Bad Caregiver???

cwoodpmp

cwoodpmp

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I recently got my mmj card and the clinic that I got approved at gave me a recomendation for a caregiver. I have attempted to get a hold of him for the last three days and can not even get a call back from him. I was just wondering if this is normal here in az or should I look for a new caregiver??
 
cacamal

cacamal

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3 days isnt crazy blow off but if you are in need of meds i would look further!! good luck on finding someone who is more careful with their patients!
 
TogTokes

TogTokes

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Keep looking man, he must be out. Which means he isn't a good Caregiver. They should always have something for the people who need it, and rely on them to give it to them.. nuff said.
 
plantmagic

plantmagic

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If he is out he should still call you back. I don't think running out is a sign of a bad caregivers. When they take you on as a patient it takes time to get your plants into the count. Figure 3 months until your allotment is even going into flower. Also figure on only having 3 plants per month depending on how long the strain takes to flower. I would give them some time to see what they can do for you, however 3 days without a call back would drive me crazy I expect people to return calls within a reasonable time frame. I am part of a group of caregivers that is starting up if you still have problems shoot me a PM.
 
AZKING

AZKING

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Call me lol ... Right now patients are grabbing it up sooo fast its crazy so be patient and look for a less busy caregiver .. I have been having to refer people elsewhere
 
plantmagic

plantmagic

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Caregivers are having to be more selective. Many caregivers want to supply their patients meds at a very fair price and are in turn being taken advantage of. Some patients are saying to themselves that I can buy a few oz from my caregiver, sell half of it and make some money and basically get my meds for free. Then they keep wanting more and more meds and the caregivers run out. How many oz can one person smoke in a two week period? I work in the medical field and it is the same thing some patients do with their oxycontin, sell half the pills they got for pennies from AHCCCS and come back demanding more because their pain was excessive and they ran out. Some people will always try to abuse the system.
 
plantmagic

plantmagic

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Thanks, working in healthcare this is something I see everyday at work and drives me crazy because of the strain it puts on the system.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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It really doesn't help that the scene is filled with 'compassion clubs' asking for $20-$30 donation for one gram? nothing compassionate about that! I am a patient and a caregiver and I find it quite disgusting at how the clubs are treating people. My patient has seizures and that requires more than an 1/8th per week That's why they should get rid of the 25 mile rule IMO.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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We could call on our state legislature to amend AMMA to abolish the 25 mile rule, that would be a way to do it minus another voter initiative. How do we do that? Start a petition and deliver it to the state house and state senate. Another way is if the feds decide that dispensaries are bad and medical marijuana is ok. That would effectively strip dispensary provisions from AMMA. I would opt for the first option.
 
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irieie

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MurshDawg said:
We could call on our state legislature to amend AMMA to abolish the 25 mile rule, that would be a way to do it minus another voter initiative. How do we do that? Start a petition and deliver it to the state house and state senate. Another way is if the feds decide that dispensaries are bad and medical marijuana is ok. That would effectively strip dispensary provisions from AMMA. I would opt for the first option.
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the feds have already come out with a statement last weeks which basically dismisses the suit brought by jan brewer and tom horne.
how would a petition work? is it legally binding to our state legislators? there is already quite some financial influence which wants dispensaries and wants the 25 mile rule. someone wants to create a monopolized industry and they are one of the main reasons why AMMA was passed in the first place. us voters may want the rule stricken but we are not funding any reelection campaigns.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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Someone who is fluent in legalese needs to draft a petition calling attention to how much money it costs to cultivate according to AMMA. How unconstituional the 25 mile rule is. How bad it is to have only one option for patients to obtain their medical marijuana. How it will create a monopoly off the backs of AZ most economically vulnerable population. It makes good legislative sense to abolish the 25 mile rule not to mention it fits in well with the nonprofit spirit of the law. If we get enough signatures and present it to the state senate or state house then they wil be more compelled to listen to us then if we act like a bunch of paranoid, jaded , potheads about our local politics.
 
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irieie

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you must think from the perspective of the law makers. an approach which uses different reasoning which may be more alined with popular opinions of the electorate. to do this wqe must identify their concerns about the issue and exploit them in order to get our agenda passed. if we vilify the mmj industry in california and make it seem like the dispensaries are a menace and utilize the innate fear which most voters have for marijuana, we could trick people into voting to repeal the 25 mile rule. sell it like "keep these drug dealing storefronts out of our community." bullshit like that. fear mobilizes voters much better than anything else. there is nothing better than having your opposition vote for your initiative even though it goes against their own interest.
 
YThor

YThor

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If my understanding is correct (it may not be), it's almost impossible to change something once it's been passed as a proposition in Arizona. The law got changed a few years back because Arizonans got pissed about passing propositions, only to have them neutered or disassembled by the state legislature. So, they required a 2/3rds supermajority or something like that. I was told the details a few years back by a GOP'er whose premise was that one should never vote in favor of a ballot proposition, because repealing or changing them was so difficult.

After all, if the 25 mile rule could be modified, then so could the underlying tenet of prop 203 (state-level legalization of marijuana); and if that were the case, I'm pretty sure Brewer at al. would be at it by now.
 
plantmagic

plantmagic

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if it is found to be illegal that part of the proposition can be removed, we could vote in a proposition that allows us to shoot those that drive slow in the fast lane but it would not be implemented because it violates the rights of others. The 25mile rule is against the 14th amendment and therefore it should be removed from the law. Those that grow their own medication due not pose any risk to the rights of their neighbors and must be provided the same protection against prosecution as those that live greater than 25 miles from a dispensary.
 
MurshDawg

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Hear here, plantmagic! I think the 14th amendment is an awesome reason to repeal the 25 mile rule. One thing I think irie forgot to bring up is the intense interest that the federal government has with dispensaries operating as not for profit but projecting millions of dollars per year in revenue. How I read the fed memo is that though it's okay for sick people to use marijuana to alleviate their symptoms; the feds do not agree with the mass industrial farming of medical marijuana under the guise of 'not for profit' and rightfully so, IMO. the way the DOJ wrote their last memo leads me and others to believe that they don't care about sick people growing a few 'pot plants' they are worried about these business types making millions of untaxed revenue by cultivating thosands of plants that are still against federal law. Let's hope the feds will do the right thing or at least do it to spite AZ's sb1070 bill, lol
 
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irieie

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MurshDawg said:
Hear here, plantmagic! I think the 14th amendment is an awesome reason to repeal the 25 mile rule. One thing I think irie forgot to bring up is the intense interest that the federal government has with dispensaries operating as not for profit but projecting millions of dollars per year in revenue. How I read the fed memo is that though it's okay for sick people to use marijuana to alleviate their symptoms; the feds do not agree with the mass industrial farming of medical marijuana under the guise of 'not for profit' and rightfully so, IMO. the way the DOJ wrote their last memo leads me and others to believe that they don't care about sick people growing a few 'pot plants' they are worried about these business types making millions of untaxed revenue by cultivating thosands of plants that are still against federal law. Let's hope the feds will do the right thing or at least do it to spite AZ's sb1070 bill, lol
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in my opinion i think it is more feasible and legally binding if the repeal of the 25 mile rule or a banning of dispensaries comes as an amendment to state law rather than a judgment from a federal level. there are other state programs with not for profit and for profit (colorado) run dispensaries and the feds primarily do not bother most of these dispensaries. this sets a precedent showing that there can be an implementation of a dispensary system which is not pursued by the USDOJ. the decision to let dispensaries operate has primarily been a states rights issue and i dont see the federal government interfering, so long as the states do not grossly over reach their boundaries. also being such a self proclaimed states rights state, Arizona should be able to take care of this issue on its own. we need a voter initiative which amends the 25 mile rule. this is the method which has the highest probability of attaining the end goal. i may be wrong about this and i am open to discussion and different possibilities.
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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irieie said:
in my opinion i think it is more feasible and legally binding if the repeal of the 25 mile rule or a banning of dispensaries comes as an amendment to state law rather than a judgment from a federal level. there are other state programs with not for profit and for profit (colorado) run dispensaries and the feds primarily do not bother most of these dispensaries. this sets a precedent showing that there can be an implementation of a dispensary system which is not pursued by the USDOJ. the decision to let dispensaries operate has primarily been a states rights issue and i dont see the federal government interfering, so long as the states do not grossly over reach their boundaries. also being such a self proclaimed states rights state, Arizona should be able to take care of this issue on its own. we need a voter initiative which amends the 25 mile rule. this is the method which has the highest probability of attaining the end goal. i may be wrong about this and i am open to discussion and different possibilities.
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what should the findings be based on in the petition? violation of 14th amendment rights (equal protection) or a separate ballot initiative? Maybe we should all go to NORML meetings now and stand on a soapbox until we get the attention this deserves? I am totally about fixing this law so that sick people like me don't have to make a choice between paying bills or feeling like a human being. I think we all have lots of writing and networking to do if we are all serious about this. If we want to make a difference we need to start working because it is apparent that those who can rep the weak will not. so, we as the weak must rep ourselves
 
MurshDawg

MurshDawg

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MurshDawg said:
what should the findings be based on in the petition? violation of 14th amendment rights (equal protection) or a separate ballot initiative? Maybe we should all go to NORML meetings now and stand on a soapbox until we get the attention this deserves? I am totally about fixing this law so that sick people like me don't have to make a choice between paying bills or feeling like a human being. I think we all have lots of writing and networking to do if we are all serious about this. If we want to make a difference we need to start working because it is apparent that those who can rep the weak will not. so, we as the weak must rep ourselves
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btw her's the Michigan case http://www.petoskeynews.com/news/pnr-mich-court-bars-sale-of-medical-marijuana-20110824,0,2072963.story the michigan court banned dispensaries because it violates the state public health code.
 
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