auto vs feminized

justugh · Dec 6, 2013

racerboy71 said:
I for one would like to see some pix.of a half pound auto..

and.to the op, I veg my photo plants till I see one of.two things, if not both.. first.if alternating nodes, the second is preflowrers.. both are signs of sexual maturation, and tells me the plant is ready to be flowered..

i will post u pics before i trim her down and ones of the jars (each jar is one oz)
1 is biodiesel day 11 into budding .......88 cms tall
2 is closer pick
3 is the berry diesel 11 days ......85 cms tall
4 is blue mammoth first hydro try i am excepting 4 oz off it maybe more with the number of sites opening and the sheer size of her

MadDog607 · Dec 7, 2013

justugh said:
first timer

soil air bags.............u can not over water it since it drains /if do mess up it can be flushed fast and easy

hydro and all those others require more outward exps to start up ..........soil in a air bag u can get it up and going for 200 bucks or less with a t5 set up (if likes it and can do it well then invest in the hydro and all those good things with profit money )

i started up 7 months ago with 600 bucks i only grow autos since they are a fast turn around ................right now i have the best shit in the area few several other ppl telling me so anything i make is gone with in 24 hours of jaring it up

I'm going to build a DWC from scratch. Shouldn't cost me too much. 5 gallon bucket, net pot lid, air stone, hose, air pump, medium, nutrients. Do you need a seperate t5 for grow and bloom?

alienbilly · Dec 7, 2013

amgprb said:
Dude, really??? I think you should hold off on growing ANYTHING, and do alot more research.

dude that was rude as hell..people come on here to learn and there is dicks like you that stop people coming to these forums?

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

MadDog607 said:
I'm going to build a DWC from scratch. Shouldn't cost me too much. 5 gallon bucket, net pot lid, air stone, hose, air pump, medium, nutrients. Do you need a seperate t5 for grow and bloom?

here is what u need a
black bucket................it has to be black the roots do not like light (u can spray paint the outside but u need to seal it so does not flake off)
air line hose (go black or blue)
10 inch netbasket lid
10 liters of hydrostones (20 bucks cheapest with decent amount)
a strong air pump .............if u are in warm u need 1 7.8 litter air pump that will keep the plant healthy even if the water is warm ...........cold water holds desolved oxygen better then warm water if the water is warm u need to increase the amount of air passing tho the system to adjust for the warm water
a micro pore stone (smaller bubbles)
a digital ph meter......calabation solution.....ph up......ph down (get a digital with the feed in the water the droplet test does not work)
the pipettes 1ml and 3 mls

if u are going to do like u see them selling u need a pex elbow(this is the elbow the rubber seal rings and locking nut inside) and some blue tube that u can mark for the lvl of the water

i told u the 10 inch basket sinnce they sit lower and use less water this will decrease the amount of feed u put in (saving u some money).........u will use about 3 gallons to 3 and half gallons and the 6 inch pot is a 4 gallon system

the t5 system no ........u need to buy one fixture (i would tell u a 4 foot one not the 2 foot ones) ..............for growing u want 5000k lights (this is blue in color) and when it is time to flower u change the bulb out and put in a 2700k (flowering and it is more of a red/yellow light)

the t5 4foot sets have 5 choices of light
2700.................this is flowering
4000.................this is what they call super growth
5000.................this is normal growth
10000...............this is called a finisher light
10000 +uva.........this is a finisher light that has uva in it to help make it more sticky/resin

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

justugh said:
here is what u need a
black bucket................it has to be black the roots do not like light (u can spray paint the outside but u need to seal it so does not flake off)
air line hose (go black or blue)
10 inch netbasket lid
10 liters of hydrostones (20 bucks cheapest with decent amount)
a strong air pump .............if u are in warm u need 1 7.8 litter air pump that will keep the plant healthy even if the water is warm ...........cold water holds desolved oxygen better then warm water if the water is warm u need to increase the amount of air passing tho the system to adjust for the warm water
a micro pore stone (smaller bubbles)
a digital ph meter......calabation solution.....ph up......ph down (get a digital with the feed in the water the droplet test does not work)
the pipettes 1ml and 3 mls

if u are going to do like u see them selling u need a pex elbow(this is the elbow the rubber seal rings and locking nut inside) and some blue tube that u can mark for the lvl of the water

i told u the 10 inch basket sinnce they sit lower and use less water this will decrease the amount of feed u put in (saving u some money).........u will use about 3 gallons to 3 and half gallons and the 6 inch pot is a 4 gallon system

the t5 system no ........u need to buy one fixture (i would tell u a 4 foot one not the 2 foot ones) ..............for growing u want 5000k lights (this is blue in color) and when it is time to flower u change the bulb out and put in a 2700k (flowering and it is more of a red/yellow light)

the t5 4foot sets have 5 choices of light
2700.................this is flowering
4000.................this is what they call super growth
5000.................this is normal growth
10000...............this is called a finisher light
10000 +uva.........this is a finisher light that has uva in it to help make it more sticky/resin

I did not read past black bucket. That is the last thing you want.

OK, I read a little further. How is being able to put less water in your red going to save you money on nutes? It simply means youlll have to refill it more often. A plant will drink the water and use the mutes it needs regardless of ent pot size.

And the droplette test does not work? The pH of a solution is the oh of a solution, are you seriously trying to tell people that a litmuss test is scientifically invalid? Jesus Christ man!

Please do not advise people if its going to be so innacurate.

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

tip top toker said:
I did not read past black bucket. That is the last thing you want.

OK, I read a little further. How is being able to put less water in your red going to save you money on nutes? It simply means youlll have to refill it more often. A plant will drink the water and use the mutes it needs regardless of ent pot size.

And the droplette test does not work? The pH of a solution is the oh of a solution, are you seriously trying to tell people that a litmuss test is scientifically invalid? Jesus Christ man!

Please do not advise people if its going to be so innacurate.

the way i been doing it .....................the 4 gallon system with recirculation feed in the singal bucket ..................add water when it uses it check the ph adjust as needed......middle of the week i add in 1 gallon of feed with the water (day 4) and in 3 more days i go empty it out and move to the next stage of plan

if he copied this in the end of the week he would use 4 gallons of feed instead of 5 gallons ...............this saves him 1 gallon of feed a week by just using the 10 inch basket instead of the 6 inch basket

the attached pics are of mine plant first dwc ..........seed is blue mammoth from barney's farms the plant is bigger then the ones i have in 5 gallon soil bags and those are 14 days older

how can u see the water turn color with the feed already in the water (the water is redish black) the droplet test works on plain water fine .......but in water with a feed u are guessing at best

anything i tell ppl is to help them i done all kinds of tests ... trail and errors .........i tell ppl what i learned to save them trouble i had .............and i have the balls to back what i say if i tell someone wrong and they fallow it plant does bad or dies i will send them a gallon of shine and 200 bucks

so unless u spent as much time as me tring and running tho things shut up ..............all my stuff is correct if u do not think it is try it for self prove me wrong

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

tip top toker said:
That whole changing the timer routine sure is complicated.

tip top toker said:
I consider every single one of those irrelevant to the ease if growing a plant. The first 2 are just additional steps take making it more ciomplicated, but are not requirements to growing, cloning has nothing to do with growing a plant, and i actually see more questions about autolighting than insee questions asking how many hours for flowering a photo.

Sorry, but I cannot agree with your post. Its just yet another myth to sell autos. I see no use for autos other than for outdoor or as an extra flowering plant kept in your veg room.

tip top toker said:
And yet i'm not seeing a single piece of valid reasoning as to why.

tip top toker said:
I did not read past black bucket. That is the last thing you want.

OK, I read a little further. How is being able to put less water in your red going to save you money on nutes? It simply means youlll have to refill it more often. A plant will drink the water and use the mutes it needs regardless of ent pot size.

And the droplette test does not work? The pH of a solution is the oh of a solution, are you seriously trying to tell people that a litmuss test is scientifically invalid? Jesus Christ man!

Please do not advise people if its going to be so innacurate.

that is everything u have said in this post .................i do not see one peice of advice or help in any of your comments ............infact that first one is little insulting
so u have no value as person here u rather make fun and say what is in your head then pass advice and help off to others

if this does not shut u up then damn parnets taught u wrong

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

You're telling people that for dwc the res "has to be black" and you're trying to critique me? :lol:

"has to be black"

I can do nothing but laugh at you. Imbecile. One of the most moronic statements about DWC i've read yet.

I'd rather give no advice than give bullshit advice

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

tip top toker said:
You're telling people that for dwc the res "has to be black" and you're trying to critique me?

"has to be black"

I can do nothing but laugh at you. Imbecile. One of the most moronic statements about DWC i've read yet.

I'd rather give no advice than give bullshit advice

blah blah blah ...............still see u offering no help just calling ppl names and tring to make yourself feel better about some crap in your life

waste of space ....................yes black what happends to roots when they are exposed to light they form a harden shell on the outside of them to protect self...........if this happends in the water the feed intake for the plant is altered ..................simple growing ABC 123

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

Black?

Her was me thinking that black absorbs light and as such heat. Most semi0educated people use any colour and insulate with aluminium tape or similar so as to keep light and heat from their reservoirs.

You keep harping you bullshit.

So please, explain why someone HAS to use a black res or tote. Bevause to use the word "must", indicates an absolute requirement. How is it that you say people HAVE to use black reservoirs, yet a thousand and one growers have made do without a black res or tote.

Muppet.

Do you even understand the words you are typing. When you tell someone something is a requirement, as opposed to helpful, you just sound like a complete idiot.

Once again, i would much rather give zero advice than give shit and incroect advice. But by all means, keep harping on about how a reservoir or tote has to be black :lol:

If you do not understand how stupid you sound, you should not be posting on this forum let alone attempting to give advice to people.

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

tip top toker said:
Black?

Her was me thinking that black absorbs light and as such heat. Most semi0educated people use any colour and insulate with aluminium tape or similar so as to keep light and heat from their reservoirs.

You keep harping you bullshit.

So please, explain why someone HAS to use a black res or tote. Bevause to use the word "must", indicates an absolute requirement. How is it that you say people HAVE to use black reservoirs, yet a thousand and one growers have made do without a black res or tote.

Muppet.

Do you even understand the words you are typing. When you tell someone something is a requirement, as opposed to helpful, you just sound like a complete idiot.

Once again, i would much rather give zero advice than give shit and incroect advice. But by all means, keep harping on about how a reservoir or tote has to be black

If you do not understand how stupid you sound, you should not be posting on this forum let alone attempting to give advice to people.

and still insults
black yes black .............why are they sold in black it cost more to make them black then does others why ..............hmm becuase it is the right thing to use .becuase they know light on roots are bad .............i think so

if u were right the buckets on the market would be all white ..............i see one system that is white one that is tan and the rest are black .hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm could they be on to something

i have explained all my reason for what i said ................if the reason above are to complex for u to understand the reasoning ...........then go back to school and pay attention this time

light that gets on roots makes roots form a hardern protective shell on them to keep them alive ..........roots do not like light if they did we would see white roots all over the ground ................i only see brown ones covered up in a bark layer when they poke out of the ground and have prolonged sunlight

if this happens in water u lost part of the feeding it does get the most it can get out of it since part of the roots are not aborbing the feed with the hardern layer on it
any redneck child of 7 years old could tell u this

go pick up a book and if u want ppl to actually think u know something other then insults ...............give some help instead of making it harder for the person to learn

now go away little nothing .........learn something come back

and if that reason is not good enought for u then try this ............light on water with feed in grows slime and other little not nice things in the water ...............every hydro books tells u this

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

u know what ........i am done with this calling u out

shut up or put up .............help out ppl or be known as the jackass u showed yourself to be on this posting

and on a personal note
i can out grow any damn thing u can for the simple fact is i do not think u know crap ...........u want to take me up post your best plant/yeild in 90 days ........i know i can get dencer harder nugs then u and make more of them in my limited area with what i have at hand ...............and i only been growing for short time with auto plants i have packed in almost 2 years of grows in this short time
to prove it is u or me posting the pics ......it must include a quater(usa quater) and any color bic lighter ...........both of them so u can not and i can not just grab a pic off net and claim it is mine

and for shits and giggles .........100 bucks if u grow it in a white bucket dwc (pics every 2 days so u do not change it out) becuase i done it and i am pretty sure i know what wil happen ....green for awhile then the slime and other things hit and the plant is dead ..................(built a tea keeper out of a white bucket with in 3 days had something growing in there not what i wanted ........it must be black )

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

I'm sorry, I'm still waiting for you to explain why a reservoir or tote "has to be black"

Try dropping your ego and reading what your have written. Has to be black. Lmfao. Please use your expertise to tell us why you cannot wrap your tote in aluminium tape but that it "has to be black"

What you mean is it has to be light proof, but your appear a little too idiotic to be able to phrase it so, but instead stupidly believe that a red must be black. You're fantastic.

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

guy that posted this ............sorry about that

hope u got some useful info out of it atleast ................and do not be scared to ask ?s if u do not know something it how u learn ..............the good ones will help u out as soon as they notice it.............the jackass will come too and something like this happends

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

justugh said:
and still insults
black yes black .............why are they sold in black it cost more to make them black then does others why ..............hmm becuase it is the right thing to use .becuase they know light on roots are bad .............i think so

if u were right the buckets on the market would be all white ..............i see one system that is white one that is tan and the rest are black .hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm could they be on to something

i have explained all my reason for what i said ................if the reason above are to complex for u to understand the reasoning ...........then go back to school and pay attention this time

light that gets on roots makes roots form a hardern protective shell on them to keep them alive ..........roots do not like light if they did we would see white roots all over the ground ................i only see brown ones covered up in a bark layer when they poke out of the ground and have prolonged sunlight

if this happens in water u lost part of the feeding it does get the most it can get out of it since part of the roots are not aborbing the feed with the hardern layer on it
any redneck child of 7 years old could tell u this

go pick up a book and if u want ppl to actually think u know something other then insults ...............give some help instead of making it harder for the person to learn

now go away little nothing .........learn something come back

and if that reason is not good enought for u then try this ............light on water with feed in grows slime and other little not nice things in the water ...............every hydro books tells u this

please go back to school

and as u pointed out ........black aborbs all light so there for no light pass tho it ..............the amount it warms is nothing since the plant shade it

is that the final little part that someone has to point out ...really please go back to school and take logical thinking and several other classes

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

I'm still waiting for you to explain why a black res or tote is a requirement. Again, you can wrap any colour tote in aluminium tape, as such meaning that a black toteo is NOT a requirement.

Please explain how a black res or tote is a requirement

Let me quote it one more time for you

"black bucket................it has to be black"

It does not have to be black, you are an idiot

I'm highlighting one small yet absolutely proven flaw in your advice, are you really that much of an egomaniac that you can't accpet in a single instance that you are wrong?

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

any thing else reflects the light black aborbs it stops it ...........u shall not pass ........end stop

other colors reflective .......pass light tho them ..........it is why when ppl do stuff at night they wear black if they do not want to be seen and if they want to be seen other colors

black stops all light no go.............. it will not get in no possible way no possible chance aslong as the top is sealed and the lvl of the rocks is right .........blue will let some blue light reflect on the inside organe white red green ..........go to a home depot get a organe bucket look at the light ................hi i see u

i am pumping 160,000 lumens right now any other color i see totes buckets black stops its (removes all variblies to it as u can) any other tote/bucket allows some light to pass tho and there is no way he is going to be ordering 200millmeter thick anything 50 mils to 70 is the standard market

no sorry make that 180,000 lumens .............witch is equal to a high plains area in full day light around noon

the 3 main factors to growing good weed and alot of it is simple
light...this is the correct color and power
feed....giving the strain what it wants and needs then taken it away to get clean smoke
temps......if u can controll the temp the humity and all u can get the leaves to be thicker or skinnier

after u have those 3 things dailed in for the strain u are growing u will max out the plant ..........then u drop the temps and u can get the color flux/changes u see in all those bud porns

tip top toker · Dec 7, 2013

some crazy people might argue that being reflective is a desired quality. god knows why everyone uses mylar or white paint on their walls.

So again, stop avoiding the question, explain why a black bucket is a requirement. you seem to be working awfully hard not to answer the question. I wonder why....

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

justugh said:
any thing else reflects the light black aborbs it stops it ...........u shall not pass ........end stop

other colors reflective .......pass light tho them ..........it is why when ppl do stuff at night they wear black if they do not want to be seen and if they want to be seen other colors

black stops all light no go.............. it will not get in no possible way no possible chance aslong as the top is sealed and the lvl of the rocks is right .........blue will let some blue light reflect on the inside organe white red green ..........go to a home depot get a organe bucket look at the light ................hi i see u

i am pumping 160,000 lumens right now any other color i see totes buckets black stops its (removes all variblies to it as u can) any other tote/bucket allows some light to pass tho and there is no way he is going to be ordering 200millmeter thick anything 50 mils to 70 is the standard market

no sorry make that 180,000 lumens .............witch is equal to a high plains area in full day light around noon

the 3 main factors to growing good weed and alot of it is simple
light...this is the correct color and power
feed....giving the strain what it wants and needs then taken it away to get clean smoke
temps......if u can controll the temp the humity and all u can get the leaves to be thicker or skinnier

after u have those 3 things dailed in for the strain u are growing u will max out the plant ..........then u drop the temps and u can get the color flux/changes u see in all those bud porns

the answer
black stops light and removed all possible chances that it would get inside the bucket and cause troubles in lower aborbtion rates to the plant along with keeping the water from developing anything that could cuase troubles to the roots

i am sorry if this is what ppl call common logic the world is doomed ............the simple concept light bad for roots black stops all light ..........there for a black bucket is the best possible choice to get for something likes this

justugh · Dec 7, 2013

logic simple logic
holy fucking shit it took this long for u to grasp that simple idea even tho u said but black aborbs the light and the heat

u could not make the connection that it stops the light from getting inside but other buckets/colors will allow the light to pass tho it since it is so strong in that area the only way to counter that fact is a thicker wall .....but the market does not make those they use a standard of 50 to 70 millimeters thick (that does allow light to get inside that does harm the plants roots )

1 2 3 just logical thinking

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