Best LED for my situation?

Guccizillaa

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So my grow space is 4x4 ft, and I'm currently using a 150 watt HPS along with a couple of CFLs. I live in a warmer climate and I'm going to be upgrading to an LED for the flowering tent for my next grow. From the research I've done it looks like most of the 1500 and 2000 watt models cover a 4-5 square foot area.

I was wondering if the community had any particular brands or models to recommend from personal experience? Growing with LED is going to be brand new to me, I've always used T5s and HPS. I just want to make sure I don't get something too strong or too weak for my situation.

Also, will a 1500 watt LED put off more heat than a 150 watt HPS?
 

growingforfun

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So my grow space is 4x4 ft, and I'm currently using a 150 watt HPS along with a couple of CFLs. I live in a warmer climate and I'm going to be upgrading to an LED for the flowering tent for my next grow. From the research I've done it looks like most of the 1500 and 2000 watt models cover a 4-5 square foot area.

I was wondering if the community had any particular brands or models to recommend from personal experience? Growing with LED is going to be brand new to me, I've always used T5s and HPS. I just want to make sure I don't get something too strong or too weak for my situation.

Also, will a 1500 watt LED put off more heat than a 150 watt HPS?
A real 1500 watt fixture will produce 1500 watts worth of heat, led, hps, cmh whatever.

A bullshit fake ass amazon "2000 watt led" is going to be a paperweight and Waste of money. Viperspectra and marshydro are well known junk.
 

GBAUTO

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^^^
This is reality. ANY power you introduce into your grow space will add to the thermal load. Minimum of 600w(that's ACTUAL watts) of HID or economy leds. For optimum light levels you will need closer to 1kW to blanket that area with photons.
Address your environmental conditions or just accept the limitations.
 

Guccizillaa

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^^^
This is reality. ANY power you introduce into your grow space will add to the thermal load. Minimum of 600w(that's ACTUAL watts) of HID or economy leds. For optimum light levels you will need closer to 1kW to blanket that area with photons.
Address your environmental conditions or just accept the limitations.
Can you point me in the direction of what type of lights I should be looking at, like I said this LED light subject is completely new to me.
 

GBAUTO

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Just make sure you can regulate the temps/ventilation-it's critical to a successful grow.
For 16 sq ft of floor space, at least 480w of current tech diodes(at least 160lm/w). Using a light source that's less efficient at converting electricity into photons of light(like HPS or older 'blurple' style of diodes) will require 750w to achieve adequate light levels.
 

dandyrandy

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20190728_212831.jpg Cobs do work. 42"x42" area. 70 watts of 660nm and ~530 watts at 3k on the cobs. The heatsinks are passive cooled. They can run up to 800 watts or so. 4 separate zones or drivers that I can dim depending on the plants. Diy is the best way. imho
Excuse the hillbilly hot glue...
 
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Guccizillaa

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All of your input was fantastic, but I just ordered a 400 watt HPS :? I really wanted to get into the LEDs but like others, I'm a bit nervous about switching from what I know. It also seems like getting a good LED is a lot of money compared to upgrading to the next size up on an HID. Maybe the next time I buy new equipment I'll go with the LEDs once I know more about them, as of right now it seems like a foreign language.
 

LED Cultivation

Active Member
All of your input was fantastic, but I just ordered a 400 watt HPS :? I really wanted to get into the LEDs but like others, I'm a bit nervous about switching from what I know. It also seems like getting a good LED is a lot of money compared to upgrading to the next size up on an HID. Maybe the next time I buy new equipment I'll go with the LEDs once I know more about them, as of right now it seems like a foreign language.
We are making strong progress in translating the performance of LED arrays into an easy to understand format for any layman to observe. It seems like a foreign language, because concentrating a given area with a uniform saturation of light (Photometric Uniformity i.e. 'PPFD') is a relatively complex task, and attaining a true understanding for what type of light to saturate that area with (Spectrometry) complicates it even further.

LEDs won't seem so complicated for long, but remember, this industry is used to depending on the radiation from a singular bulb to cover a large area. That is a much more simple type of lighting system than the complex LED arrays coming out in an attempt to succeed these outdated technologies. However, new processes are being developed to measure the concentration of light in a given area, and the results from these new experiments begin to highlight the drastic difference between a single high-powered 15" x 3" sized bulb's performance versus a 42" x 42" array like our elite, with 21 separate light sources (8 Samsung Strips + 13 COBs) arranged in equidistance.

By graphing one of the metrics produced by our proprietary algorithm, |Deducted Proportional Intensity|, we are able to produce the following illustration to showcase the difference in photometric uniformity between our 842W Elite and 1000W HPS. With our 842W Elite VS. 1000W HPS both @ 22" mounting distance, our Elite held an improved Averaged Proportional Intensity Variance (APIv) of an astounding 486.27%. Ideally, the Elite would be mounted 18" or lower, so we ran the same experiment with our array at 18". We found that our uniformity was still better, but decreased to an improved APIv of 160.41%. Due to a more uniform saturation of light, it is safer to place our fixtures closer than you would a 1000W HPS, so running a test at 18" is fair, and uniformity is still far improved. The graph below is of the experiment with both fixtures at an equal mounting distance, tested in the same stable conditions using the same measurement instrument (MQ-500: Full-Spectrum Quantum Meter).


We understand this is complicated, but it is possible (and really, inevitable) that the differences between these differing technologies will become easier to understand as time and development go on. This industry is still young, and a critical sector of this industry (Lighting) is still deep in the developmental stage.

While companies develop products that can be sold at price points the community is willing to pay, I second all recommendations for a DIY COB build. The primary source of light output for all our arrays is from COBs, and I believe that is why our testers have enjoyed so much success in testing our products. I don't think you can go wrong with a properly assembled DIY COB array.
 

LED Cultivation

Active Member
Disregarding the advertisement above me....

I'm excited to get this gal under the 400w HPS! She's definitely outgrown the 150w.

Now the question is, do I use my 150w hps for my veg tent or stick to the 4 T5s? Hmmm
It's not an advertisement. We have nothing for sale. A DIY COB array, as I recommended, would outperform your choice by a great margin.

To answer your question, do not veg with your 150W HPS.
 

Guccizillaa

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get a 150w mh bulb for your 150w light for veg.

Get an air cooled hood for your 400w HPS if heat is an issue.
That removes about 1/3rd of the heat.

Keep to a 3x3 footprint
It came with the air cooled hood, I also ordered a 440 CFM inline fan along with some ducting in hopes of minimizing the heat.

It's going to be used in a 4x4 tent with a single plant pretty much going wall to wall. in the future I want to do two or three smaller plants though. Definitely going to be better than having a 150w HPS in a 4x4 though lol :bigjoint:

And good idea regarding the 150w ballast, vegging with a 150w MH should surely be better then 4 T5s. Upgrades in both tents baby!
 

MarsHydrofactory

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So my grow space is 4x4 ft, and I'm currently using a 150 watt HPS along with a couple of CFLs. I live in a warmer climate and I'm going to be upgrading to an LED for the flowering tent for my next grow. From the research I've done it looks like most of the 1500 and 2000 watt models cover a 4-5 square foot area.

I was wondering if the community had any particular brands or models to recommend from personal experience? Growing with LED is going to be brand new to me, I've always used T5s and HPS. I just want to make sure I don't get something too strong or too weak for my situation.

Also, will a 1500 watt LED put off more heat than a 150 watt HPS?

You can turn to Mars Hydro TS 3000W.O(∩_∩)O~

Here are the main features:
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1) Quantum board design with the newest SMD tech. More durable and longer lifespan.
2) The light is white color and full spectrum. More similar to sunlight.
3) 30% higher light efficiency than the purple LED. Save 30% power bill.
4) PPE is 2.15 to 2.57umol/J. The plant can grow bigger and faster.
5) Max yield up to 2.5 g/W dried buds. Cost-effective: Very affordable for indoor growers.
6) extend power cords move the driver outside easily.
7) the wattage can be adjustable by the driver.



 

Johnny Lawrence

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^ LOL

Your site says it replaces 800 watts of HID. Haven't you clowns learned that growers are tired of LED companies that lie to them about this? But hey, if I purchase two of them, I save a whopping $4 per light! Thanks guys!!

What a shit show.
 
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