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sarah22

sarah22

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420HAZE420 said:
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what about it?

you know what i think? i think that if there is a god, like a single entity with a single conscious mind who created us and loves us etc and there is a heaven...that god would admit people into heaven who have lived their lives in a positive, loving, helping way. i dont think that what religion you believed in will matter in any way, shape, or form. i would think that if you were a *good person* with a good kind heart, you'll go to heaven regardless of what group you subscribe to. the label you wear isnt important. the way you conduct yourself and the way you live your life is whats important. human life is all about learning lessons, and i think that as long as you learn your lessons effectively, you'll go to heaven.

edit to add* for the record...i personally think that the universe itself is the conscious entity that we call god. its the source, its the creator. and that nothing really created the universe...it just exists. it has no beginning and will have no end.
 
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420HAZE420

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sarah22 said:
what about it?

you know what i think? i think that if there is a god, like a single entity with a single conscious mind who created us and loves us etc and there is a heaven...that god would admit people into heaven who have lived their lives in a positive, loving, helping way. i dont think that what religion you believed in will matter in any way, shape, or form. i would think that if you were a *good person* with a good kind heart, you'll go to heaven regardless of what group you subscribe to. the label you wear isnt important. the way you conduct yourself and the way you live your life is whats important. human life is all about learning lessons, and i think that as long as you learn your lessons effectively, you'll go to heaven.

edit to add* for the record...i personally think that the universe itself is the conscious entity that we call god. its the source, its the creator. and that nothing really created the universe...it just exists. it has no beginning and will have no end.
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OOoh nice lips. If you think that he really cares what religion you follow you are mistaken.If you are a good person and you please god with what you have done with your life then you have nothing to worry about.Let me give you some of my obvious reasons.
 
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420HAZE420

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1. The complexity of our planet points to a DELIBERATE DESIGNER who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

a. The Earth...its size is perfect.The Earth is located the right distance from the sun.Any closer and we would burn up.And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull.

2. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. WHY DOES IT?

a. How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

3. The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

a. Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

b.Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, WITHOUT SOMEONE INTENIONALLY CONSTRUCTING IT.

4. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

a. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us.

b. It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because GOD IS ACTIVLEY PURSUING YOU.

5.Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of GOD REVEALING HIMSELF TO US.

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the GNAWING IN OUR HEARTS and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.
 
KaleoXxX

KaleoXxX

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its pointless to argue religion with people. what do you want to gain by proving the existence of a god to people on the internet?

i personally dont believe in god. i think people who design their lives off of a book that was written 2000 years ago and then changed so many times are just fooling themselves. i do understand the miracle of our existence is astounding, dont get me wrong. i just dont see why there needs to have be a creator for life to keep going on

to say people who dont believe in god are ignorant is just a stupid statement. most atheists i know, such as my self are well informed about religion. we know what it offers and we decided it was not for us. i think people who honestly believe theyll get into heaven if they follow the 10 commandments, go to church on sunday and confess all theyre sins to a priest are just fooling themselves into thinking there a better person than they are. if heaven and hell do exist, if your a rapist no amount of hail marrys will save your ass from burning
 
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Keenly

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420HAZE420 said:
1. The complexity of our planet points to a DELIBERATE DESIGNER who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

a. The Earth...its size is perfect.The Earth is located the right distance from the sun.Any closer and we would burn up.And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull.

2. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. WHY DOES IT?

a. How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

3. The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

a. Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

b.Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, WITHOUT SOMEONE INTENIONALLY CONSTRUCTING IT.

4. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

a. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us.

b. It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because GOD IS ACTIVLEY PURSUING YOU.

5.Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of GOD REVEALING HIMSELF TO US.

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the GNAWING IN OUR HEARTS and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ.
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so which part exactly shows proof god exists?

it doesnt...


you will never be able to prove the existence of god, therefore, my rational reasoning mind will never accept that one exists...

its really that simple... prove god exists, only you cant



i dont really understand how people can believe in something they have to actually turn off their reasoning and logic to accept it



example:

how are babies made?

a man and a woman have sex

can a woman make a baby by herself?

no

explain the immaculate conception


oh wait, here is where the reasoning gets turned off

"well god can do anything" some one told me one time when i asked them this




you cant pick and choose what you want to make sense, either its a logical statement, or its an illogical statement


an immaculate conception is highly illogical as well as impossible


and since all religions are full of ridiculously impossible fairy tails such as this, i can not, in good sanity, believe it


that will not stop me from being a good person though
 
HEwhowalksbehindtherows

HEwhowalksbehindtherows

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Wow statements like this really make a person realize why mood stabilizing drugs are so prevalently used. This guy is running around trying to bag on people who he doesn’t even know, with a poorly formulated theory that assumes that everybody who doesn’t believe in his version of “existence” is wrong. Add to that the obviously flawed assumption that every atheist has to think the same way and have the same ideas (that’s more the department of organized religion). So tell me 420HAZE420, what is it you want me to say? Do you want me to fall to my knees and praise your dim witted ignorant views on life? Do you want me to praise you as a messenger of God and follow your commands? Or do you want me to point out your obvious lack of maturity and poor understanding of your own religion (which I’m assuming is Christian due to your statements). Why don’t you “read” your Holy Scriptures, and report back here on where it says “Go forth and spread ignorance and hatred”, while your at it look up the section on judgment and you’ll find it’s a right reserved by your “God”. So what if people don’t agree with you, why should they. You haven’t made an argument here, you’ve made poorly formulated divisive statements in an effort to build yourself up and justify your own belief structure. To that end by me sitting here commenting on your “post” I am enabling you in your quest for validation. So in that vein are you happy now? I hope you’ve whipped your self up into a Bible thumping frenzy that sends you straight to church and off this site.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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420HAZE420 said:
1. The complexity of our planet points to a DELIBERATE DESIGNER who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
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Our planet started out much simpler. The complexity arose over time. Either way, the appearance of complexity does not automatically point to a designer let alone one that still sustains it.
a. The Earth...its size is perfect.The Earth is located the right distance from the sun.Any closer and we would burn up.And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull.
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Actually, the earth does not maintain a steady distance to the sun. The earth orbit varies by over 3 million miles between perihelion and aphelion. The moon has been receding from earth at about 4cm per year so it hasn't always been that distance and will continue to move away.

2. The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. WHY DOES IT?
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Why do physical laws imply a creator? Why couldn't they have arisen naturally?
Physics is trying to answer that. It probably has to do with what happened in the first few moments of the Big Bang.
a. How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
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Once the basic particles that make up matter and forces are formed, why should they change? Would you prefer a cosmos where there are not laws and cause and effect become in question? At that point, we couldn't even be sure of anything our memories, our observations, etc. Nothing would make sense.
3. The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

a. Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.

b.Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, WITHOUT SOMEONE INTENIONALLY CONSTRUCTING IT.
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Natural biological causes are able to explain this just fine thank you.
4. We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
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Evidence?
a. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us.
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This evidence is self-fulfilling. You see something that is hard to explain and instead of looking for a natural cause, you default to a deity. This is just a form of the God of the gaps argument.
b. It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because GOD IS ACTIVLEY PURSUING YOU.
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Many atheists including myself have searched for spirituality. To claim they just aren't looking or in tune is a poor argument.
5.Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of GOD REVEALING HIMSELF TO US.
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Of all the various religions and gods, Judeo-Christianity is probably the least likely to be true. They call it faith because there is no evidence. Quit trying to pretend otherwise.
 
figtree

figtree

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Imaculate conception..... uh, Mary cheated. happens all the time, imagine if nowadays someone tried to pull off a myth like this. there would be jesus's all over the place! LOL!

Maybe back then the definition of Jesus was bastard. :)
 
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420HAZE420

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mindphuk said:
Our planet started out much simpler. The complexity arose over time. Either way, the appearance of complexity does not automatically point to a designer let alone one that still sustains it.
Actually, the earth does not maintain a steady distance to the sun. The earth orbit varies by over 3 million miles between perihelion and aphelion. The moon has been receding from earth at about 4cm per year so it hasn't always been that distance and will continue to move away.

The change of distance is so small its practicaly no change at all.


Why do physical laws imply a creator? Why couldn't they have arisen naturally?
Physics is trying to answer that. It probably has to do with what happened in the first few moments of the Big Bang.
Once the basic particles that make up matter and forces are formed, why should they change? Would you prefer a cosmos where there are not laws and cause and effect become in question? At that point, we couldn't even be sure of anything our memories, our observations, etc. Nothing would make sense.
Natural biological causes are able to explain this just fine thank you.
Evidence? This evidence is self-fulfilling. You see something that is hard to explain and instead of looking for a natural cause, you default to a deity. This is just a form of the God of the gaps argument.
Many atheists including myself have searched for spirituality. To claim they just aren't looking or in tune is a poor argument.
Of all the various religions and gods, Judeo-Christianity is probably the least likely to be true. They call it faith because there is no evidence. Quit trying to pretend otherwise.
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The chance of it happening naturaly are 999999:1

I am not a christian I dont give money to the rich,and you dont have to believe in any religion to know the truth.I will pray for you like I pray for the people on wall street & the filthy politicians you all act like, because judgement day will come when we partake in that last offered cup while you disapear into the potter's ground.Everybody wont be treated all the same
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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420HAZE420 said:
The chance of it happening naturaly are 999999:1
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the chance of WHAT happening? How exactly do you get this figure? Those aren't exactly terrible odds when you consider the vastness of the cosmos.

How can you say you're not a Christian after claiming that Jesus was God's revelation. I think you fit perfectly with the definition of Christian.
 
sarah22

sarah22

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you know, regarding immaculate conception...do you ever wonder, if indeed theres a heaven or afterlife where you're able to look down on the people of earth...that mary is just sitting up there laughing? lol. laughing about how a couple thousand years later, even after we've scientifically mapped out the reproductive process, people still believe she had that immaculate conception? hehe. sometimes i wonder if shes sitting up there pissing herself laughing at us :D
 
mrdrywall

mrdrywall

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i feel as strongly about the idiots that believe in that fairy tale god shit nice story made a good book and lots of dough let it go religion is a myth created for the weak
 
swampgrower

swampgrower

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when everybody prays im sure god hears millions of prayers at one time... and if he was real why would he allow kids to go through so much pain like rape and horriable deaths? alswo the bible was based upon incest. ddo u really think the entire world came from 2 people? be real with your self. religious is an awesome documentary!
 
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420HAZE420

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swampgrower said:
when everybody prays im sure god hears millions of prayers at one time... and if he was real why would he allow kids to go through so much pain like rape and horriable deaths? alswo the bible was based upon incest. ddo u really think the entire world came from 2 people? be real with your self. religious is an awesome documentary!
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Read my posts like I said what kind of world would this be if everything was perfect?I recomend using your dome.And by the way that religous movie was a terrible documentary.The man guy is one of the stupidest people ever concieved go ahead and believe a moronic fool that wouldent know the truth if it was punching him in the face.My god that idiot blows my mind
 
sarah22

sarah22

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420HAZE420 said:
Read my posts like I said what kind of world would this be if everything was perfect?I recomend using your dome.And by the way that religous movie was a terrible documentary.The man guy is one of the stupidest people ever concieved go ahead and believe a moronic fool that wouldent know the truth if it was punching him in the face.My god that idiot blows my mind
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are you talking about the movie "religulous" by bill maher? that movie was absolutely BRILLIANT. :lol:
 
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