AP: The super spreaders behind top COVID-19 conspiracy theories

CANON_Grow

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A persons actions which can be controlled by that person are different than a persons actions which can't be controlled by that person, but sure it's nice to be mindful of others and their rights.

I prefer not to use the word pandemic to describe what happened. Survival rates of unvaxxed pretty much proved that.
I think of it as a manufactured crisis to create a "new normal" and , to enrich some people with either money, power over others or both.

I'm fine with you running your business as you see fit. d If you want a "mask only" policy and are not doing it because a dictatorial third party told you that you must, I'd respect that. I'd think it's silly, but I'd respect it.

But a dictatorial third party DID tell some people they can be open and some people they can't, which shows just whose vulnerable wallet "in the community" they were trying to protect.

Hospitals? I heard hospitals got extra money for coding everything as "covid". Doesnt look like hospitals were too worried about their stuffed wallets collapsing.
Interesting, you say the people have rights? Who gets to decide what rights anyone is entitled to? I'm genuinely interested in how you determine how rules and rights should be decided. Do you own any property?

You can choose not to use the word pandemic, but the literal definition of pandemic is:
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That's a different take on hospitals, not sure how that pertains to what I stated. I agree that when they were full of sick people and trying to prevent them from dying, there was A LOT of money flowing through them.
 

Rob Roy

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Interesting, you say the people have rights? Who gets to decide what rights anyone is entitled to? I'm genuinely interested in how you determine how rules and rights should be decided. Do you own any property?

You can choose not to use the word pandemic, but the literal definition of pandemic is:
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That's a different take on hospitals, not sure how that pertains to what I stated. I agree that when they were full of sick people and trying to prevent them from dying, there was A LOT of money flowing through them.
Not meaning to be rude, but some of your questions are straying from the thread title quite a bit. :p

I will say hospitals were incentivized with money to code people as "covid". PCR tests were a sham and as time goes on vaccine regret has intensified. That is evidenced by the declining rate of people who go back for more "gene therapy" boosters etc.

Eventually even the frightened and duped do wake up, well some of them anyway. I'm not interested in bludgeoning you with more and more evidence, it's becoming self evident anyway. I pledge to respect your choices, even when they aren't ones I'd make. I encourage you to do the same. See you around, if you survive.
 

hanimmal

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The transcript you quoted (hi lited) has another passage.

If a person heard the passage below, what might their take away be?

Maddow - "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to get more people.
That means the vaccines will get us to the end of this. If we just go fast enough to get the whole population vaccinated. It`s huge news."
Il have to go back and look over the rest you posted, but think that you are likely reading what it says incorrectly. AKA deciding what something means, when it does not mean that.

If someone finds out that they were throat deep in the air of someone who is spreading virus like mad, there are two outcomes right? Either they get the virus, or they don't. Simple right? If they don't get sick, they will not be spreading the virus will they? Now with that understanding of reality, reread what you posted and it is clearly true.

Im guessing someone pointed this out though already, I will catch up soon.

You might have meant to link to something else? Could be me, but I seem to be unable to see the same one as the transcript.

I'm familiar with the Maddow one, but everytime I tried, it seemed it was taken down. Not surprised.
Probably because it is bullshit man, same shit that happens with all those people who lost all their 'friends' on Facebook exactly when they purged all those foreign troll accounts.

That is why the actual videos of the full show/speech/etc are the way to go. Try to figure out the date/location of it and it is generally easy to find them after that. Figuring out the exact moment of the cherry picked clip that gets slickly edited for online trolls to push into people's screens are a bit harder to find, but when you do you will generally have the full context of what was said which is nice.

I can't believe a bunch of stoners are all about government control. WTF happened, :wall:
Nobody is 'controlling' shit man. That is just all that snowflake programming pretending like there ever was.

Not meaning to be rude, but some of your questions are straying from the thread title quite a bit. :p

I will say hospitals were incentivized with money to code people as "covid". PCR tests were a sham and as time goes on vaccine regret has intensified. That is evidenced by the declining rate of people who go back for more "gene therapy" boosters etc.

Eventually even the frightened and duped do wake up, well some of them anyway. I'm not interested in bludgeoning you with more and more evidence, it's becoming self evident anyway. I pledge to respect your choices, even when they aren't ones I'd make. I encourage you to do the same. See you around, if you survive.
'You say' huh.

lol yeah man, luckily though hospitals are generally ran by professionals with lots of checks and balances.

For the people who pretend like the virus is not a big deal or even real (or whatever conspiracy nonsense is pushed into their brains) it might be easy for them to overlook the excess costs of having to deal with a highly contingent patient. Thinking that they were just milking that excess funds is the anti-'establishment' trolling narrative.
 
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Rob Roy

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Il have to go back and look over the rest you posted, but think that you are likely reading what it says incorrectly. AKA deciding what something means, when it does not mean that.



If someone finds out that they were throat deep in the air of someone who is spreading virus like mad, there are two outcomes right? Either they get the virus, or they don't. Simple right? If they don't get sick, they will not be spreading the virus will they? Now with that understanding of reality, reread what you posted and it is clearly true.

Im guessing someone pointed this out though already, I will catch up soon.

Probably because it is bullshit man, same shit that happens with all those people who lost all their 'friends' on Facebook exactly when they purged all those foreign troll accounts.

That is why the actual videos of the full show/speech/etc are the way to go. Try to figure out the date/location of it and it is generally easy to find them after that. Figuring out the exact moment of the cherry picked clip that gets slickly edited for online trolls to push into people's screens are a bit harder to find, but when you do you will generally have the full context of what was said which is nice.


Nobody is 'controlling' shit man. That is just all that snowflake programming pretending like there ever was.


'You say' huh.

lol yeah man, luckily though hospitals are generally ran by professionals with lots of checks and balances.

For the people who pretend like the virus is not a big deal or even real (or whatever conspiracy nonsense is pushed into their brains) it might be easy for them to overlook the excess costs of having to deal with a highly contingent patient. Thinking that they were just milking that excess funds is the anti-'establishment' trolling narrative.
Foul air? Yes. I don't mean to be rude, I'm taking a breather from this thread and I wish you good health in your remaining time!

I'm fine with you making your own choices as long as you don't try to impose them on others. I wish you felt the same, maybe someday. People can change.
 

hanimmal

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Foul air? Yes. I don't mean to be rude, I'm taking a breather from this thread and I wish you good health in your remaining time!

I'm fine with you making your own choices as long as you don't try to impose them on others. I wish you felt the same, maybe someday. People can change.
Nobody is being forced to do anything with vaccines or masks or any of the other things here in America, so it is all good man.

Have a good day/night/whatever time it is there.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/01/03/covid-misinfo-damar-hamlin-collapse/Screen Shot 2023-01-03 at 6.56.52 PM.png
The baseless tweets began to circulate within minutes of Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s stunning collapse on the field during Monday Night Football.

Anti-vaxxers and right-wing provocateurs sought to link the injury that left Hamlin in critical condition and the coronavirus vaccine, without any evidence. Their claims built on years of coronavirus vaccine misinformation that has been seeded across social media.

“This is a tragic and all too familiar sight right now: Athletes dropping suddenly,” tweeted the pro-Trump activist Charlie Kirk, who leads the youth group Turning Point USA. His tweet was viewed nearly 10 million times as of Tuesday.

“Everybody knows what happened to Damar Hamlin because it's happened to too many athletes around the world since COVID vaccination was required in sports,” said former Newsmax correspondent Emerald Robinson, in a tweet that was viewed more than 2 million times and visible under the #DamarHamlin hashtag trending in the United States.

Yet as of Tuesday evening, little information was known about the cause of Hamlin’s collapse. Nor was it known if Hamlin had been vaccinated against covid, though the NFL previously has said nearly 95 percent of players are vaccinated. The Bills announced on Tuesday that Hamlin had suffered a cardiac arrest, and two cardiologists told The Post that a blow to Hamlin’s chest may have thrown his heart out off rhythm, disrupting blood flow to the brain. The doctors said they could only speculate after watching video footage of the play.

The tweets’ broad and rapid reach, however, underscores how baseless claims related to the coronavirus can ricochet across Twitter with little friction since new owner Elon Musk rolled back the company’s policy against covid misinformation in November. The company has also restored the accounts of many previously suspended individuals, including multiple high-profile antivaxxers. The moves are indicative of Musk’s broader efforts to undo years of work to prevent the spread of falsehoods on Twitter in favor of a “free speech” agenda.

Twitter ends its ban on covid misinformation

Public health experts and social media researchers warned that the tweets risk creating more fears about covid vaccinations at a time when cases continue to spread in the United States, nearly three years after the pandemic began.

Naomi Smith, a sociologist at Federation University Australia who has researched covid misinformation, said such tweets risk planting “seeds of doubt” at a time when medical professionals are urging the public to obtain booster shots.

Covid misinformation “does actually kill people who take it seriously,” she said in an interview. “It is a problem that has a ripple effect in society.”

The viral tweets were sent as millions of Americans were looking for answers about Hamlin’s condition with news broadcasters and sports commentators having little immediate information about the player’s condition.
The information vacuum created a perfect storm for anti-vaxxers, who had already been priming people to believe sudden deaths or sudden collapses could be linked to vaccinations, social media experts say.

How ESPN viewers learned of Damar Hamlin’s injury

Just before Twitter rolled back its covid misinformation policy in November, a more than hour-long video was released on the video service Rumble that promotes a debunked claim that the coronavirus vaccine is causing people to die. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s Children’s Health Defense promoted the film this winter, but its creators generated newfound attention by seizing on the viral footage of Hamlin collapsing.

“It just really fits in with the narrative that was already circulating that any collapse of a person may be vaccine related, no matter lack of evidence,” said John Gregory, health editor of Newsguard, a company that analyzes misinformation.

The film’s Twitter account quickly tweeted to its more than 200,000 followers, linking Hamlin’s collapse to the vaccine.

“Prior to 2021, Athletes collapsing on the field was NOT a normal event,” the film’s account tweeted, along with footage of Hamlin hitting the field. “This is becoming an undeniable (and an extremely concerning) pattern.” The tweet also included a series of syringe emoji.

Brian Castrucci, head of the de Beaumont Foundation, which advocates for public health, said he watched in horror at the speed at which Hamlin’s devastating injury was weaponized by that account and other anti-vaccine hashtags.

“This is the modern day equivalent of a snake oil salesman,” Castrucci said of the film’s promoters and others.
“The problem is the snake oil salesman had to go town to town. They couldn’t reach millions of people with one tweet.”

Musk’s ‘free speech’ agenda dismantles safety work at Twitter, insiders say

Under Twitter’s previous leadership, the tweet with the syringes likely would have been labeled with additional context, said a former company employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss content moderation at the company. But on Tuesday, the tweet appeared unlabeled and garnered more than a million views.

Twitter’s enforcement of its covid misinformation policies was imperfect and widely criticized, both by Democrats, who said the company hadn’t done enough to rein in falsehoods, and conservatives, who warned the company had gone too far. The former Twitter employee said speculative tweets would have been “tricky” for Twitter’s Trust and Safety team to handle because they’re often vague and not making claims that definitively could be said to be false.

But researchers say under Musk, it’s now much easier to find covid misinformation than it was before, and there are fewer barriers to its spread.

“It’s right at the top of the pile,” Smith, the sociologist, said, referring to people’s timelines. “Previously, before Musk rolled back misinformation policies, these things would have been algorithmically deplatformed or made harder to find.”

Twitter’s decision to roll back its policies could have implications for other social networks as well. Smith warned that the false tweets would likely not remain confined to Twitter, as people would likely screenshot and then share them in more private channels — including messages and Facebook groups.

“It becomes invisible to you,” she said. “These things have a life beyond their platform.”
 

Drop That Sound

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Thank you for spreading awareness.. about the unprecedented amount of athletes keeling over with heart attacks on the fields, and mostly since the experimental shots rolled out too. Can you blame people for pointing out obvious patterns? Can you blame me for wondering when his last booster shot was? When was it btw? NM, I hope he's all good.
 

hanimmal

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Thank you for spreading awareness..
Sure making sure that there is access to some of the counter into to whatever stupid shit is currently being used as a convenient troll for death cultists to use to spread their dangerous lies, is what I do.


about the unprecedented amount of athletes keeling over with heart attacks on the fields, and mostly since the experimental shots rolled out too.
You mean the shot that is a direct response to the extremely dangerous highly contagious virus that has blown through our society?

The virus that causes heart damage?

You have to be a special kind of gullible (or just disingenuous AF) to still be selling the death cult propaganda anymore. The data is out, vaccines are beneficial.

Can you blame people for pointing out obvious patterns? Can you blame me for wondering when his last booster shot was? When was it btw? NM, I hope he's all good.
lmao you want a 'obvious pattern' that is actually based in reality and not some spammed death cult illusion.

I would point out that there is a much simpler explanation.

If you live in a country that football doesn't mean soccer, you might have seen how hits in the NFL have been done historically.

(NFL blocked all theirs from being played on here)
You know all those concussions that we are finding out actually have real bad problems in the long run? Well the NFL made some major changes to how players are allowed to hit.

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Here is a good read if you are curious outside of the potential benefit for lying spam trolls :

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/9/6/17773282/nfl-helmet-rule-explained-rulebook-penalty-replay
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And what does this mean?

Well, if you think about the collision occurring, leading with head/shoulders keeps all those soft inner organs protected. And thinking on it a couple seconds longer, I bet we start seeing more extremely injuries (hand arms/shoulders kind of thing from not being able to smoke people with helmut anymore) too. I think it makes sense that the injuries are now going to be coming from a different part of the body (no longer the head).

And then you get to this poor guy. Who took a direct hit from a full speed 200+ athlete right on his heart.

 

CANON_Grow

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It is a very weird fascination to always ask about vaccination status directly after any injury or death. They totally ignore the fact you are at substantially higher risk for heart issues after exposure to covid unvaccinated vs vaccinated. I haven't seen anyone(that asks about vax status) ask if that person had covid in the past year. I have no issues with people asking questions because they are scared, but repeatedly asking the same question while not willing to accept any answer but the one they seek has become tiresome. The lack of empathy that asking about vax status while an event is still occurring or if those are the first words they say when hearing about an incident, sickening.
 

cannabineer

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It is a very weird fascination to always ask about vaccination status directly after any injury or death. They totally ignore the fact you are at substantially higher risk for heart issues after exposure to covid unvaccinated vs vaccinated. I haven't seen anyone(that asks about vax status) ask if that person had covid in the past year. I have no issues with people asking questions because they are scared, but repeatedly asking the same question while not willing to accept any answer but the one they seek has become tiresome. The lack of empathy that asking about vax status while an event is still occurring or if those are the first words they say when hearing about an incident, sickening.
They are so absorbed in building confirmation bias that basic decency goes by the wayside.
 

jimihendrix1

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Another athlete that "died suddenly" yesterday.

Not saying this guy did, or didnt use steroids. But the quest for getting bigger, faster and stronger, has a large percentage of athletes choosing to engage in performance enhancing drugs.
They are well known to cause cardiovascular trouble. And if you follow IFBB pro bodybuilding, you will see a shitload of athletes dying from steroid abuse in the last 10 years. These guys are using enormous amounts of Testosterone, Growth Hormone, and Insulin, along with Diuretics.
Ever see the distended guts on these guys in the last 10-20 years? This is because of growth hormone. GH also makes your internal organs grow, giving these guys distended bellies. You never saw this in the early 90s, and before.
Ronnie Coleman was probably the first to start showing this bloated condition. He had already won the Mr Olympia several times at a bodyweight under 260lbs, and 5f 10in.. And its said when he started using growth hormone, testosterone, and insulin, his contest bodyweight sky rocketed to 288lbs at contest time. A 30lbs gain in one year, and after he had already been lifting weights for 25 years. He was already knocking on his genetic potential, and when he started using these substances his bodyweight exploded. Though he is still alive, and has no cardiac problems I know of, though hes had multiple surgeries on his back, and can barely walk.

Its also proven that more people have died in Red states, than Blue states. And even in Blue states, that have Red regions, the Red regions have a higher covid death rate.
 

hanimmal

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Another athlete that "died suddenly" yesterday.
Is this an update for the conspiracy minded to use as a example to act like the Death Cultist trolls have anything more than their scared feels to go off of?

Because shocker people do pass away, even vaccinated people, it is not a magic spell or anything.

I have no doubt trolls will use this and anyone else with even a tiny bit of fame that died to sell their dangerous lies. Because they are shitty people, or just desperate people who are willing to use the suffering of others to pay their rent.
 

hanimmal

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Got to love the pages spammed in the death cult thread. One of my favorites was the comparison in lives saves from 'lockdowns' vs horse dewormer.

Classic.

Anyways, it looks like that particular snake oil narrative is being propagated around online and was picked up by the AP debunkers.

https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-bills-health-deer-tucker-carlson-ap-fact-check-c0744bfcd7bbb19775dc161620233142
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Claims baselessly link COVID vaccines to athlete deaths

CLAIM: Two researchers found that more than 1,500 athletes have suffered cardiac arrest since COVID-19 vaccinations began, compared to a previous average of 29 athletes per year, suggesting the vaccines are causing a dramatic rise in such cardiac issues.

THE FACTS: The researchers cited a number from a blog that lists news stories about recent deaths and medical emergencies among people of all ages, from all over the world — some of which were attributed to other causes.

Following Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin’s cardiac arrest during a game Monday, social media posts and Fox News gave air to a long-circulating and faulty narrative that COVID-19 vaccines are causing a dramatic increase in athlete deaths.
“Cardiologist Peter McCullough and researcher Panagis Polykretis looked into this trend in Europe, European sports leagues.
They found that prior to COVID and the COVID-19 vaccines there were roughly 29 cardiac arrests in those European sports leagues per year,” Fox’s Tucker Carlson claimed in a segment Tuesday. “Since the vax campaign began, there have been more than 1,500 total cardiac arrests in those leagues and two-thirds of those were fatal.”

Carlson was in fact referencing a letter, not a rigorous study, that McCullough and Polykretis published in a Scandinavian journal in late 2022. And that letter simply cites the blog goodsciencing.com. The blog’s list is a compilation of news reports about recent deaths and medical emergencies, and it includes cases not reported to be spurred by cardiac arrest: Some deaths, for example, were reportedly from cancer.

The list also includes incidents from around the world and among people of all ages — including some in their 70s and 80s — not just athletes in “European sports leagues,” as Carlson claimed.

“It’s not real research,” Dr. Matthew Martinez, director of sports cardiology at Atlantic Health System in Morristown Medical Center, told the AP. “Anybody can write a letter to the editor and then quote an article that has no academic rigor.” Dr. Jonathan Kim, chief of sports cardiology at Emory University School of Medicine, similarly said of the blog post: “It’s just shocking to use that as a citation.” “It’s scientific garbage, you can’t just pull a bunch of media reports,” he added.

The letter by McCullough and Polykretis goes on to compare the blog’s questionable “1,598” figure of recent incidents to a 2006 study that found 1,101 reports of sudden cardiac death in athletes over a 38-year period, or an average of 29 per year. That analysis, however, reviewed literature specifically for reports of sudden cardiac death among athletes under the age of 35. The study also noted that its findings were limited because cases were likely underestimated.”

Dr. Neel Chokshi, medical director of Penn Medicine’s Sports Cardiology and Fitness Program, said it would be “inaccurate” to make conclusions by comparing the 2006 study and the blog’s figures. “The data presented here does not support the notion that vaccines have caused an increase in sudden death,” he said. The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna do carry a rare risk of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart, though experts and officials say the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. Cardiologists have told the AP that they have not observed the dramatic increase in sudden cardiac arrest as alleged on social media. McCullough and Fox News did not return requests for comment.


COVID treatments weren’t suppressed to OK vaccines’ emergency use

CLAIM: Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were suppressed as COVID-19 treatments because the vaccines couldn’t receive emergency use authorization if such treatments were available.

THE FACTS: There is nothing in federal law or regulation that prohibits a preventative measure such as a vaccine from being authorized for emergency use because a treatment is available, experts and officials say.

Social media users are sharing a conspiracy theory that posits that the drugs hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were withheld as COVID-19 treatments by officials in order to greenlight vaccines under emergency use authorization. That’s wrong, experts and officials told the AP.

The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson were all initially made available under emergency use authorization by the Food and Drug Administration — though the Pfizer and Moderna shots were later fully approved for certain people. An emergency use authorization, the FDA explains, allows the use of unapproved medical products — or the unapproved uses of approved medical products — in emergency situations in which “there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.” But the FDA said in a statement that an “available treatment for COVID-19 does not preclude the FDA from authorizing a vaccine to prevent COVID-19.”

Likewise, Ana Santos Rutschman, a law professor at Villanova University with expertise in vaccine law and policy, said there is nothing in federal law or FDA regulation indicating that the existence of a treatment for a particular disease means that an emergency use authorization can’t be issued for a preventative measure such as a vaccine. “These are two separate types of drugs and tools in the public health toolkit and there may be a need for one of these products or for both of them under an EUA situation,” she said in an email. The FDA also had approved the drug remdesivir for use in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in October 2020 — two months before the agency authorized the first COVID-19 vaccine for emergency use. In addition, the agency had issued an emergency use authorization for convalescent plasma to treat hospitalized COVID-19 patients before the vaccines were available, noted Dr. Aaron Kesselheim, a Harvard Medical School professor and expert on regulation.

Hydroxychloroquine was in fact granted emergency use authorization for COVID-19 in 2020, too.

The anti-malaria drug was authorized to be used for certain hospitalized COVID-19 patients, but the FDA revoked that authorization in June 2020, saying emerging data suggested it was “unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19 for the authorized uses in the EUA.”

Current COVID-19 treatment guidelines from the National Institutes of Health recommend against the use of ivermectin for treating the disease, except in clinical trials, because studies to date have not demonstrated efficacy for the anti-parasitic drug.
 

harleyhawg666

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You do realize that judges can send you to jail for all sorts of shit while in their courtroom, right? If you tell a judge you feel like they're being an asshole that you're ending up in jail, even with the first amendment. You can even be sent to jail for refusing to speak.
That is why the American people need to go to war with these communists once and for all and kick them out of our country. Control freaks that run over American human rights should be dealt with before they try to pull this Bolshevik/Commie stuff again. I just read today that the Commie/Bolshevik/Freemasons that run the media are finally are admitting that the vaxxx was causing all kinds of health problems. I am glad I wasn't stupid enough and fall to commie peer pressure to take it. The American People need to go to war against these types and just fight it out to the death.
 

Fogdog

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That is why the American people need to go to war with these communists once and for all and kick them out of our country. Control freaks that run over American human rights should be dealt with before they try to pull this Bolshevik/Commie stuff again. I just read today that the Commie/Bolshevik/Freemasons that run the media are finally are admitting that the vaxxx was causing all kinds of health problems. I am glad I wasn't stupid enough and fall to commie peer pressure to take it. The American People need to go to war against these types and just fight it out to the death.
You mean fascists, not communists, right?
 
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