Are there really strains with 30% thc?

Odin*

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@qwizoking
In an effort to help "clear the air" here, maybe you can elaborate on "mj plants don't stink". Are you alleging that OG doesn't smell like lemon pledge, or that GG4 doesn't smell like chocolate/earthy/diesel/car piss, while in bloom/pre-cure? Are you suggesting that these strains do not emit any distinguishable odor even after cure? Are you saying that the plants do not innately give of a scent, unless the flowers are disturbed? No "challenge" presented, not being eristic, I'm just want to be clear on what is being stated.

Perhaps the "stink" that you're referring to differs from the "nose" that the rest of us are referencing. Maybe by "stink" you're saying that the plants don't have an "unpleasant" odor, such as the one I would associate with "stress". Not just minor stress, or positive stress, but a stressor that pushed the plant(s) beyond their threshold. That kind of stress, from my experience, yields a universal, easily distinguishable, "stink".

I think the majority of us are being "thrown" by the fact that the look, smell, flavor, potency, all tend to go "hand in hand". Keep in mind, this is relative amongst each individual strain, but the better the appearance, the stronger the nose, the better the flavor, the "stronger" the smoke (again, relative to a given strain). The same holds true in the opposite end of the spectrum.

Negative "Stress", beyond what a plant can acclimate to, leaves a bad odor. This "stink" is easily noticeable, and is the same within every strain. A plant with "stress stink", I can agree, is not a happy plant.

However, the happier my plants are, the stronger their "nose" is. I can smell a good OG in bloom, GSC, easily distinguishable from a great distance, Glue, can smell those "monkeys" all over the place, "Mystery", it's scent leaves "visions of sugar plums dancing in my head".

One easy way to deaden the nose during bloom, under water.
 
RM3

RM3

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Yodaweed said:
That pic you posted looks like all the tric heads are fried :( lots of degradation, guess you don't care about that? That's gonna have a lot of CBN.
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You couldn't be more wrong, guess there is no point in the discussion, you don't seem to want to learn ?
 
qwizoking

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qwizoking said:
smells like chemmy garlic bread with berry undertones and a sour dirty funk
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qwizoking said:
ive never ran carbon filters. or anything and im not just used to the odors. of course if its too warm or whatever i can smell them.
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Odin* said:
@qwizoking
In an effort to help "clear the air" here, maybe you can elaborate on "mj plants don't stink". Are you alleging that OG doesn't smell like lemon pledge, or that GG4 doesn't smell like chocolate/earthy/diesel/car piss, while in bloom/pre-cure? Are you suggesting that these strains do not emit any distinguishable odor even after cure? Are you saying that the plants do not innately give of a scent, unless the flowers are disturbed? No "challenge" presented, not being eristic, I'm just want to be clear on what is being stated.

Perhaps the "stink" that you're referring to differs from the "nose" that the rest of us are referencing. Maybe by "stink" you're saying that the plants don't have an "unpleasant" odor, such as the one I would associate with "stress". Not just minor stress, or positive stress, but a stressor that pushed the plant(s) beyond their threshold. That kind of stress, from my experience, yields a universal, easily distinguishable, "stink".

I think the majority of us are being "thrown" by the fact that the look, smell, flavor, potency, all tend to go "hand in hand". Keep in mind, this is relative amongst each individual strain, but the better the appearance, the stronger the nose, the better the flavor, the "stronger" the smoke (again, relative to a given strain). The same holds true in the opposite end of the spectrum.

Negative "Stress", beyond what a plant can acclimate to, leaves a bad odor. This "stink" is easily noticeable, and is the same within every strain. A plant with "stress stink", I can agree, is not a happy plant.

However, the happier my plants are, the stronger their "nose" is. I can smell a good OG in bloom, GSC, easily distinguishable from a great distance, Glue, can smell those "monkeys" all over the place, "Mystery", it's scent leaves "visions of sugar plums dancing in my head".

One easy way to deaden the nose during bloom, under water.
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maybe its cause i was never allowed to go to sleep... and im grumpy but.....

obviously i stated the plants have a smell.
but that my grow room doesnt emit an odor.
ideally all the volatile compounds remain in their waxy cell until broken up.. or as flavor when a lighter touches it
 
Roobarb

Roobarb

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RM3 said:
Sorry, I would never use a boveda, IMO curing is an art that should be learned

I dry and cure very differently than anything you find in forums
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Have you written anything on the forum about your method. I'm curious. Can you post a link?
 
Cannacat

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Do you know what? And let's clarify, I'm only a beginner myself, I'm practically a newb but I'm working hard at getting good.
My plants don't smell. And I never thought much of it because my first lot were 11 white widows that I was told were good for a stealth grow, but then the cheeses never stank the house out either,or the heisenbergs, and the batch of white widows and AC budweiser or whatever the hell it is I've got on the go now, also no smell although you could discount that as they're only just flipped to flower.
I was thinking about what @RM3 said about barometric pressure and maybe that explains it, in my room at least, because I have no exhaust or carbon scrubber and my room isn't really sealed either. The plants smell when I'm in amongst them, when I brush against them to water or when I'm cutting clones or whatever, they definitely have an odour but the only time I've been able to smell weed when I come in through the front door was when the cheese was drying.
 
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Cannacat said:
Do you know what? And let's clarify, I'm only a beginner myself, I'm practically a newb but I'm working hard at getting good.
My plants don't smell. And I never thought much of it because my first lot were 11 white widows that I was told were good for a stealth grow, but then the cheeses never stank the house out either,or the heisenbergs, and the batch of white widows and AC budweiser or whatever the hell it is I've got on the go now, also no smell although you could discount that as they're only just flipped to flower.
I was thinking about what @RM3 said about barometric pressure and maybe that explains it, in my room at least, because I have no exhaust or carbon scrubber and my room isn't really sealed either. The plants smell when I'm in amongst them, when I brush against them to water or when I'm cutting clones or whatever, they definitely have an odour but the only time I've been able to smell weed when I come in through the front door was when the cheese was drying.
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Nice ! I can always smell my harvested bud while it's drying in the chamber 8)
 
Yodaweed

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I guess @qwizoking and @RM3 don't know what THC degradation is, when your plant is over ripe the THC degrades into CBN, which is less strong than THC.
CBN (Cannabinol)

Quick Summary of CBN

  • CBN is also psychoactive, though much less so than THC

  • The presence of CBN with THC may reduce the feelings of anxiety that some people feel with high levels of THC

  • CBN contributes to more of a body "couchlock" effect

  • CBN promotes uninterrupted sleep

  • Too much CBN can make people feel groggy or sleepy
How to get high levels of CBN in your buds:

Maybe you guys should learn a thing or two about when to pull your plant at peak ripeness instead of trying to act like you know everything about growing.


  1. Highest level of THC is when many/most of the trichomes have turned milky white / cloudy (when viewed under a magnifier). Trichomes that are milky have the highest levels of THC are "ready to harvest" and contribute to more euphoric and psychoactive effects. At this point 50-70% of the pistils have darkened.
  2. The most "couchlock" or sedating effect happens towards the end of the pot harvest window, when the trichomes have become a darker color (usually amber/gold). The amber/yellow trichomes contribute to a 'body high' because some of the THC has converted into less psychoactive CBN, which has calming and anti-anxiety effects. With some strains, the trichomes will even turn red or purple! I like to harvest around when 20% have turned amber. At this point 70-90% of the pistils have darkened. Harvesting later will increase the sedating effects, but may also start reducing the psychoactive effects.
The pic you posted is like 80% amber, aka THC degraded into CBN.


And if your plants don't have any smell you are running weak genetics.
 
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RM3

RM3

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Yodaweed said:
I guess @qwizoking and @RM3 don't know what THC degradation is, when your plant is over ripe the THC degrades into CBN, which is less strong than THC.
CBN (Cannabinol)

Quick Summary of CBN

  • CBN is also psychoactive, though much less so than THC

  • The presence of CBN with THC may reduce the feelings of anxiety that some people feel with high levels of THC

  • CBN contributes to more of a body "couchlock" effect

  • CBN promotes uninterrupted sleep

  • Too much CBN can make people feel groggy or sleepy
How to get high levels of CBN in your buds:

Maybe you guys should learn a thing or two about when to pull your plant at peak ripeness instead of trying to act like you know everything about growing.


  1. Highest level of THC is when many/most of the trichomes have turned milky white / cloudy (when viewed under a magnifier). Trichomes that are milky have the highest levels of THC are "ready to harvest" and contribute to more euphoric and psychoactive effects. At this point 50-70% of the pistils have darkened.
  2. The most "couchlock" or sedating effect happens towards the end of the pot harvest window, when the trichomes have become a darker color (usually amber/gold). The amber/yellow trichomes contribute to a 'body high' because some of the THC has converted into less psychoactive CBN, which has calming and anti-anxiety effects. With some strains, the trichomes will even turn red or purple! I like to harvest around when 20% have turned amber. At this point 70-90% of the pistils have darkened. Harvesting later will increase the sedating effects, but may also start reducing the psychoactive effects.
The pic you posted is like 80% amber, aka THC degraded into CBN.
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You very obviously did not go read my free chapter I linked, if you had you would see the actual scientific study on CBN and how it takes a year to just get a small % in bad storage conditions.

You are simply parroting the same forum nonsense as most every one else and you could not be more wrong

How bout you drop by sometime and have a taste of that bud 8)
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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RM3 said:
You very obviously did not go read my free chapter I linked, if you had you would see the actual scientific study on CBN and how it takes a year to just get a small % in bad storage conditions.

You are simply parroting the same forum nonsense as most every one else and you could not be more wrong

How bout you drop by sometime and have a taste of that bud 8)
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Sorry I didn't read any of the garbage you spew, I don't have any faith in someone that says their weed doesn't smell when growing, then tells other people to pour boiling water on their roots and uses T5's to grow with, you are a joke. If I want to smoke schwag I'd let you know.
 
DtsHs

DtsHs

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Yodaweed said:
I guess @qwizoking and @RM3 don't know what THC degradation is, when your plant is over ripe the THC degrades into CBN, which is less strong than THC.
CBN (Cannabinol)

Quick Summary of CBN

  • CBN is also psychoactive, though much less so than THC

  • The presence of CBN with THC may reduce the feelings of anxiety that some people feel with high levels of THC

  • CBN contributes to more of a body "couchlock" effect

  • CBN promotes uninterrupted sleep

  • Too much CBN can make people feel groggy or sleepy
How to get high levels of CBN in your buds:

Maybe you guys should learn a thing or two about when to pull your plant at peak ripeness instead of trying to act like you know everything about growing.


  1. Highest level of THC is when many/most of the trichomes have turned milky white / cloudy (when viewed under a magnifier). Trichomes that are milky have the highest levels of THC are "ready to harvest" and contribute to more euphoric and psychoactive effects. At this point 50-70% of the pistils have darkened.
  2. The most "couchlock" or sedating effect happens towards the end of the pot harvest window, when the trichomes have become a darker color (usually amber/gold). The amber/yellow trichomes contribute to a 'body high' because some of the THC has converted into less psychoactive CBN, which has calming and anti-anxiety effects. With some strains, the trichomes will even turn red or purple! I like to harvest around when 20% have turned amber. At this point 70-90% of the pistils have darkened. Harvesting later will increase the sedating effects, but may also start reducing the psychoactive effects.
The pic you posted is like 80% amber, aka THC degraded into CBN.


And if your plants don't have any smell you are running weak genetics.
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So the only amber is cbn? I guess it just seems possible to me that there could be other Cannabinoids are amber in color.
 
RM3

RM3

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Yodaweed said:
Sorry I didn't read any of the garbage you spew, I don't have any faith in someone that says their weed doesn't smell when growing, then tells other people to pour boiling water on their roots and uses T5's to grow with, you are a joke. If I want to smoke schwag I'd let you know.
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Well here is the study, I didn't write it, perhaps others will find it interesting as well

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1997-01-01_1_page008.html

Your closed mind = your loss, are you one of those folks that thinks the earth is only 6000 years old ???
 
RM3

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DtsHs said:
So the only amber is cbn? I guess it just seems possible to me that there could be other Cannabinoids are amber in color.
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No, he is clueless in fact the actual study that was done that led to whole amber thing never used the word amber, it used the word brown,,,,,,

b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content
We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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DtsHs said:
So the only amber is cbn? I guess it just seems possible to me that there could be other Cannabinoids are amber in color.
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Amber means the THC that was in the tric heads have degraded somewhat into CBN, there are still other cannabinoids present.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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RM3 said:
No, he is clueless in fact the actual study that was done that led to whole amber thing never used the word amber, it used the word brown,,,,,,

b. Effect of gland age on cannabinoid content
We also examined cannabinoid content of stalked gland by age to measure the major cannabinoid components in both a fiber and drug strain (Table 2). Glands, viewed under a microscope, can be classified according to their secretory phases from the color of their contents. Glands most active in secretion (mature) are translucent in appearance, aged glands are yellow in appearance and senescent glands are brown in color. Mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid in both the fiber and drug strains. Senescent glands possessed low levels of cannabinoids. The concentration of some components, as CBD in the drug strains, may be so low that is was not detectable in our analysis; similarly, for THC and CBN in the fiber strain. It is unknown where the cannabinoids go during the aging process, but we suggest that it is possible they volatilize into the atmosphere along with the terpenes in glands, as noted later in this report. Nevertheless, this phenomenon of altered content in glands during aging is one that should be studied to gain a more complete understanding of the secretory process of cannabinoids in the cell.
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You must have reading comprehension problems that says mature glands are translucent and mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid. You own article says it I highlighted it for you, you are harvesting "aged" glands.
 
RM3

RM3

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Yodaweed said:
You must have reading comprehension problems that says mature glands are translucent and mature glands possessed the highest content of their major cannabinoid. You own article says it I highlighted it for you, you are harvesting "aged" glands.
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seems your definition of translucent is different from mine
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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RM3 said:
seems your definition of translucent is different from mine
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Yeah my definition of translucent is the actual real definition

trans·lu·cent
[transˈlo͞osnt, tranzˈlo͞osnt]
ADJECTIVE
  1. (of a substance) allowing light, but not detailed images, to pass through; semitransparent:
    "fry until the onions become translucent"
Aka you can still see through it, not amber you cannot see through it, clear and cloudy are translucent, amber is not.
According to your article amber is not translucent, it is "aged" and what you posted is "aged" aka Degraded THC ->CBN
 
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