are veterans with PTSD just faking it?
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charface
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I would think the number should be much lower than say vietnam, ww2 etc
A great deal of our killing is done via remote control.
We do the bulk of attacking.
I read or heard somewhere that our special forces suffer less because they are well prepared and are typically doing the attacking.
Now if we have any grunts who were pinned down or roadside bombed
Good chance they could have it.
I think our side dishes out the ptsd
Much more than we receive it.
And I mean no disrespect.
My family has served in probably every war.
So given the small numbers of grunts
Actually engaging in combat I think we should not be having a ptsd epidemic anytime soon.
A great deal of our killing is done via remote control.
We do the bulk of attacking.
I read or heard somewhere that our special forces suffer less because they are well prepared and are typically doing the attacking.
Now if we have any grunts who were pinned down or roadside bombed
Good chance they could have it.
I think our side dishes out the ptsd
Much more than we receive it.
And I mean no disrespect.
My family has served in probably every war.
So given the small numbers of grunts
Actually engaging in combat I think we should not be having a ptsd epidemic anytime soon.
whitebb2727
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I have seen it with my own eyes. I have seen vets hurt people during episodes or flashbacks. What ever you call them.
There is evidence of there being fraud though. I forgot where I read the article but it was talking about fraud in the VA.
Vets were caught in lies. Some went as far to as lie about actually being in combat.
There is evidence of there being fraud though. I forgot where I read the article but it was talking about fraud in the VA.
Vets were caught in lies. Some went as far to as lie about actually being in combat.
UncleBuck
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many people are saying it's about 75% that are faking it. many people are saying
abandonconflict
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I don't think they're faking anything. If a diagnosis is accompanied by records to indicate that the issues are service connected, no fraud has been committed.
whitebb2727
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From what the article said there were cases of it being paid even after the lies were caught.
Then again I have personally went through the process of making a claim, appeals and requesting upgrade in rating. They are thorough. They hate letting that money go.
abandonconflict
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I haven't read the article. I can imagine that some would try to cheat the system but that suicide rate wasn't lying. So my opinion is that in most cases, the compensation payments are deserved and needed. It is also my opinion that it would be better to just reduce the red tape and grant more claims. It is better to help them all and have a few cheaters get over than to literally watch so many die on waiting lists.
whitebb2727
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I agree completely.
Bugeye
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PTSD is common in society and does not have to result from warfare, although warfare will likely produce the most severe cases. It is a rewiring of the brain that occurs from extreme stress. Reversible in less severe cases and the best solution seems to be talking about the stressful condition over and over again until it is desensitized. Women are at greater risk of PTSD but it can affect anyone.
trippnface
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You tell me
"My body has become nothing but a cage, a source of pain and constant problems. The illness I have has caused me pain that not even the strongest medicines could dull, and there is no cure. All day, every day a screaming agony in every nerve ending in my body. It is nothing short of torture. My mind is a wasteland, filled with visions of incredible horror, unceasing depression, and crippling anxiety, even with all of the medications the doctors dare give. Simple things that everyone else takes for granted are nearly impossible for me. I can not laugh or cry. I can barely leave the house. I derive no pleasure from any activity. Everything simply comes down to passing time until I can sleep again. Now, to sleep forever seems to be the most merciful thing."
http://gawker.com/i-am-sorry-that-it-has-come-to-this-a-soldiers-last-534538357
"My body has become nothing but a cage, a source of pain and constant problems. The illness I have has caused me pain that not even the strongest medicines could dull, and there is no cure. All day, every day a screaming agony in every nerve ending in my body. It is nothing short of torture. My mind is a wasteland, filled with visions of incredible horror, unceasing depression, and crippling anxiety, even with all of the medications the doctors dare give. Simple things that everyone else takes for granted are nearly impossible for me. I can not laugh or cry. I can barely leave the house. I derive no pleasure from any activity. Everything simply comes down to passing time until I can sleep again. Now, to sleep forever seems to be the most merciful thing."
http://gawker.com/i-am-sorry-that-it-has-come-to-this-a-soldiers-last-534538357
UncleBuck
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Trumps boy Carl higbie says 75% of them are faking it
zeddd
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The other end of this argument is that presumably psychiatric specialists are credulous fools easily duped.
GreenHighlander
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I believe the "75% are faking it" is complete and utter bullshit. The fact is it is losing its stigma and is much better diagnosed then it was historically. It is the human bodies reaction to severe trauma and inhuman acts and conditions. Not saying there aren't always lost folks out there, but to say 75% are faking it, is the biggest slap in the face to the people who are suffering because they went and did what their country asked of them. First responders I suppose are also faking it?
The term PTSD may get over used, but it is a real and very serious thing for those suffering from it.
The term PTSD may get over used, but it is a real and very serious thing for those suffering from it.
Unclebaldrick
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I have heard that the high suicide rate does not depend on seeing combat. In other words, active military that have never been overseas are pretty much as likely as a combat veteran to kill themselves. I have not researched this for this post but have read it in the past.
whitebb2727
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In basic training certain special ops groups will come around and recruit people. I started to go that route and decided to keep the original job I put in for.
Part of the process was rigorous psychological testing. They were looking for certain candidates. Somewhere between normal and crazy. Those in that certain spectrum are supposed to be impervious to ptsd.
Does that eliminate it? No. The human brain is complex.
I feel for those that have it. It's possible I have a bit of it. I have never been to combat but I have been through some messed up stuff. I experience the panic and hyper vigilance and at times have intermittent outburst.
Cannabis helps a lot.
Part of the process was rigorous psychological testing. They were looking for certain candidates. Somewhere between normal and crazy. Those in that certain spectrum are supposed to be impervious to ptsd.
Does that eliminate it? No. The human brain is complex.
I feel for those that have it. It's possible I have a bit of it. I have never been to combat but I have been through some messed up stuff. I experience the panic and hyper vigilance and at times have intermittent outburst.
Cannabis helps a lot.
Fogdog
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Thank you for answering a question nobody asked.
Fogdog
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That's exactly what @MichiganMedGrower keeps saying. I wonder which one is the plagiarist.
rkymtnman
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not to disrespect our veterans here (thanks for your service) but isn't seeing stressful situations and death up close part of the job description?
maybe more psychological screening is needed before enlisting is needed?
when i was a DoD contractor at ft carson, the army guys(officers, not enlisted) i spoke to said that finding good recruits was almost impossible these days.
maybe more psychological screening is needed before enlisting is needed?
when i was a DoD contractor at ft carson, the army guys(officers, not enlisted) i spoke to said that finding good recruits was almost impossible these days.
charface
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After giving this some thought,
I remember in boot camp we started with like 80 people, out of those 80
We lost like 9 to half assed suicide attempts, i watched a fake heart attack, a guy who had some phantom foot problem who was eventually med released.
I honestly feel out drop rate was higher than average because our instructors were harder than average.
malingering was a constant problem even after basic Because once you wanted out you cant just ask.
So the type of person looking for a way out would use ptsd in a heartbeat.
Especially if there were benefits attached to the release. I think based on my experience there probably is a good deal of abuse
Again I cant give a number to it.
Where I train we have a program for vets and first responders to train for free so I also get to meet people who are genuinely disturbed by things they were exposed to and doing anything they can to just be part of life.
I only post this because civilians probably have a hard time grasping
So many people malingering but it does exist and ptsd would be a great fake illnesses much like back pain its really hard to disprove.
I'm on the fence about the numbers only
I remember in boot camp we started with like 80 people, out of those 80
We lost like 9 to half assed suicide attempts, i watched a fake heart attack, a guy who had some phantom foot problem who was eventually med released.
I honestly feel out drop rate was higher than average because our instructors were harder than average.
malingering was a constant problem even after basic Because once you wanted out you cant just ask.
So the type of person looking for a way out would use ptsd in a heartbeat.
Especially if there were benefits attached to the release. I think based on my experience there probably is a good deal of abuse
Again I cant give a number to it.
Where I train we have a program for vets and first responders to train for free so I also get to meet people who are genuinely disturbed by things they were exposed to and doing anything they can to just be part of life.
I only post this because civilians probably have a hard time grasping
So many people malingering but it does exist and ptsd would be a great fake illnesses much like back pain its really hard to disprove.
I'm on the fence about the numbers only