American Wildfires

Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Fogdog said:
I was about to brag about how much hotter it is elsewhere but, no, Oregon's mid 90's at the moment is pretty much in step with most of the south and west.

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I feel cheated.

It's going to be a bad wildfire season. It is already.
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It's 100 right now at my house, it's been triple digits every day here since Thursday(Friday it was 104). I live in the Sierra Nevada's it's usually mid-eighties at most this time of year here.
 
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mooray

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Definitely in the fire zone. We're in the same boat. My worry is that we don't really have a backup in place. Pack up people and pets and go toooooo...? No idea. Camp somewhere north of Reno maybe.
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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mooray said:
Definitely in the fire zone. We're in the same boat. My worry is that we don't really have a backup in place. Pack up people and pets and go toooooo...? No idea. Camp somewhere north of Reno maybe.
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Yeah, I would probably have to do the same. Hey, at least if everything burns down we could meet up at the Black Rock desert and smoke a joint or seven. Small consolation I know but you gotta look at the bright side right?
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Funkentelechy said:
It's 100 right now at my house, it's been triple digits every day here since Thursday(Friday it was 104). I live in the Sierra Nevada's it's usually mid-eighties at most this time of year here.
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Wow I couldn’t imagine :(. It’s gets up to mid 80’s here but the humidity is 85-90% :(. The fear of fire would be overwhelming :(.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Funkentelechy said:
Calculating how much water is needed is the easy part, that's not the challenge. What I'm saying is that you can not use drip line to water the forests of the west. A computer model will not help you physically run drip line across an area that is so vast, the plastic alone would make it an environmental disaster, not to mention the CO2 produced to pump that volume of water over that much land, even if it were possible which it's not.

After the disaster that occurred in Paradise California https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/camp-fire-by-the-numbers/where 85 people lost their lives, President Trump visited the area where he then referred to the town as "pleasure" instead of Paradise,(I mean 85 people were burned alive there, why bother getting the name correct right?) and said that we need to "rake the forest", "like Finland". This comment was met with disbelief and general mockery from Americans and Fins, as well as confusing the president of Finland as they do not rake their forests.
Now to be fair, leaves, needles, and general forest duff is very flammable, and raking it up and disposing of it eliminates that potential for fire danger in the area that it has been raked from, we should all be raking around our properties, but the reason Trump's comments were mocked is that his comments were completely tone-deaf due to a total lack of understanding of the vastness of the area he was proposing should be raked. It's simply not possible to rake the west, it's way, way, too big.
Proposing to water the forest is, in a similar vein, tone-deaf. It is not possible, computer modeling has nothing to do with the non-viability of this idea.
Sorry(truly) not trying to compare your ideas with Trump in any way, just an interesting example of when someone has an idea based on a good concept but not enough info to know that it is literally not possible to apply this concept in actionable form.
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lmao, I guess you missed all the times I said 'Bro-science'.

I do call bullshit though on your saying that it would be 'impossible' to set up key areas that we could use to plug in to get water throughout the forests though. Not that it matters because it was to a point someone else was making about glaciers and snow melt. But I guess that got lost. As did the fact that this is technology that we are already using.

And if nothing else it would be far easier than actually trying to 'rake forests' where you are working to remove something that is everywhere and is helping add to the biodiversity of the forests.

But if you want to take what I am saying and extrapolate that out to the most stypid shit without actually thinking about what I am saying and just sticking to the same bullshit that people are saying about current desalination methods and not a large scale like I am with longer systems and far less electricity and chemicals, that is on you.

The comparing it to Trump's dumbs hit statement was a nice touch though.

Whatever happens though, I wish you all the best. Fire is scary shit, and I am very happy to be living in Michigan.
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Your legally not allowed to smoke outside where I live right now because of fire danger. The only places that you are legally allowed to smoke are in your car or in your house at the moment. This is not an anti-tobacco thing, we don't have a cigarette ban where I live, it's very rural. Scarry
 
xtsho

xtsho

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When I say the solution isn't spending money I was referring to billion dollar desalination plants.

Money will of course have to be spent but that money would be better used towards things like more efficient irrigation for agriculture which can lose 40% of the water due to poor irrigation methods and other investments in water conservation.
Fogdog said:
I was about to brag about how much hotter it is elsewhere but, no, Oregon's mid 90's at the moment is pretty much in step with most of the south and west.

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I feel cheated.

It's going to be a bad wildfire season. It is already.
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It's like 95° right now and about 28% humidity which helps some instead of it being high humidity and all muggy. But at least we get some cooling down at night. Going to be mid 80's for the rest of the week and then it jumps up into the 100's this weekend. There isn't any rain anywhere in the west in the near forecast.

I always reference Oregon because I live here but I'm well aware that Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Washington, Idaho, Montana, etc... are all in the same boat. I don't even need to mention California. That's a given. We are seriously screwed. This is going to be hell.
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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Budley Doright said:
Yes but so is an oven and it would still suck lol. I’ve never lived in a dry climate but went to Alberta a few times in the early winter and all I heard was it’s a dry cold ....... it’s still fucking cold lol.
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I have a hard time in high humidity. One time I went to Maui and was freaking out, I just couldn't get dry.
 
Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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hanimmal said:
lmao, I guess you missed all the times I said 'Bro-science'.

I do call bullshit though on your saying that it would be 'impossible' to set up key areas that we could use to plug in to get water throughout the forests though. Not that it matters because it was to a point someone else was making about glaciers and snow melt. But I guess that got lost. As did the fact that this is technology that we are already using.

And if nothing else it would be far easier than actually trying to 'rake forests' where you are working to remove something that is everywhere and is helping add to the biodiversity of the forests.

But if you want to take what I am saying and extrapolate that out to the most stypid shit without actually thinking about what I am saying and just sticking to the same bullshit that people are saying about current desalination methods and not a large scale like I am with longer systems and far less electricity and chemicals, that is on you.

The comparing it to Trump's dumbs hit statement was a nice touch though.

Whatever happens though, I wish you all the best. Fire is scary shit, and I am very happy to be living in Michigan.
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Maybe I've not communicated my position well, I am genuinely not trying to be insulting or combative.

I think more people need to be thinking about solutions, I think that's awesome that you are, and it's been a fun conversation. What I am attempting to put across is that watering all of the vulnerable forests of the west is not physically possible, it is too large an area, completely independent of the viability or non-viability of desalinization. If you are talking about something else then I guess I'm confused.

I totally agree with you that to rake all of the forests would be detrimental to the biodiversity of the forest and bad for the soil food web.
But, that's not why people felt that his comment was tone-deaf, most people don't understand the role of composting matter and humus in the forest. The reason people felt that it was a silly comment is because the forests of the west are way too large for raking to be employed on a large enough scale to be an effective solution to fire danger in the west. And likewise, the forests of the west are too large to water them with drip irrigation. I felt like you were not able to hear what I was saying in that regard, it's not about technology or desalinization, it's about scale. It's totally okay if you disagree with me on that, I just wanted to make sure you understood what part of your proposal I felt was impractical.

You may as well propose improving the beach by washing each individual grain of sand, sure it could be calculated and you could create a computer mockup that could produce a theoretical result, but...yeah...it's not gonna happen in the real world.
You are thinking of solutions, that's more than most people can be bothered with. I think for the most part we're on the same page, cheers.

If I have misunderstood what you were trying to get across, then I apologize.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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mooray said:
Nearly ten years ago. Was trying to see how they're doing now. The below was from 2019, sounds like they've just been getting by...

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Our Water: Robert Lee facing water overage fees

The city of Robert Lee is facing a potential rate increase that officials feel they have no choice but to pass on to residents.
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The town of Robert Lee huh...well...thats something.
 
Don't Bogart

Don't Bogart

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hanimmal said:
Leave it up to white men to not think about the problems that arise when you have one 'kind' of thing and don't introduce a natural variety.

Im guessing satalite imaging and AI would be able to get a really nice planting layout based on satellite images of old growth forests.
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Your statement could be considered an oxymoron. White men generally make up the populous of those who deal with satellite imaging and AI.
 
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