower-Switches-8Band-LED-Grow-Lamp-Panel-/150995970958?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23280fab8e 2 of them will give you 1200 watts for just over $1k and they have separate veg and bloom switches... its an off brand but I have had no issues at all with it
More of some smaller lamps would be better IMO.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4PCS-300W-LED-Grow-Lights-Bulk-Price-Flower-Veg-Spectrum-Switchable-Lamp-Panel-/160921027136?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2577a40240

Off brand is the only way to afford enough true wattage. Go Ebay or direct with the Chinese (Cidly, Eshine or Bsled)
 

jcmjrt

Well-Known Member
OK so you need something like 16ft2 x (40 or 50W/ft2) = 640 to 800 watts and we are talking real watts not theoretical. Coverage is really just about as important as watts (or maybe more important) which is where many people fail. Take the size of the fixture (whatever it is and add about 2 - 6 inches per side...so 4 to 12 inches to the length and width. For example, you seem to like the BD450 which is 16.5 x 16.5 inches. It will effectively cover (at most) about 28.5 x 28.5 inches...so lets round and say 2 ft x 2 ft or 4 square feet. I would bet my paycheck on it not giving good growth over a 3.5 x 3.5 ft2 area.

There are ways to increase the effective coverage of a fixture - use some kind of light mover or spinner. So if put on a 4 ft light mover, you could flower well over about 2 ft (width of fixture coverage) x 4 ft (length of light rail in your tent) = 8ft2.

Here are some ideas to cover your area for your budget.

1.I use Kessil H350s and a spectral spinner....I also use some fluorescent side lighting. It has worked very well...but I think that part of my success with the Kessils is due to 1) the spectral spinner which increases effective coverage as we've discussed and 2) the Kessils are primarily red/blue and the fluorescent white lighting would not only have provided extra light but also a different portion of the spectrum. I don't know how much #2 played but it probably played some. You could get four H350s and a spectral spinner from growershouse.com for your budget. Of course if buying several pieces, try to bargain. The spectral spinner will accommodate up to 6 fixtures so you can easily add more later as desired..to just add light or change spectrum...or..? I (unlike others) actually own and have used these LEDs with good results...not speaking from others posts but my own experience..and grew some incredible bud. I actually had a hash tip on one plant. Woohoo!

2. Hans makes a nice (at least from what I see of the panel and some grows) panel. If you spoke with him and got four panels (in your budget at regular price and I would ask for a discount for buying 4...can't hurt to ask), you should be able to cover your space pretty well. Each panel is 10 x 15 inches so the max effective area is about 22 x 27...so once again let us just round to 2 x 2ft or 4 ft2. With four panels you have covered the space reasonably well. Now I would still put in some fluorescent sidelighting myself as it's cheap, adds light generally and spectrum that may be missing in the panels. The panels are low wattage but the coverage is good; you can keep the panels fairly close to the plant so you can get away with lower watts than when using a more point source oriented LED fixture which needs to be kept further from the plant to attempt to give coverage. This is about as low wattage and thus long-term economical as you can go and grow good bud.
http://www.bonsaihero.com/ledgrow.html

Another manufacturer that seems to have good results from what I've seen is Area51 but they are in between lines so I don't know what they'll have in the future.

You really need to get away from thinking about a point source of light - like with HID. Unlike HID, coverage may be as important as watts with LED so multiple small fixtures and/or movement works well. If for some reason (and I don't know why), you want only one panel for your space put it on a light mover.

Oh,and the BD-450 is not 900 watts. Theoretical light doesn't grow plants. Your budget is really just adequate to cover the space. If you try to go too cheap, you will end up unhappy with the results and have wasted your money. Buy quality once and be happy as you smoke the dense, flavored buds. If you end up being unhappy with either the Kessils or the Hans Panels (I really think it's unlikely but..), they are known brands and are rather easily resold for a good percentage of what you paid.
 

Bilgerat

Member
I've been growing a few chiesels with nothing but 1 Kessil H350 Magenta through most of their growth. I've only now added a Deep Purple. They are flowering and growing well. You don't really need a spectral spinner to grow with a Kessil but you're going to get a bigger yield with more light. You could technically grow a few great plants with just 1 Kessil H350 Deep Purple.
 

*moonlight*

Member
California Light Works looks great. I would like to buy there 800W solar storm any ideas where to get one cheaper than $1500?
 

rooky1985

Active Member
Solar Storm is the best I have researched thus far, and If you do a detailed journal I believe they will sell them for half price.
 

LEDmania

Active Member
Im really interested in the Solar storm and hope someone does a journal of it...
Im just nervous forking over all that cash for just one unit. I bought a 3 light combo from an ebay seller that uses Cree lights and 1 huge light exactly like the hydrogrow.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/teslagrowlights/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1


Nice enough guy and made me a deal when I messaged him.

Good luck
Go to BysenLED directly, you will get them at half price than the ebay....
 

djwimbo

Well-Known Member
Im really interested in the Solar storm and hope someone does a journal of it...
Im just nervous forking over all that cash for just one unit. I bought a 3 light combo from an ebay seller that uses Cree lights and 1 huge light exactly like the hydrogrow.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/teslagrowlights/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1


Nice enough guy and made me a deal when I messaged him.

Good luck
I'm not buying from that guy, because his name is "teslagrowlights" ... Tesla invented INDUCTION lighting, not LED.
 

mtlhaze

Active Member
I'm not buying from that guy, because his name is "teslagrowlights" ... Tesla invented INDUCTION lighting, not LED.

hmmmm now that I think about it I bought from another seller called supercool lights. What a jackass! he thinks hes so cool! ya right! I'm way cooler then he is.

I agree djwimbo, if their name isn't perfectly suited I say we send them hate mail and expose the charlatans....
 

Overthere88

New Member
I need something that has the best spectrums, watts, footprint for under $1300 bucks. I would prefer to have one that I can use from seed to harvest with no supplemental light for flowering. I only have a 4X4 area so i'm sure that amount of money should cover it. I noticed the 800 Watt solar storm is that any good? What would give me the biggest veg and flower results? Any and all help would be great.



I would point you towards 260x. There are videos on youtube showing the light in rooms


http://www.hydroponicshut.com/pro-grow-led-grow-lights.html
 
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