Are there a lot of crap genetics in cannabis clubs?

I have recently become more serious about growing. I think I made a mistake by just going to a club and getting some clones. I have gone 3 rounds with these supposed "abusive og" plants from the club and keep ending up with 1 ounce plants with a small seed here and there... I have gone crazy trying to figure out what I am doing wrong.. or whats wrong with my grow room.

Today as I am preparing my room for the next (4th) round with what is supposed to be abusive og, I'm looking around thinking; I have seriously pimped out my room and everything in it trying to fix this fucking problem... I mean its really nice now... I have been tinkering in there for months getting it perfect... Everything from the reservoir, the nutrients, pots, lights, temperature humidity... but the only thing that hasn't changed is my yields... I get the same 1 ounce plants no matter how much I change the environment or feeding methods...

So I am starting to wonder if this is just the best yield these particular genetics can provide, and if I need to go on a hunt for the holy grail.

Thanks! plus rep for knowledgeable responses

Think about what you want to get from your pot in terms of Indica/Sativa, yield vs quality, flowering time and work from there. Find a strain that suits you and then go to Attitude or one of the other trusted Seed Banks to see what breeders offer the genetics you are looking for. Look up journals of people who have grown these specific seeds to make sure it's what you want. Order said seeds. You can't trust the genetics any other way really, unless it is from someone you really trust and isn't looking to make a "donation" from you. The same goes with getting clones in Medical states from craigslist, you never REALLY know what your getting till it grows out..and even then..

With multiple runs and improvements on environment and care returning no additional yield , it would lead one to the fact that the strain or pheno selection at hand is simply a very low yielding or your care is not at optimal levels , but I doubt that as you have enough skills to type unlike many of the new era growers .

With that said , I think you should never expect the average cut being shared to be worthwhile as there are many amateurs running around carelessly sharing shitty unproven Genetics as well as Pest and Disease .

I ll be honest and admit that most of cuts sold around the state are shit to begin with but there are some pot pimps with proven sluts galore .. I have ran about 60 cuts from Michigan the past few years and some were elites and the rest were at par and dank .

You can find alot of great genetics and just about anything if you know where to look .

you cant lead a horse to water etc

genetics may simply be small yields , most likely the way your growing , simply put if its in soil and grown nicely without swimming in shit load of food in cant absorb or doesnt need then an 8 week vegged plant will hit 5 oz on a poor yeilding strain


first pic is something that cropped up under a tree one day , it was an auto , zero food , zero care
second picture is interesting as in grown outdoors in the uk , i levelled the grass with old soil and a g/gold popped out , i hit it with the lawnmower when small hence the shape , it had zero direct light given its behind the fence and next to a tree , zero food care or attention ( except off the lawnmower ) and managed to make 2 oz of really good bud , go figure

id defo change the strain to say bubba kush , id also make a grow diary and ask questions of the members all the way until you have sussed it , if your already getting poor results then its worth a change for sure

moggggys said:

you cant lead a horse to water etc

genetics may simply be small yields , most likely the way your growing , simply put if its in soil and grown nicely without swimming in shit load of food in cant absorb or doesnt need then an 8 week vegged plant will hit 5 oz on a poor yeilding strain

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first pic is something that cropped up under a tree one day , it was an auto , zero food , zero care
second picture is interesting as in grown outdoors in the uk , i levelled the grass with old soil and a g/gold popped out , i hit it with the lawnmower when small hence the shape , it had zero direct light given its behind the fence and next to a tree , zero food care or attention ( except off the lawnmower ) and managed to make 2 oz of really good bud , go figure

id defo change the strain to say bubba kush , id also make a grow diary and ask questions of the members all the way until you have sussed it , if your already getting poor results then its worth a change for sure

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Well, the main thing I was looking for was light leaks cuz of the little seeds I keep seeing. But I'm sure I've got everything covered.. There is only a window and a door that could be leaking light.. the window is totally covered in heavy plastic and I have skirts on both sides of the door blocking the cracks.

So the next thing I thought was there is a nutrient problem problem, and I was trying to switch to organics at the time so at first I thought I just fucked the soil up.... But I went a whole round using only the fox farm nutrient regiment; vegged for 1 month, watered only when needed(when pots started getting light/ leaves started to droop slightly) fed them once a week or so, started at a low ppm and gradually raised it. I mean I dont want to go into every little detail... but I did it totally by the book you know? And I got the same result.

So are you saying that with a 1 month veg I should get at least 2 ounces even on a low yield strain? Cuz if thats the case then I guess I need to get back to the fucking drawing board and figure out what the fuck Im doing wrong

I wonder if Im not feeding them enough during veg? Is it important to start feeding them as soon as possible and start ramping it up for thick growth? Also I only use cfl's for veg. They are big bulbs but still lower wattage... is that not enough? I've read that you dont need a lot of light for veg

Well, the main thing I was looking for was light leaks cuz of the little seeds I keep seeing. But I'm sure I've got everything covered.. There is only a window and a door that could be leaking light.. the window is totally covered in heavy plastic and I have skirts on both sides of the door blocking the cracks.


never a good thing , once worked out then easily put right , will effect yield for sure but not to the extent your describing


So the next thing I thought was there is a nutrient problem problem, and I was trying to switch to organics at the time so at first I thought I just fucked the soil up.... But I went a whole round using only the fox farm nutrient regiment; vegged for 1 month, watered only when needed(when pots started getting light/ leaves started to droop slightly) fed them once a week or so, started at a low ppm and gradually raised it. I mean I dont want to go into every little detail... but I did it totally by the book you know? And I got the same result.

stick with simple food to start , being frank theres a world of bullshit out there on foods and endless amounts of people saying they use this that or the other , choose a simple food such as ionic grow and bloom , its a soft choice of food and does the job , nothing special on soil , simple compost mixed with 30% perlite , ppm at 500 raising to 1200 once in late flower , a boost of some sort to help things along at the 4th week of flower os so , it really can be this simple , oh and dont run them completely dry as this is stress to the poor things , little offen is better than a drench once a week , if your tendency is to over water ( stress and a lack of oxygen is a shit place to be ) then water from the base ( fill the drip tray allowing to dry out completely before refilling )

So are you saying that with a 1 month veg I should get at least 2 ounces even on a low yield strain? Cuz if thats the case then I guess I need to get back to the fucking drawing board and figure out what the fuck Im doing wrong

nope , 8 weeks so 2 months worth of veg , the plants will be mature by this point and a bloody good size to the point you should see 5 oz as a rule , a heavy yield will give 10-20 in the same time ,,,, can i ask what lights your using and distances and times involved , does make a massive difference

Getting clones or seeds from a Co-op, etc... is risky-- you are taking their word for it as to what the genetics are-- could be bagseed that they have no info about.

Imo-- you are better off getting legit seeds from a reputable breeder and start with a strain that is an easy grow- like Bubba Kush, White Rhino, etc...

AS for your current plants-- if they are clones- they are mature plants in mini-form... being the same genetic age as the plant they were cut from... feed them on a good schedule for the nutes you use... start at week 2 of veg and go from there-- they'll let you know if they want more!

Oh yes-- and listen to 'Moggy" he knows what he's doing!

shmoop said:

I wonder if Im not feeding them enough during veg? Is it important to start feeding them as soon as possible and start ramping it up for thick growth? Also I only use cfl's for veg. They are big bulbs but still lower wattage... is that not enough? I've read that you dont need a lot of light for veg

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in fresh soil theres food enough for 3 weeks for the average seed , after this then light feeds only , plants will only uptake so much food , they dont have a mouth to force it in so if someone is over ferting the plants are now swimming in a toxic cocktail which does them no favours at all , its easy to add a bit more food if the plant asks but real friggin hard to remove if over fed

as for light clf are shit , you need loads of the bastards to make it work or a decent sized bulb ( 300w ) which tend to be fragile and not as good as T5 , T5 are very very good with an excellent range of light over a decent distance

why brother man

isnt there a lot of crap errywhere

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Well I keep seeing bubba kush pop up... I know a dude who deals only in bubba kush... so I guess ill go that route

i have her sister in flower for three wks now peyote purple - along side a kosher kush
had fthree outlaw genetics turn male along side a tahoe alien bx2

but i get back up fightin when knocked down

my next grow 4 are in red cups as of today
and 5 ether just split did not show me growth
or has not done enyting at all just soaked two days ago pour off yesterday

Bubba Kush............................cali conn, the doc's (and a docs male being used for this run had pol for a minuet might do over) =3
Bub x Larry ...........................?
Bub x Cheese.........................CGG
Bub x Tahoe..........................?
Swing Kid .............................Riot- chem d x bub
Ak47 x Bub............................friend from cani coll
Bub x Sage Sour....................."
Mataro Blu x BubaYum Chemo .."
Bub x Couger .........................Bill

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To answer your question about genetics in clubs anybody with some healthy looking clones can sell them to a club and tell them it's whatever they want regardless of what it really is.