ATTN: U.S. Seed Buyers
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Manny Ramirez
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Johnnyorganic
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Thank you.
This case demonstrates the dangers involved in our hobby. The only two things you should ever say to a cop is "Am I free to go?" and "May I call my attorney?"
Under the same circumstances I would probably not have answered the door. But I'm sort of paranoid. If I don't recognize the visitor, I don't answer the door. You are not compelled to open the door unless the coppers have a signed warrant or probable cause.
I know, I know, and if you're going to shoot someone, don't be seen walking down Main St. twirling the gun afterwards. This is common sense. However, everyone who gets busted gets busted because of carelessness to one degree or another.
I would strongly encourage people here not to have seeds shipped to them from overseas at all, whether you have them sent to a "friend's house" or a "clean p.o. box" or "at work" unless you're really cloak-and-daggering it. I would, however, love to defend a client who was busted due to a warrant issued with "pot seeds in an envelope addressed to suspect" as the sole justification, and I'm not even a criminal defense attorney. If the warrant's no good, all fruits of the search are inadmissible (unless you have a WMD in your closet).
If you're worried about being caught, DO NOT ORDER SEEDS AT ALL. If you do, the authorities will merely have you on their radar and will pursue other avenues to bust you -- elec. bill, surveillance, etc.. If you do get busted, it will be for something much more than receiving pot seeds from overseas (dealing, for instance). When the cops show up, do not do what the couple in the story did. Having the seeds shipped to their grow location, while stupid, was the least of their errors. Come on, they kept a ledger?!?
The cops had nothing before they knocked on the door. They should have had nothing admissible as they left. The couple gift-wrapped and delivered an ironclad case against themselves to the authorities.
Johnnyorganic
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For those of us who have ordered seeds and not had a problem: In all likelihood we are safe b/c if the authorities detected the seeds we would have been notified of their seizure. However, this is a good point about name and address veracity when ordering. How would this be done exactly? Whichever address used would be subject to compromise. Will a seed bank send to a different name than the addressee?
I must say that twice have I ordered with a credit card with my name and address. I probably will do so again. The good seed banks camoflage the seeds into legitimate-appearing packages so that the chance of seizure is slim.
I must say that twice have I ordered with a credit card with my name and address. I probably will do so again. The good seed banks camoflage the seeds into legitimate-appearing packages so that the chance of seizure is slim.
panhead
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I hope nobody is taking the news report literaly or word for word,the "ledger" they speak of could very well of been a growers journal they kept to help them with the grow,the growers also could of kept track of simple non sales related costs for nutes,soil & power in their journal in order to make sure the cost of the grow did not become excessive.
Cops will call journals whatever the fuk they like as long as it makes them look smart & you like an asshole scumbag.
A Ledger,thee is no fukin way on earth that any dealer kept a written ledger of sales,i refuse to believe that.
Cops will call journals whatever the fuk they like as long as it makes them look smart & you like an asshole scumbag.
A Ledger,thee is no fukin way on earth that any dealer kept a written ledger of sales,i refuse to believe that.
Miracle Smoke
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This is why swim decided not to grow indoors too risky, and not give out too much information.
Grow outside, give nutrients & decent soil as you would indoors and you would get just as potent if not more and yield a hell ova lot bigger plant.
Grow outside, give nutrients & decent soil as you would indoors and you would get just as potent if not more and yield a hell ova lot bigger plant.
LoudBlunts
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I know, I know, and if you're going to shoot someone, don't be seen walking down Main St. twirling the gun afterwards. This is common sense. However, everyone who gets busted gets busted because of carelessness to one degree or another.
I would strongly encourage people here not to have seeds shipped to them from overseas at all, whether you have them sent to a "friend's house" or a "clean p.o. box" or "at work" unless you're really cloak-and-daggering it. I would, however, love to defend a client who was busted due to a warrant issued with "pot seeds in an envelope addressed to suspect" as the sole justification, and I'm not even a criminal defense attorney. If the warrant's no good, all fruits of the search are inadmissible (unless you have a WMD in your closet).
If you're worried about being caught, DO NOT ORDER SEEDS AT ALL. If you do, the authorities will merely have you on their radar and will pursue other avenues to bust you -- elec. bill, surveillance, etc.. If you do get busted, it will be for something much more than receiving pot seeds from overseas (dealing, for instance). When the cops show up, do not do what the couple in the story did. Having the seeds shipped to their grow location, while stupid, was the least of their errors. Come on, they kept a ledger?!?
The cops had nothing before they knocked on the door. They should have had nothing admissible as they left. The couple gift-wrapped and delivered an ironclad case against themselves to the authorities.
wow you have some knowledge there bro....you must be into criminal justice?
SmokenGirl
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And who exactly are the good seed banks that comoflage? Even sooo I would still be paranoid having it mailed to my own residence where I might smoke and grow, ya know...
Johnnyorganic
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This forum features new threads all the time discussing seed banks which go into some detail regarding which seed banks are reputable.
Government agents are bureaucrats in the end. A Customs Agent would have to go to the trouble of notifying local law enforcement of the thwarted seed delivery. If your seeds are seized and you are notified officially you could move your existing grow. However, if you have not been arrested by the time the notice arrives, you could assume that the bureaucrat seized the seeds and replaced them with the notice then sent your package out for postal delivery. Each agent processes thousands of pieces of overseas mail every work day. After inspecting packages all day, are they really going take their personal time to find and notify local law enforcement? There is no payoff for the Customs agent.
Where I live the city owns the local electrical utility. Incriminating power usage rates by growers would be very easy for even the laziest, donut-eating fuck of a cop to acquire. The truth is that if they really wanted us, they would have us already.
I believe law enforcement won't arrest personal-use growers who fly under their radar. This does not mean you smoke a blunt on your front porch while yelling drunken insults at every passerby. Law enforcement considers us a low priority. We're just not worth their time and assets.
Another reason we lambs sleep with the lions is that the lions cannot harm us without doing severe damage to society. They can't round us up; too many of us now and we're wired. They missed their chance and now we are organized and communicate online. Only a police state could absorb such a surge in the offender population of the existing criminal justice infrastructure (cops, courts & prisons) and avoid a revolt. The criminal justice machine is very expensive to operate. Taxpayers simply would not bear the cost if law enforcement decided to round us up. In other words, if they could have gotten us we would have been penalized out of existence by now.
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
To bad they didnt say what seed bank they were from lol Yeah you never order to a live address or use your name or for god sakes your own persnal creit card.Occassionally they follow some in.Ohare is a busy airport drop off for the midwest since its the major hub for internatinal mail.Further from it the safer you are
t0k3s
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get one of those blue charge cards where you can use any name you want then add the money you need to it..then order your seeds and when you select the shipping address choose your local ups store.go there get your package whenever you would expect them to be there. or ship them to ur buddys house and use him as a test run
j/k
prnkstr
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lol +rep for this i mean come on if you keep a ledger at least make it not so easy to read.
Discolexic
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What kind of idiot keeps a ledger of money made from pot sales?lol What a total moron! Can you imagine........
May 4 2004 2 oz= $600 sold to Tom
May 6 2004 1/2 oz =$150 sold to Fred
What an A-HOLE!!!!!!!
May 4 2004 2 oz= $600 sold to Tom
May 6 2004 1/2 oz =$150 sold to Fred
What an A-HOLE!!!!!!!
topfuel29
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So what does that tell you?
Big brothers watching....
mail from over seas usually comes over by plane
chicago is a big hub for international flights.
The dude only had 19 plants when he got busted
he didn't have a big operation...
I don't think it would have mattered if he had
the seeds sent to a P.O BX or a friends, or a UPS mail box
there gonna find you. If you think thats gonna throw them off
think again.
It's just where customs is at. probly one in new york, and L.A, Maimi
probly a bunch around the country.
