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irieie said:

lol on the degree, i am getting one now in non profit leadership management.... growers with degrees usually know everything i have said above.
i am not worried about quality, where there is a demand there will be those looking to supply it is a fool proof motivating factor which drives economic transaction. if the dispensaries are not growing quality then they will either change and end up paying more to retain talent or they will not last.

cotton does not wholesale for 3k a pound. the money has to go somewhere and if it is not going to the grower it is going to the middle men fucks.

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Middleman being dispensaries. Yeah the middleman make 100% profit for doing nothing

FUCKING MIDDLEMAN, possibly they did make the investment to win a lottery ticket, OK.
But without any product they dont have a business and w/o producing product they are not making their investment worthwhile.

Ok because I do kinda like a few of you on this forum and a few of you others are growing on me i'll say this. I'm very involved in this industry and very much involved with helping a handful of Dispensaries open. My job was not to be a grower (sorry to have mislead you. I grow for my personal patients only), my job is supply chain management and helping to find good staff. I also have 3 Dispensaries opening within my group.

My biggest tip for you all is thus, no one cares how great your herb is. All they care about is how much of it you can grow and how efficiently you can grow it. I've interviewed a handful of growers in the past 2 months. Some came in with photos of buds, some came in with detailed graphs and diagrams for grow room design and a proforma and estimations. The guys that came in with the photos of buds, I like them, they definitely had the best quality. The other guys, well they were the guys for the job.

Hope this helps. Be the other guy if you are really looking for a career.

And just for the record, I hope to work with a couple of you down the road once these lawsuits get hammered out

I recently talked to a guy that has 3 licenses and he said the owners of the dispensary are the ones that have all the liability. He said the feds are not going to go after his employess, just him. I disagreed, but he argued with me about it so I dropped it.

As far as pay goes, any grower worth a shit can produce enough bud to make 50k to 60k a year from home.
With that being said, why grow for someone else who isnt going to pay you at least 80k for producing 10lbs a month?
If I can produce 2lbs a month at home that's 24lbs a year. How much does 24lbs go for? Even at 2k a lb thats 48k.

in this industry especially at this moment, the bottom line is the medicine, if you dont have it then you are selling false hopes and broken promises and you should try and go be a parasite in another industry.

Chronicseeker said:

FUCKING MIDDLEMAN, possibly they did make the investment to win a lottery ticket, OK.
But without any product they dont have a business and w/o producing product they are not making their investment worthwhile.

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I'm telling you my old dude who was basically a middle man was living pretty well.. The dude was driving a luxury vehicle, shopped at nordstrom , had a membership to massage places, gyms.. He lived very well and all he did was serve a few people dank...

Big boy cultivators are gonna ask a LOT more than 50 k to cultivate, Not only are they providing a revenue stream of 20 - 50 X that amount, but they also create differentiable product that sets them apart from the rest. I've heard numbers thrown around from 30k - 1 + million for dispensary cultivation.

Any grower worth their weight knows you could grow 50 k worth of herb in an undersized bedroom, which is much easier and far less risky than taking care of hundreds of plants in a 5000 + sq. ft grow.

finally a thread we all agree upon lol. we all know whats up.

No samples....JK
Some of the big metro producers (CFCC) believe quality is what will drive the patients esp. if you can throw a baseball into the next CHAA.
Maybe not the case for the rural owners..
First and foremost I agree, right now its going to be about quantity but quality will prevail as the program grows.

There is a CO group asking 1.6 mil to produce, lol..

KAL EL said:

I recently talked to a guy that has 3 licenses and he said the owners of the dispensary are the ones that have all the liability. He said the feds are not going to go after his employess, just him. I disagreed, but he argued with me about it so I dropped it.

As far as pay goes, any grower worth a shit can produce enough bud to make 50k to 60k a year from home.
With that being said, why grow for someone else who isnt going to pay you at least 80k for producing 10lbs a month?
If I can produce 2lbs a month at home that's 24lbs a year. How much does 24lbs go for? Even at 2k a lb thats 48k.

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The only issue is that people keep thinking a Dispensary will require 10lbs a month. If that is all your grower can turn out in a 5000sf facility he would need to be replaced quite quickly. A busy dispensary in a busy CHAA will go through 15lb week easily.

Chronicseeker said:

No samples....JK
Some of the big metro producers (CFCC) believe quality is what will drive the patients esp. if you can throw a baseball into the next CHAA.
Maybe not the case for the rural owners..
First and foremost I agree, right now its going to be about quantity but quality will prevail as the program grows.

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then what the fuck is CFCC doing their shit is far from quality. you can talk the talk...

Honestly even 80K for that much time work / effort / risk isn't worth it in my opinion, my price point is significantly higher. This is a 7 day a week job here, and your ass is on the line in more ways than one.

where are all these figures coming from? something like well there are 31k patients and each patient needs 5 ounces a month and there are 99 dispensaries then we will need x amount per disoensary. too many variables in this equation for anyone to get an accurate projection of how much product is needed. this is a brand new market in a brand new area. there is no tlling what the actual demand will be. especially since a lot of the supply is untrackable from out of state

irieie said:

then what the fuck is CFCC doing their shit is far from quality. you can talk the talk...

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CFCC is basically a byproduct of overzealous spending , stupidity, and compassion. As weird as this sounds.

They spent too much on facilities they weren't able to utilize because of all the delay in the program and were forced into a different play. They decided to do a stupid idea of letting anyone grow in their facility, which came with problems of many many types. They were also stupid in that whoever set up their facility was an amateur, and they got duped by him.

However, they showed compassion, in continuing to operate despite bleeding money and not being a profitable design, and stick to the line that they would like to provide quality meds to others, but have to abide by the rules of their facility in the meantime. One of their rules I hear is that if a plant is dying you can't water it unless it is your plant, hence the fact a lot of product never makes it out of there.

irieie said:

where are all these figures coming from? something like well there are 31k patients and each patient needs 5 ounces a month and there are 99 dispensaries then we will need x amount per disoensary. too many variables in this equation for anyone to get an accurate projection of how much product is needed. this is a brand new market in a brand new area. there is no tlling what the actual demand will be. especially since a lot of the supply is untrackable from out of state

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Some folks have been running very busy Collectives over the past couple years as a way of gauging where the numbers are. Tempe for example, will easily need 15lbs a week. Make it 20-30 once the other illegal collectives are shut down.

irieie said:

where are all these figures coming from? something like well there are 31k patients and each patient needs 5 ounces a month and there are 99 dispensaries then we will need x amount per disoensary. too many variables in this equation for anyone to get an accurate projection of how much product is needed. this is a brand new market in a brand new area. there is no tlling what the actual demand will be. especially since a lot of the supply is untrackable from out of state

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Your right, but no one is taking the 5 ounces per month thing, they are assuming patients are only consuming 1 - 1.5 ounces a month on average... furthermore there is the potential that your dispensary will have more demand based on location / meds. You can drive a few miles and go to a better dispensary if you don't like the one you are currently going to. So, these numbers are all ballpark but based on a few things that have occured in other mmj states.

irieie said:

then what the fuck is CFCC doing their shit is far from quality. you can talk the talk...

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They have expressed that now the focus is the caregiver model not quality. But they did say when they opened as a dispensary quality would be first and foremost. Some guy wearing a CFCC shirt who knew very little was saying all it takes him is a quick trip to cali, of course....

1337hacker said:

Honestly even 80K for that much time work / effort / risk isn't worth it in my opinion, my price point is significantly higher. This is a 7 day a week job here, and your ass is on the line in more ways than one.

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The people who work for pennies cannot do a simple math equation....
I would not suggest leaving a current situation for anything MMJ unless there was 1.5x increase in salary.
RISK VS REWARD...

Underground is the way to be. Dispensaries are going to take advantage of good growers. Once they get what they want there will be no room for these overpaid growers. IMO dispensaries are only in it for the potential profit, not for the medicinal benefits cannabis can offer. I met with a investor who was paying his old grower 250k a year...and his product was far from "top shelf"

i think mr gaines sons may have helped set up their grows. they run the families dispensaries in colo. as far as using the clubs to gauge the market there are many flaws in this i have thought about in the past. primarily the level of competition is not what it will be when dispensaries open, they will be farther apart but there will be more of them overall, these two factors could go either way. i understand the logic used by those trying to estimate what demand will be, but in my conclusions the market is so grey right now that i dont think anyone can know for sure. quality as well will play a very large role in demand and that is a crap shoot for projections given that most of the medicine is not produced in state. to me there are too many variables and not enough similarities to be able to extrapolate future projections in an industry that is still in the infant stages of getting off the ground. also from the demand aspect, i am starting to wonder about the money available to the industry. ther is money there but i am not sure if anyone knows how much. right now we should be focusing on growing the card carrying population of this state. i have noticed that since the state has started its negative propaganda campaign, patients numbers have remained stagnant compared to the increases we saw before the lottery.