greenkrakzak
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BAG!!! you get BUD with it when you buy the SEEDS lol
Bag Seed VS Bought Seed
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mcgyversmoke
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good luck man i got 3 bag seed started along with 8 attitude seeds of diff breeders! cant wait to see if the bag seed comes out as bomb as the brand name seeds
Brick Top
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The professional genetics versus bagseed discussion pops up very often, though I do not know why. If someone thinks things through the answer is to the question is simple.
Bagseed, either from pot that was grown seedy or from sensi that just happened to have a seed or five in it is not grown for viable seeds, it is grown to be smoked where as plants grown to make seeds are grown to make viable seeds and not to be smoked. There is less of a chance of having viable or at least not fully viable seeds from bagseed. If from seedy pot the question of viability and plant vigor exists. If from sensi then the seeds are from a hermi and they will carry the hermi trait along with the question of viability and plant vigor.
With breeder genetics you can easily find out important information, as in is it a light or a heavy feeder, is it nute sensitive, How tall does it tend to grow, how much does it tend to stretch in flower, is it a strain that responds well to topping or some sort of training method or not, how long the general flowering period is.
Some people say bagseed is cheaper. Well I guess that depends on how much someone paid for the bag of herb the seed or seeds would be found in. If someone pays $300.00 or $400.00 for an ounce and finds a half dozen seeds, that will be due to a hermi and they will carry the hermi trait, then they paid $300.00 to $400.00 for a half dozen seeds. If they paid $75.00 for a smaller quantity they still ended up paying $75.00 for the seeds. For those kind of prices you can purchase some pretty respectable professional genetics.
If someone purchases lower priced seedy pot it is a sure bet it is not top genetics to begin with and while you might grow it better than whoever grew the pot the seeds came from and it turn out to be slightly better nothing that anyone can do will be enough to make it better than it's genetic limitations will allow, so at best it will still not be top genetics and it might be low grade. If someone finds a few seeds in a high priced bag then, again, they are bound to have come from a hermi so they will be prone to turning too. They might not and you might end up with something pretty decent, but if it was a high priced bag what the person actually paid for the small number of hermi seeds is not at all a value when the same kind of money, or way less depending on how large of a bag was purchased, could purchase them top grade genetics without a sure hermi trait in them.
The only real question of which might be a better value would be if top notch genetics from the few truly skilled breeders were eliminated from the question. I am sure some bagseed is of course every bit the equal of what the low-line Wal-Mart-grade genetics breeders sell because it either came from that sort of grade of genetics to begin with or is the product of a higher line genetic strain that turned hermi.
But regardless of what the bagseed lovers will ever be able to think up to say to attempt to justify and validate using bagseed there is no logical or rational way to justify and validate the claim that any bagseed will ever be equal to true top quality genetics from any of the few truly skilled breeders.
Bagseed, either from pot that was grown seedy or from sensi that just happened to have a seed or five in it is not grown for viable seeds, it is grown to be smoked where as plants grown to make seeds are grown to make viable seeds and not to be smoked. There is less of a chance of having viable or at least not fully viable seeds from bagseed. If from seedy pot the question of viability and plant vigor exists. If from sensi then the seeds are from a hermi and they will carry the hermi trait along with the question of viability and plant vigor.
With breeder genetics you can easily find out important information, as in is it a light or a heavy feeder, is it nute sensitive, How tall does it tend to grow, how much does it tend to stretch in flower, is it a strain that responds well to topping or some sort of training method or not, how long the general flowering period is.
Some people say bagseed is cheaper. Well I guess that depends on how much someone paid for the bag of herb the seed or seeds would be found in. If someone pays $300.00 or $400.00 for an ounce and finds a half dozen seeds, that will be due to a hermi and they will carry the hermi trait, then they paid $300.00 to $400.00 for a half dozen seeds. If they paid $75.00 for a smaller quantity they still ended up paying $75.00 for the seeds. For those kind of prices you can purchase some pretty respectable professional genetics.
If someone purchases lower priced seedy pot it is a sure bet it is not top genetics to begin with and while you might grow it better than whoever grew the pot the seeds came from and it turn out to be slightly better nothing that anyone can do will be enough to make it better than it's genetic limitations will allow, so at best it will still not be top genetics and it might be low grade. If someone finds a few seeds in a high priced bag then, again, they are bound to have come from a hermi so they will be prone to turning too. They might not and you might end up with something pretty decent, but if it was a high priced bag what the person actually paid for the small number of hermi seeds is not at all a value when the same kind of money, or way less depending on how large of a bag was purchased, could purchase them top grade genetics without a sure hermi trait in them.
The only real question of which might be a better value would be if top notch genetics from the few truly skilled breeders were eliminated from the question. I am sure some bagseed is of course every bit the equal of what the low-line Wal-Mart-grade genetics breeders sell because it either came from that sort of grade of genetics to begin with or is the product of a higher line genetic strain that turned hermi.
But regardless of what the bagseed lovers will ever be able to think up to say to attempt to justify and validate using bagseed there is no logical or rational way to justify and validate the claim that any bagseed will ever be equal to true top quality genetics from any of the few truly skilled breeders.
ÅǾÄÒ Å¦Ä§â¬ ÄÄÄÄ
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in all honesty man i have had much better luck with bagseed the breeder seeds femanized to be specific have a tendancy to hermi way more often then bagseed one of my healthiest mothers is from bag seed and i have a much higher failure rate with bought seeds then bag seed 3 of the bought seeds didnt even crack where as both my bag seeds cracked fast so far its looking like bag seed is better
dababydroman
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im a bagseed supporter.
Brick Top
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If things were the same now as back when if someone wanted to grow the only option was bagseed from pure landrace strains I might agree with you. Actually in part I still somewhat agree with what you said in that feminized seeds are more prone to hermi than regular seeds, but that does not make bagseed an overall better option. The best option is regular seeds from the few top line breeders and avoid all the mid-grade and low-grade breeders lines and avoid feminized seeds.ŖǾČҚ Ŧħ€ ĐĒĄĐ;5206927 said:
If you want to make it more of an apples to apples comparison, well, bagseed is not feminized so it should not be compared to feminized seeds and once you eliminate feminized seeds and seeds from pollen chuckers that do not deserve to be considered to be professional breeders what genetics are left will always be superior to bagseed when compared overall, in every way, about every aspect of the two options.
It is only an opinion, or maybe just a feeling of mine, but I cannot help but believe that in almost every case, if not every case, of where someone says bagseed is the better option they have never grown using regular seeds from the genetics of a true high end top notch breeder.
If they had ever done so unless they totally screwed up the grow, unless they totally blew it, there is no way they could ever believe bagseed to be a better option.
tyke1973
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This is a tricky one because some weed bought, that is realy good that has a few seeds in it could throw a real gem.But it could also throw a load of hermi's,just because the weed was top draw stuff will not mean the seeds will be the same.Alot need to be known before i would risk doing them, to be honest becuase the weed that had the seeds in,might have been grown from a femanised seed and may have been forced into produceing seeds through stress related growing.whitch inturn could be carry over to the next set the seeds one,the only true way of getting to the bottom of if the seeds are good or not is to do them but you will have to sex them,by buying femanised or regular seeds you are takeing away all the risk of if its gonna be bad or good hermi or not.The genetics are given so you know where the plant comes from and if you stick to a good breeder there are loads out there now then i would go with bought seeds any day.What it is most countrys it is illegal to grow so you realy dont want to risking it for crap buy good seeds and make every grow count,rather than skimp on spending that bit extra and getting good genetics.......................tyke.................................................
Jefferstone
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I have to disagree with you on one point brick top. People don't pay $300-$400 for half a dozen seeds. They pay $300-$400 for an oz of pot. The seeds are free.
HeshWantsCandy
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well hang on ive got 3 bagseeds already growing and now you got me scared they're going to all be hermi's....is this really true??
dababydroman
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no its not true.
Brick Top
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If that is how you want to look at it that's cool and the gang with me but had they not spent the $300 to $400 they would not have the seeds, would they?
You may see them as being an extra benefit, an added bonus, a freebie that came with the pot, if you like bagseed, but the if they use them to grow, regardless of if they smoked the herb, in the end they still paid $300 to $400 for the seeds they then grew.
No matter how you want to look at it they paid $300 to $400 for the seeds they got. Sure they got more with it, meaning the herb, but they still paid that amount to end up with the seeds they later would grow.
Plus in pot in that price range you know it was supposed to be sensi and if it had some seeds in it then the chances are almost 100% it was due to a hermie and that means a higher percentage chance of getting hermies from the seeds meaning even if they were free, as you like to see it, then they really aren't seeds that most people who are experienced growers who only want the best would ever want to grow.
They would figure why take the time, put out the effort, spend the money on ferts and electricity all to grow mystery genetics and have to deal with an unknown quantity that you cannot find out any growing information on, accept the same legal risks as any grower all to have a fairly good chance of ending up with hermies when instead they could grow something without any of the unknowns and far less chance of ending up with hermies and having spent less money for seeds.
If you really think about it almost nothing at all in life is actually free. People get all excited about the free seeds that some seedbanks 'give' customers but you have to know that the price of those seeds is built into/added to the price of the seeds the people purchase. A seedbank may only tack on the price they pay for the seeds plus maybe 5% or 10% per seed, and maybe it is much more, but the price of the 'free' seeds is built into the 'regular price' of the seeds they sell. By 'giving free seeds' what they are really doing is making you purchase more seeds by saying if you spend '$X' amount you get this or these with your order, but they are only letting you have them at a reduced price, not for free.
But by all means believe whatever it is you need to believe to be happy about and feel satisfied with your 'free seeds' from whatever source they come from.
Brick Top
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If they came from seedy pot, pot not grown as sensi, then the odds are fairly slim they will hermie, but if they came from sensi then the odds are much greater because they would have likely come from a hermie and that trait is passed on in the seeds. It is not a 100% chance they will turn, but it is not at all low percentage chance either. The odds are more likely they will turn than that they won't.
Jefferstone
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It's not what makes me happy, it's what makes sense. Look the average person doesn't go out and say..."hey I need some seeds, let me plonk down $300, trash the weed and keep the seeds" It's if they find the seeds in their bag, they decide to try to grow them. That's all. If you wish to stick to your original point, fine. Let's not get bogged down in one aspect of an otherwise informative post.
Only on rare occassions do I grow bag seed. I buy my seeds because I want to know what I'm growing just like you said.
And of course, I agree nothing in life is free. If the seedbanks were losing money giving away seeds, they wouldn't do it. How much do 5 free seeds cost them anyway? I betcha it's pretty close to free to them too.Party on----
Only on rare occassions do I grow bag seed. I buy my seeds because I want to know what I'm growing just like you said.
And of course, I agree nothing in life is free. If the seedbanks were losing money giving away seeds, they wouldn't do it. How much do 5 free seeds cost them anyway? I betcha it's pretty close to free to them too.Party on----
Brick Top
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I never said anyone would; "trash the weed" and only want the seeds, but if they grow the seeds, no matter what else they got for their money, they still paid whatever amount they paid to get the seeds they grew. Plus as I have repeatedly said, if the bag was high dollar weed and supposed to be sensi then the seeds almost certainly came from a hermie and that means they will carry the hermie trait and be far more apt to turn when grown. With the hernie trait in them almost any stress can be enough to make them turn.
Even if you want to consider them as being free it would be like if when you went grocery shopping with every gallon of milk you purchased they gave you a second one that was past the expiration date. The free gallon might still be good and it might not be any good, but what sort of a value is it when something free is highly questionable as being worth anything and might be pure garbage?
I am not a big fan of a fair number of breeders, and the gear some sell I would not bother to grow even if it were actually free, and I think some breeders that are seen by many as being high quality because they have won a Cup or two fall more into the category of how even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and again. But I have grown for enough decades now to know that high quality regular seeds from a truly professional breeder will beat any bagseed every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
ÅǾÄÒ Å¦Ä§â¬ ÄÄÄÄ
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no lol iv never had one bag seed go hermi on its own and iv done ALOT of bagseed right now i have over 300 from a bag of shwag ( freind grew it) and i grew a few and they all came out 100% male or female no hermis the hermi by genetics is bs simply theres no male genetics in hermi seeds lol what happens is if it comes from a hermi then usally half are hermi and half are normal male and female seeds
ÅǾÄÒ Å¦Ä§â¬ ÄÄÄÄ
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Daily Update : well im now about 99% sure that all plants are indica dominate
the to bag seeds are growing the best still god buds trailing behind everything at about half the size of everything else really dissapointed they all are indica dominated ( sativa fan) but its prolly better for this
all plants will be judged by growth / flowering time / potency (THC content) and the high effect and length
the to bag seeds are growing the best still god buds trailing behind everything at about half the size of everything else really dissapointed they all are indica dominated ( sativa fan) but its prolly better for this
all plants will be judged by growth / flowering time / potency (THC content) and the high effect and length
Nullis
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If your 'friend who grew it' allowed an actual female to become pollinated by an actual male (or it happened less intentionally) then you get your normal split 50/50. This is more likely the case for schwag grown in Mexico or other places outdoors where seeds are sown (or growing wild) but the males/females allowed to grow together.
That isn't 'sensi', or cannabis which was intended to be seedless because an effort was made to abolish all males. Often, even further efforts are taken (indoors) to prevent foreign pollen from entering by other means (filtering intake, HEPA filters, microbicidal UV-C, etc.) so the chances that seeds were pollinated by an actual male are much less, as has been pointed out.
Furthermore, the cannabis that you buy on the street/from your friends most likely wasn't grown for seed (no artificial selection); it wasn't even grown for being really high grade cannabis: it was grown as fast and for as much $$ as possible.
Even still, some 'breeders' make their seeds as quick and hyped up as possible...for $$. But there certainly are good breeders out there working to produce vigorous, potent and consistent/desirable genetics available in regular seed form.
Where'd you get your Sour Kush/God Bud seeds from?
That isn't 'sensi', or cannabis which was intended to be seedless because an effort was made to abolish all males. Often, even further efforts are taken (indoors) to prevent foreign pollen from entering by other means (filtering intake, HEPA filters, microbicidal UV-C, etc.) so the chances that seeds were pollinated by an actual male are much less, as has been pointed out.
Furthermore, the cannabis that you buy on the street/from your friends most likely wasn't grown for seed (no artificial selection); it wasn't even grown for being really high grade cannabis: it was grown as fast and for as much $$ as possible.
Even still, some 'breeders' make their seeds as quick and hyped up as possible...for $$. But there certainly are good breeders out there working to produce vigorous, potent and consistent/desirable genetics available in regular seed form.
Where'd you get your Sour Kush/God Bud seeds from?
ÅǾÄÒ Å¦Ä§â¬ ÄÄÄÄ
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it was an he didnt know to remove males accident
i bought from http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/products/reserva-privada-sour-kush its the only place i order seeds anymore because they do single seed so i can pick my own i like to expermint with cannabis so its perfectfor me 
ÅǾÄÒ Å¦Ä§â¬ ÄÄÄÄ
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ok picture day agian lol early but what the hell i want this to be a great grow and i want to know what is the best
bluntly hell
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Hey, im growing some bag seed myself. I got 3 plants, All of them turned out to be female. I don't think bag seed is a bad thing, i have seen some wild looking plants come from bag seed. Still, i would suggest buying some good genetics, but if your strapped for cash, screw it! Just don't dump alot of resources into it haha. Bag seeds great for experiments!