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CrackerJax

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The chinese are playing a long term chess game and now are building a blue water navy.... sensing a gap I imagine. Long term govt. bodies have a distinct advantage over revolving ones. Can't wait till we revolve this one. 20 months and counting...

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tipsgnob

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he is doing a great job...at this point of his presidentcy george had already taken 4 weeks of vacation.
I am proud of him...he is doing a great job in europe and they LOVE him...he is a great president....8)
suck it up bone heads......
 

tipsgnob

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The chinese are playing a long term chess game and now are building a blue water navy.... sensing a gap I imagine. Long term govt. bodies have a distinct advantage over revolving ones. Can't wait till we revolve this one. 20 months and counting...

out. :blsmoke:
I hope your chinese is better than your english.:-P


now:shock:
 

CrackerJax

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he is doing a great job...at this point of his presidentcy george had already taken 4 weeks of vacation.
I am proud of him...he is doing a great job in europe and they LOVE him...he is a great president....8)
suck it up bone heads......

You obviously are not paying attention...which explains 90% of your posts tips...wakeNbake is your only forte.

out. :blsmoke:
 

CrackerJax

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Here's an article for those of you who still pay taxes :roll:

Yah, he's doing a GREAT job....

The House and Senate are preparing to pass President Barack Obama's radical budget blueprint, with only minor modifications, by using (abusing would be more accurate) the budget "reconciliation" process. This process circumvents the Senate's normal rules requiring 60 votes to prevent a filibuster. Reconciliation was created by Congress in the mid-1970s to enforce deficit reduction, the opposite of what the president and his party are aiming for.
AP


The immense increase in nondefense spending and taxes, and the tripling of the national debt in Mr. Obama's budget, have been the subject of considerable scrutiny since it was announced. Mr. Obama and his economic officials respond, not without justification, that he inherited an enormous economic and financial crisis and a large deficit. All presidents present the best possible case for their budgets, but a mind-numbing array of numbers offers innumerable opportunities to conjure up misleading comparisons.
Mr. Obama's characterizations of his budget unfortunately fall into this pattern. He claims to reduce the deficit by half, to shave $2 trillion off the debt (the cumulative deficit over his 10-year budget horizon), and not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. While in a Clintonian sense correct (depends on what the definition of "is" is), it is far more accurate to describe Mr. Obama's budget as almost tripling the deficit. It adds $6.5 trillion to the national debt, and leaves future U.S. taxpayers (many of whom will make far less than $250,000) with the tab. And all this before dealing with the looming Medicare and Social Security cost explosion.



Some have laid the total estimated deficits and debt projections (as more realistically tallied by the Congressional Budget Office) on Mr. Obama's doorstep. But on this score the president is correct. He cannot rightly be blamed for what he inherited. A more accurate comparison calculates what he has already added and proposes to add by his policies, compared to a "do-nothing" baseline (see nearby chart).
The CBO baseline cumulative deficit for the Obama 2010-2019 budget is $9.3 trillion. How much additional deficit and debt does Mr. Obama add relative to a do-nothing budget with none of his programs? Mr. Obama's "debt difference" is $4.829 trillion -- i.e., his tax and spending proposals add $4.829 trillion to the CBO do-nothing baseline deficit. The Obama budget also adds $177 billion to the fiscal year 2009 budget. To this must be added the $195 billion of 2009 legislated add-ons (e.g., the stimulus bill) since Mr. Obama's election that were already incorporated in the CBO baseline and the corresponding $1.267 trillion in add-ons for 2010-2019. This brings Mr. Obama's total additional debt to $6.5 trillion, not his claimed $2 trillion reduction. That was mostly a phantom cut from an imagined 10-year continuation of peak Iraq war spending.
The claim to reduce the deficit by half compares this year's immense (mostly inherited) deficit to the projected fiscal year 2013 deficit, the last of his current term. While it is technically correct that the deficit would be less than half this year's engorged level, a do-nothing budget would reduce it by 84%. Compared to do-nothing, Mr. Obama's deficit is more than two and a half times larger in fiscal year 2013. Just his addition to the budget deficit, $459 billion, is bigger than any deficit in the nation's history. And the 2013 deficit is supposed to be after several years of economic recovery, funds are being returned from the financial bailouts, and we are out of Iraq.
Finally, what of the claim not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 a year? Even ignoring his large energy taxes, Mr. Obama must reconcile his arithmetic. Every dollar of debt he runs up means that future taxes must be $1 higher in present-value terms. Mr. Obama is going to leave a discounted present-value legacy of $6.5 trillion of additional future taxes, unless he dramatically cuts spending. (With interest the future tax hikes would be much larger later on.) Call it a stealth tax increase or ticking tax time-bomb.
What does $6.5 trillion of additional debt imply for the typical family? If spread evenly over all those paying income taxes (which under Mr. Obama's plan would shrink to a little over 50% of the population), everyincome-tax paying family would get a tax bill for $163,000. (In 10 years, interest would bring the total to well over a quarter million dollars, if paid all at once. If paid annually over the succeeding 10 years, the tax hike every year would average almost $34,000.) That's in addition to his explicit tax hikes. While the future tax time-bomb is pushed beyond Mr. Obama's budget horizon, and future presidents and Congresses will decide how it will be paid, it is likely to be paid by future income tax hikes as these are general fund deficits.
We can get a rough idea of who is likely to pay them by distributing this $6.5 trillion of future taxes according to the most recent distribution of income-tax burdens. We know the top 1% or 5% of income-taxpayers pay vastly disproportionate shares of taxes, and much larger shares than their shares of income. But it also turns out that Mr. Obama's massive additional debt implies a tax hike, if paid today, of well over $100,000 for people with incomes of $150,000, far below Mr. Obama's tax-hike cut-off of $250,000. (With interest, the tax hike would rise to more than $162,000 in 10 years, and over $20,000 a year if paid annually the following 10 years). In other words, a middle-aged two-career couple in New York or California could get a future tax bill as big as their mortgage.
While Mr. Obama's higher tax rates are economically harmful, some of his tax policies deserve wide support, e.g., permanently indexing the alternative minimum tax. Ditto some of the spending increases, including the extension of unemployment benefits, given the severe recession.
Neither a large deficit in a recession nor a small increase from the current modest level in the debt to GDP ratio is worrisome. And at a 50% debt-to-GDP ratio, with nominal GDP growing 4% (the CBO out-year forecast), deficits of 2% of GDP would not be increasing the debt burden relative to income.
But what is not just worrisome but dangerous are the growing trillion dollar deficits in the latter years of the Obama budget. These deficits are so large for a prosperous nation in peacetime -- three times safe levels -- that they would cause the debt burden to soar toward banana republic levels. That's a recipe for a permanent drag on growth and serious pressure on the Federal Reserve to inflate, not the new era of rising prosperity that Mr. Obama and his advisers foresee.
Mr. Boskin is a professor of economics at Stanford University and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He chaired the Council of Economic Advisers under President George H.W. Bush.









He's going the wrong way...


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ilkhan

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They can build as much navy as they want we will flaten them in the navy. I hear even Japan is ramping up its military. I think deep down the Japs want another go at China. They hate eachother deep down. I don't care let them dominate east asia fuck it. Pull back to the US and trade peacably with them. Develop faster then light drive and get the libritarians off this rock. Do we really want to be on the edge of nuclear armegedon agein, Not me, if we can help it.

What are you refering to 20 months Jax?? WTF you talkin' about congressional election??
 

CrackerJax

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Problem is the chinese aren't staying local with their navy...hence the "BLUE WATER" comment. They were just off Iran last month.... We will not flatten them. They are going to have more nuke subs than us in less than a decade.....plus their new sub base lets them go out into deep water totally undetected. One of the reasons why we had that scrap last month. We were watching them. It will only continue as long as weakness is sensed...and correctly sensed with this administration. meanwhile N. Korea is fueling their "communications" rocket right now. they don't even have cell phones.... communications? Lawdy. Iran and N.Korea have been working hand in hand together. No worries says Obama...uh huh.

out. :blsmoke:
 

ilkhan

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We will just have to slash ALL the programs and continue taxation for several years to pay back all the money we owe. No problem this will fast track libritarianism Or sadle us with a represive police state. Either way I win. I will have the privlege of saying "See I told you so" while in the re-education camps or we will have freedom.
 

medicineman

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Whine snivel and cry said the righties. Geeze, after 8 fucking years of "W", it's sure good to see the righties whining. Snivel on my good fellows, you have 7 years and 9 months to cry foul. Have you guys ordered those submersible Hummers yet,~LOL~.
 

ilkhan

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We will crush them in the water. China has never really been an aggressive nation they just want all of china under one rule. They will bully us so they can get Taiwan. You've got lots of countries in the world and our hegmoney couldn't have lasted for ever. We have squandered our oppertunity for world peace after the soviet colapse. You see them as potental threats (so do I) but the world is like that. I can see Obamas point lets see if it plays out for him before we start electing warhawks agein. I don't want another cold war I find it tiresome.

I don't think we should have ever normalized relations with China we should have let them collapse with Russia (in hindsight). They are playing us and have been for years they are playing the system in an unfair way exploiting the system and we let them do it. We are funding the new evil empire we gotta have enemys or we can't maintain a userous government. They must keep us afraid lest we start using our heads.
 

CrackerJax

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You mentioned it before but now you leave it out...they OWN us financially. We will do nothing. They need only to pull the financial rip cord. Problem is we don't have a parachute.

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CrackerJax

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Whine snivel and cry said the righties. Geeze, after 8 fucking years of "W", it's sure good to see the righties whining. Snivel on my good fellows, you have 7 years and 9 months to cry foul. Have you guys ordered those submersible Hummers yet,~LOL~.

I'm certainly not a 'rightie" and I never whine. I do care about this country which has enabled me to earn a great living free from financial oppression. No need for me to whine...I've moved my monies safely offshore last summer when it was obvious a plebiscite was going to win the white house with socialist tendencies. I cannot be hurt by Obama except in the real estate markets, but although I own many properties, it's still a drop in the bucket to what is now safe and SOUND.

I post for the others. The ones who have now lost their retirement options, the very poor who are going to be crushed when it all crashes, and it will.

I just follow the data and the actions, and I understand economics far better than you sir. This is going VERY badly and will only get worse.

out. :blsmoke:
 

medicineman

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I'm certainly not a 'rightie" and I never whine. I do care about this country which has enabled me to earn a great living free from financial oppression. No need for me to whine...I've moved my monies safely offshore last summer when it was obvious a plebiscite was going to win the white house with socialist tendencies. I cannot be hurt by Obama except in the real estate markets, but although I own many properties, it's still a drop in the bucket to what is now safe and SOUND.

I post for the others. The ones who have now lost their retirement options, the very poor who are going to be crushed when it all crashes, and it will.

I just follow the data and the actions, and I understand economics far better than you sir. This is going VERY badly and will only get worse.

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You may be right about the worse part, We may have gone over the edge. The part I don't get about you is that after only three months, you are blaming Obama for this mess. Just who do you think could have been elected and solved this mess, Paul? Paul would have been steamrolled by the democratic congress. He would have done nothing and this country would be deep in a depression, millions more would be un-employed, which I'm pretty sure doesn't concern you. I wonder why you bother to come here and converse with us lowly comoners, what a waste of genious.
 

ilkhan

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Oh I ain't payin' for any of it. Jax. Fuck them and their warfare / welfare state. Hey I ain't "whining" Medman I'm thrilled, I really am. We deserve every bit of what we get. Bush policies isolated huge portions of the population and caused "Blowback" We will be giving up our currancy reserve monopoly status that will mean less demand for our money so I expect to see inflation and rising prices in the near future. That will be good it will make it easy to pay off the debt (it will be worth less with an inflated money) And it will give everyone a crash course in economics 101. All in All this is a winning situation for fiscal conservatives everywhere. Lets do some damage.

No this is very simple problem. Order the treasury to print US notes (dollars) to pay off all the debt. until the debt is gone. Require the banks to increase their reserve status to fight the inevitable inflation that would arise from paying off the debt. kill 3 bird (Central banking, fractional reserve banking and debt) with 1 stone. Yeah its not perfect (not gold backed) but its better then needing bankers to print our own money with intrest attached. You increase money supply based on population growth and price index, simple.
 

medicineman

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Oh I ain't payin' for any of it. Jax. Fuck them and their warfare / welfare state. Hey I ain't "whining" Medman I'm thrilled, I really am. We deserve every bit of what we get. Bush policies isolated huge portions of the population and caused "Blowback" We will be giving up our currancy reserve monopoly status that will mean less demand for our money so I expect to see inflation and rising prices in the near future. That will be good it will make it easy to pay off the debt (it will be worth less with an inflated money) And it will give everyone a crash course in economics 101. All in All this is a winning situation for fiscal conservatives everywhere. Lets do some damage.

No this is very simple problem. Order the treasury to print US notes (dollars) to pay off all the debt. until the debt is gone. Require the banks to increase their reserve status to fight the inevitable inflation that would arise from paying off the debt. kill 3 bird (Central banking, fractional reserve banking and debt) with 1 stone. Yeah its not perfect (not gold backed) but its better then needing bankers to print our own money with intrest attached. You increase money supply based on population growth and price index, simple.
I agree with the tenet that we should not be borrowing money from bankers to fund the government. I'm pretty sure there are enough out of work printers to start the presses rolling at a government print facility. Cut out the middle men.
 

CrackerJax

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Okay, I was never a Bush fan because he got himself in the tank over Iraq and spilled the milk here. But that is over with...let's deal with the present. This is no gigantic crisis like it has been portrayed. It's just a recession, but the OVERT reaction by Obama and Co. has been flat astonishing in its breadth and scope. If it made financial sense I would be on board, but it just doesn't. We are going to make things so much worse for the folks coming after us. they will truly revile us in the history books and rightfully so.

Is Obama personally to blame? Yes...and no. yes, because he is letting it happen and he has not the experience to know better. Honestly, he should never have run. Who goes from community activist to 2 years in the Senate to President? Who???? It is quite apparent he is in way over his head. He is being HANDLED by a cabinet of professionals and a Congress with their own agenda. They have told him they will take care of everything, but like I posted before his own party is his worst opponent. carter found this out...now it is Obamas turn. Unfortunately what Congress is doing is so obscene and long term, it makes what happened to us under Carter look like a sunday stroll throught the park.

I feel sorry for Obama, but he never should have run in the first place. Some little devil from the party whispered something in his ear, but usually the devil is in the details, and these details are going to kill us all financially, and perhaps worse.

That's all :lol:

out. :blsmoke:
 

ilkhan

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As far as Paul not doing anything, thats just it, he could litteraly sat their in a coma and done more then Obama with all his running around. He could have vetoed any budget that was not balanced. That would have been a boon he could have stoped the bail outs dead, or slowed it down enouph for their to be some oversight at least. Our military would have been ordered home and would probably be 50% home by now. Military budget would have been slashed. foriegn aid would have been slashed. we would actually have real money not debt to fund infastructure projects. As far as the economy is conserned Paul was without a doubt the best canidate of '08 bar none.
 

CrackerJax

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Paul is a smart guy but not smart enough to get a cohesive party together.

he's flailing at windmills... but I'm sure he gets a good nights sleep.

out. :blsmoke:
 

medicineman

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Okay, I was never a Bush fan because he got himself in the tank over Iraq and spilled the milk here. But that is over with...let's deal with the present. This is no gigantic crisis like it has been portrayed. It's just a recession, but the OVERT reaction by Obama and Co. has been flat astonishing in its breadth and scope. If it made financial sense I would be on board, but it just doesn't. We are going to make things so much worse for the folks coming after us. they will truly revile us in the history books and rightfully so.

Is Obama personally to blame? Yes...and no. yes, because he is letting it happen and he has not the experience to know better. Honestly, he should never have run. Who goes from community activist to 2 years in the Senate to President? Who???? It is quite apparent he is in way over his head. He is being HANDLED by a cabinet of professionals and a Congress with their own agenda. They have told him they will take care of everything, but like I posted before his own party is his worst opponent. carter found this out...now it is Obamas turn. Unfortunately what Congress is doing is so obscene and long term, it makes what happened to us under Carter look like a sunday stroll throught the park.

I feel sorry for Obama, but he never should have run in the first place. Some little devil from the party whispered something in his ear, but usually the devil is in the details, and these details are going to kill us all financially, and perhaps worse.

That's all :lol:

out. :blsmoke:
Actually, I think you need to take a little better look at Obama. He stepped in and started things rolling right off. Yeah, he is spending money, but that is what he needed to do to stem the tide of job loss. Am I pissed off about the bailouts, hell yes, but most of that was done by his predecessors. If GM and Chrysler are left to fail, something like 1.75 million workers will be affected, most will lose their jobs. The financial geniouses that pilfered billions should be allowed to fail. Those greedy fucks deserve nothing, yeah I'm a little prejudiced, I always took a shower after work.
 
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