yea even my shit pheno was great smelling herbage.... it just seems like anything involving greenhouse seeds seems to be shit as far as growing... I havent had the best luck with DNA either but still better then greenhouse which seems like you need to grow out 100 seeds to get a keeper pheno... I'm back on the "clone only" boat for the most part... Sour Grapes, Headband, Gods Gift, Double Dawg, ect... but I do have some of Subs gear going in seed form... Deep Purple, Querkle, JillyBean, KaBoom.... I got DNA's Chocolope is very very tasty but my pheno is a low yielder that grows very strange.