Beat the heat(must commercial growers)

Would like to run 400w-1000w HID's Whith 90% less heat and be able put your plants whithin 6" of your lights. sound crazy. think again. Water-cooled bulb sytems are becoming more popular. and i found one that is god like.---------------------
-----------Product info--he Fresca Sol is a cutting edge top of the line water cooled fixture designed to take all the heat produced from your HPS bulb and transfer it through water to a designated cooling area.

Allowing you to have better control of your growing environment, this product is a great addition to any type of system or application where heat is a problem for one reason or another.

Finally! A water-cooled light you can depend on!

The Fresca Sol unit will eliminate 93% heat from your 250, 400, 600 or 1000 hps, and transfer it through water to a designated cooling area. This unit allows you to use your existing 1000 hps, 600 hps or 400 hps with real cool results. With low thermal emittance and less exhaust this results in a much higher CO2 concentrations.

The Design:

The Fresca Sol endplates are made from dependable aircraft aluminum, proving to withstand high temperatures. The tubes are made of durable Pyrex glass, giving our product a reliability you can count on!

The Features:

You can adjust your Fresca Sol fixture 5’’ inches from your plants rather than 18’’ to 24’’ inches! This increases the amount of light reaching your plants by nine times!

In addition you can also exchange your heat in the form of water into your designated reservoir, pool, Jacuzzi, or even an above ground kiddy pool. This gives you a heated pool year round! It is yet another way to lower electric bills and save you money, while increasing yields.

Specifications:
* 6” round 21” long and 25” long with socket
* Radiating heat is cut down by 93%
* Minimum 50-gallon reservoir per 1000-watt fixture
* Can be ran in a horizontal or vertical sequence (Not to exceed four in one line)
* Light can be put 6” from the top of your plants instead of 18” to 24” with an air-cooled system.
* This will result in 9 to 16 times more light actually hitting your plants.
* Dry weight is 9 pounds. It is 15 pounds when full of water.
* Works very well with a heat exchanger, chiller unit, or just a larger reservoir such as a pool or Jacuzzi.
* Low Thermal Emittance
* Spectrums increased by 5% to 10%

Required materials

55 gallon sealed container to keep from evaporation and dust and sediment from falling in.

633 Gallon Per Hour pump per 1000w HPS light

1/2 Black Poly Tubing

Hose Clamps

As I understand it, "Faith" is the belief in something that is unproven or unprovable. I'm glad that you have faith in this product. Perhaps you can explain these three claims taken from your post:

Realclosetgreenz said:

*With low thermal emittance and less exhaust this results in a much higher CO2 concentrations.
* Radiating heat is cut down by 93%.
* Spectrums increased by 5% to 10%.

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1. How does anything (except CO2 injection) result in a higher CO2 concentration?
2. Ambiant heat is one thing, but radiated heat is a "whole nuther animal". How does this thing "do-away" with radiated heat? 93 million miles, through the vacuum of space, can't even do that to Sunlight!
3. "Spectrums increased by 5% to 10%." - WTF does that even mean? Let alone how is it accomplished?

T.H.Cammo said:

As I understand it, "Faith" is the belief in something that is unproven or unprovable. I'm glad that you have faith in this product. Perhaps you can explain these three claims taken from your post:



1. How does anything (except CO2 injection) result in a higher CO2 concentration?
2. Ambiant heat is one thing, but radiated heat is a "whole nuther animal". How does this thing "do-away" with radiated heat? 93 million miles, through the vacuum of space, can't even do that to Sunlight!
3. "Spectrums increased by 5% to 10%." - WTF does that even mean? Let alone how is it accomplished?

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You sound like winy B*&%Hkiss-ass lol 4 real. do the math KID. Lower temps less USELESS gas exchange DER. Im not a company rep just saying they work. so unless youve personally tried this product back of my nutts.

Nice try! You may believe everything you read in some advertisement but you appearantly don't understand it, because that weak assed explaination didn't do it for me (or anyone else, I imagine).

I'd be glad to do the math, but you have to give me something to go on. " Lower temps less USELESS gas exchange DER." What's that suppossed to mean? Do you have anything relevant that would give these three dubious claims some credibility?

Just curious, how does that work for you, to call someone a whiney bitch who sees through your bullshit and calls your bluff? I'll be waiting for your explainations - the three questions remain unanswered!

they do run cool iv seen them in a grow room you can put your hands on them without burning them, but what they dont tell you is the danger they bring the grow shop by me stoped selling them because one customer who was using them had a pump fail and the water did not flow to keep it cool the water heted up and blew the jacket surrounding the light in to pices lucky he was not in the room or he would be scared for life = boiling water and glass in the face. think a 1000w light heating that water up all day! you are better off using a air cooled reflector or cool tube IMHO

9inch bigbud said:

"they do run cool"

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I'm sure they do! As a matter of fact, i'm sure they have several good points. I'm just calling bullshit on those three statements:
1. About the higher CO2 concentrations.
2. About the 93% reduction of radiant heat.
3. About the 5-10% increase of spectrum (whatever that means!).

I'm sure that water jacketed cooltubes work even better than air-cooled cooltubes, at reducing ambiant heat. Because water is about 25 times more efficient at transfering heat than air is. That's pure physics - I understand that!

Safety issues aside, the only trouble I'm having is with these three issues that fly in the face of common sense (better make that educated sense!). The only one I'm not too sure about is the 93% reduction of radiant heat , that one might be at least partially true - we'll see.

T.H.Cammo said:

I'm sure they do! As a matter of fact, i'm sure they have several good points. I'm just calling bullshit on those three statements:
1. About the higher CO2 concentrations.
2. About the 93% reduction of radiant heat.
3. About the 5-10% increase of spectrum (whatever that means!).

I'm sure that water jacketed cooltubes work even better than air-cooled cooltubes, at reducing ambiant heat. Because water is about 25 times more efficient at transfering heat than air is. That's pure physics - I understand that!

Safety issues aside, the only trouble I'm having is with these three issues that fly in the face of common sense (better make that educated sense!). The only one I'm not too sure about is the 93% reduction of radiant heat , that one might be at least partially true - we'll see.

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well im sorry your not satisfied. you can take those three little things and shove'em deep.(cause nobody cares) When In higher temps plants transpire less USEFULL gases like co2. lower temps means your plant transpires more, meaning more co2 intake.

9inch bigbud said:

they do run cool iv seen them in a grow room you can put your hands on them without burning them, but what they dont tell you is the danger they bring the grow shop by me stoped selling them because one customer who was using them had a pump fail and the water did not flow to keep it cool the water heted up and blew the jacket surrounding the light in to pices lucky he was not in the room or he would be scared for life = boiling water and glass in the face. think a 1000w light heating that water up all day! you are better off using a air cooled reflector or cool tube IMHO

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Yes this system requires Supervision and maintenance. Adding a couple water coolers helps reduce pump failure, and system life. From my exp. its worth the small headache. the yields ive gotten, not to mention the atmospheric benefits. in my line of work,Heat = THE HEAT. thanks for your reply And yes this system brings a bit of possible danger. which CAN be prevented.

T.H.Cammo said:

Safety issues aside, the only trouble I'm having is with these three issues that fly in the face of common sense (better make that educated sense!). The only one I'm not too sure about is the 93% reduction of radiant heat , that one might be at least partially true - we'll see.

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Damn man you should chill. certainly you've seen advertisements before whats with the scrutiny. Besides, those statements are pretty sensible if not slightly exaggerated.

If you use CO2, exhaust results in losing CO2. That one is so painfully obvious.
Water flows remove heat from the bulb chamber, radiant heat is converted to warm water and removed, heat is effectively removed. 93% is quite possible (1000w = ~1200F, so if it cools it to 84F thats 93%) Liquid cooling is much more effective, so its certainly capable of being that effective, but that might be a slight exaggeration dependent on the flow quantity.

I thought that these actually made you lose a lot of the lumens from the bulb. You know, you lose like 5% just using glass, the amount with glass then water then more glass must really be bad.

you would almost have to lose lumen's.how much is yet to prove.

matman4444 said:

I thought that these actually made you lose a lot of the lumens from the bulb. You know, you lose like 5% just using glass, the amount with glass then water then more glass must really be bad.

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Surprisingly not, the flux is not affected that much. keeping the cooling media(water) cool and clean helps this as well.

Realclosetgreenz said:

When In higher temps plants transpire less USEFULL gases like co2. lower temps means your plant transpires more, meaning more co2 intake.

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youve actually got this backwards. why do we increase our temps when we co2 enrich then?

this guy is an 'assclown'. good call T.H. Cammo. He doesnt make any sense at all, often quite contradictory. +rep

smokeybandit22 said:

this guy is an 'assclown'. good call T.H. Cammo. He doesnt make any sense at all, often quite contradictory. +rep

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You both can suck me easy, sound like kidds. so im gonna make it simply. Increase temps to co2 enrich OK but to what point ASSCLOWN, reaching 80-90F. plants transpire rapidly but if it gets TOO hot they do the opposite. putting out co2 and taking in oxygen. killing the plant. you can say what you want KIDDS, but those who always wanna nay say usaully gets the piss beat ut of them.lol.. oh yeah,dont forget to swallow!

Realclosetgreenz said:

You both can suck me easy, sound like kidds. so im gonna make it simply. Increase temps to co2 enrich OK but to what point ASSCLOWN, reaching 80-90F. plants transpire rapidly but if it gets TOO hot they do the opposite. putting out co2 and taking in oxygen. killing the plant. you can say what you want KIDDS, but those who always wanna nay say usaully gets the piss beat ut of them.lol.. oh yeah,dont forget to swallow!

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lol. when you pass 2nd grade english we will take you more seriously. who the hell even knows what in the hell you are trying to say.

and way to Pm me that I am a reject and am gonna get pissed on. How old r u? 12?
jerkoff assclown. plain and simple.

Realclosetgreenz said:

Yes this system requires Supervision and maintenance. Adding a couple water coolers helps reduce pump failure, and system life. From my exp. its worth the small headache. the yields ive gotten, not to mention the atmospheric benefits. in my line of work,Heat = THE HEAT. thanks for your reply And yes this system brings a bit of possible danger. which CAN be prevented.

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OK so lets see your amazing harvest with this shite in action.
Pictures or it diddn't happen.

how did my post dissapear??? i had a post in here saying something about this poon-pickle having a "must see for commercial growers" thread with a name like realclosetgreenz and has a mongaloid retard for his avatar.


and its just not possible for a water cooled light to provide more of anything compared to a air cooled hood. in a air cooled rig the light passes through a single pane of glass, in a h2o cooled rig it passes throught 2 layers of glass AND water.

SlikWiLL13 said:

youve actually got this backwards. why do we increase our temps when we co2 enrich then?

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that's what i was thinking...

and lets not forget about light refraction with the water....