Fender Super
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Same here. I was 18. Voted for McGovern. I have never voted for a republican and I'd rather be gunned down by the cops than vote for right-wing filth.
bernie sanders: regressive
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ttystikk
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37% of all single mothers in America live in poverty, 40% of single black and Hispanic moms. (NPR)
This is absolutely unacceptable. The idea that they don't need help is despicable. Everyone deserves a good start in life and dropping ask these burdens on moms- and then not offering maternity leave, let alone support for young families is just astonishingly self serving.
Our country is broken. The two major parties are too busy sucking corporate cock for dollars to be in any position to stand up for the needs of ordinary people.
THAT'S why I support the New Left. Because the status quo isn't working and isn't going to.
This is absolutely unacceptable. The idea that they don't need help is despicable. Everyone deserves a good start in life and dropping ask these burdens on moms- and then not offering maternity leave, let alone support for young families is just astonishingly self serving.
Our country is broken. The two major parties are too busy sucking corporate cock for dollars to be in any position to stand up for the needs of ordinary people.
THAT'S why I support the New Left. Because the status quo isn't working and isn't going to.
UncleBuck
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the new left? the one where bernie says it's OK to be 'flexible' on reproductive rights, which would exacerbate the very problem you started off talking about?
or how about the tom perez doctrine, wherein all democrats must support reproductive rights?
which one is it gonna be?
kelly4
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Haha, you killing me, gravelsnatch.
ttystikk
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Trust you to try to derail someone who represents the People better than any other candidate put forth by the major parties in living memory.
You're an elitist and that's the crux of our political disagreement.
I think prosperity needs to be shared by everyone. You clearly don't.
That makes you fundamentally self serving.
UncleBuck
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it was a simple question.
there is a reason why black people and women did not vote for him. his message of free college was unappealing to people who would still earn less despite the same education level. they want the systemic discrimination to end. and his message of "flexibility" on women's rights is a dead solid no.
call me an elitist all you want and continue to avoid answering simple questions. none of that will help poor ol' 97 year old bernie in the 2020 primary.
ttystikk
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The difference between rural and urban costs for food, shelter and transportation very dramatically.
My monthly payment for a 2000 sq ft house in a quiet but desirable city would be more than twice what rural dwellers pay for a mortgage.
Rural and suburban dwellers pay more for transportation because bus and train lines only go so far.
Food is cheap in farm country and can be not only far more expensive in the city, but food deserts in lower income areas can make it hard to get at all.
Let's flip the script; instead of complaining about how slackers don't work hard enough for their money, let's talk about corporate welfare; what about all those tax breaks that were supposed to lift the economy for everyone? They didn't. How about subsidies? Those distort the markets of their various industries in every way EXCEPT providing more good jobs.
Quite the opposite, in fact; these breaks allowed the rich to keep the money they made with the help of the rest of America's workers and infrastructure for themselves. The rest of the country has been suffering since this experiment in wealth extraction began in 1980 under Mr Reagan.
Income inequality hurts everyone, even the rich. It leads to a less prosperous and more desperate populace and a far less stable business climate.
Wealth inequality is even worse; the poor and middle class busted their ass to get what they have, and very often they have nothing to show for their efforts. What if I told you that the high school dropout slacker scion of a wealthy family is still far more likely to retire rich than you and I? Yeah, that's true.
So instead of bitching about poor people, let's go after those who have stolen our nation's prosperity, just so THEIR mansion can be bigger, THEIR yacht longer, THEIR exotic car more exclusive. All while driving the country that made their fortunes possible into the ground.
A pizza store's total cost picture wouldn't change much if the wage of their employees doubled; the price of their pizza would rise by about 10% to cover it. But if everyone made at least $15 an hour, how many more people would be able to afford eating out?
Finally, our economy is shredding jobs by the millions. Automation has been increasing output with fewer hands for a century, and robotics and intelligent software is poised to accelerate the process beyond our wildest dreams. Many jobs you'd think were safe are at real risk, like chefs, accountants and stock brokers. Right now, millions of jobs are being lost in retail as a result of automation... Never to return.
How to deal with that? Without customers, those good won't sell- so throwing millions out of work is counterproductive. Yet not everyone has the ability to retrain to be a high level knowledge worker, through no fault of their own. Do we just consign them to some human waste dump and call them useless?
The only sustainable answer is to enact some form of a Universal Basic Income, a direct transfer payment to people whether they work or not. Yeah. Welfare for EVERYONE.
What do y'all think of that?
My monthly payment for a 2000 sq ft house in a quiet but desirable city would be more than twice what rural dwellers pay for a mortgage.
Rural and suburban dwellers pay more for transportation because bus and train lines only go so far.
Food is cheap in farm country and can be not only far more expensive in the city, but food deserts in lower income areas can make it hard to get at all.
Let's flip the script; instead of complaining about how slackers don't work hard enough for their money, let's talk about corporate welfare; what about all those tax breaks that were supposed to lift the economy for everyone? They didn't. How about subsidies? Those distort the markets of their various industries in every way EXCEPT providing more good jobs.
Quite the opposite, in fact; these breaks allowed the rich to keep the money they made with the help of the rest of America's workers and infrastructure for themselves. The rest of the country has been suffering since this experiment in wealth extraction began in 1980 under Mr Reagan.
Income inequality hurts everyone, even the rich. It leads to a less prosperous and more desperate populace and a far less stable business climate.
Wealth inequality is even worse; the poor and middle class busted their ass to get what they have, and very often they have nothing to show for their efforts. What if I told you that the high school dropout slacker scion of a wealthy family is still far more likely to retire rich than you and I? Yeah, that's true.
So instead of bitching about poor people, let's go after those who have stolen our nation's prosperity, just so THEIR mansion can be bigger, THEIR yacht longer, THEIR exotic car more exclusive. All while driving the country that made their fortunes possible into the ground.
A pizza store's total cost picture wouldn't change much if the wage of their employees doubled; the price of their pizza would rise by about 10% to cover it. But if everyone made at least $15 an hour, how many more people would be able to afford eating out?
Finally, our economy is shredding jobs by the millions. Automation has been increasing output with fewer hands for a century, and robotics and intelligent software is poised to accelerate the process beyond our wildest dreams. Many jobs you'd think were safe are at real risk, like chefs, accountants and stock brokers. Right now, millions of jobs are being lost in retail as a result of automation... Never to return.
How to deal with that? Without customers, those good won't sell- so throwing millions out of work is counterproductive. Yet not everyone has the ability to retrain to be a high level knowledge worker, through no fault of their own. Do we just consign them to some human waste dump and call them useless?
The only sustainable answer is to enact some form of a Universal Basic Income, a direct transfer payment to people whether they work or not. Yeah. Welfare for EVERYONE.
What do y'all think of that?
UncleBuck
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you left your kid fatherless and begging and then risked doing it all over again.
Huge risk. Unbelievably Huge. No no risk you've ever seen before.
So have you stopped growing and shipping weed yet? What type of risks are you going to put your wife and new baby under? You gonna do the right thing, or just keep being selfish and greedy?
UncleBuck
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i don't ship weed you dumbass.
Yes you do.
"I recently had a scare so I called all my people ..."
What were you so scared of, Buck?
Why do you put your family at risk? How are you going to feel when Trump takes you away and you miss the birth of your first child? Will it be worth it?
ttystikk
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No one is without baggage and I think that's an attempt at compromise.
If there's another, better candidate I'll vote for them. So far there isn't and Bernie remains THE MOST POPULAR SITTING POLITICIAN IN THE COUNTRY, despite all your sniping.
You avoid simple questions all the time, Mr Pot.
-sincerely, Joe kettle
SneekyNinja
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Let's vote for the senile 147 year old man for President and then mandatory ultrasounds for everyone!
ttystikk
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It doesn't have to be Bernie and I'm not defending everything he does. I believe it was an attempt at compromise- which rightly backfired.
Be that as it may, the political pendulum is set to start swinging leftward soon, and those who resist will get run over.
SneekyNinja
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Didn't you people predict a "revolution" in the 2016 cycle?
ttystikk
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I didn't predict it. I fervently hoped for it and caucused for it.
It's an uphill battle even for 2020, but it's a worthy goal.
You gonna sit on your ass and sneer or get involved?
UncleBuck
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you caucused for an evening. i didn't bother. i knew bernie would win our state.
i called phones and knocked on doors for months to support our nominee. would have done the same for bernard. i was not sure who would win our state.
don't settle for the greater of two evils. because corporate establishment elitism.